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[mukto-mona] Narendra Modi's 'Hindu nationalist' posters should be banned, says Samajwadi Party



Narendra Modi's 'Hindu nationalist' posters should be banned, says Samajwadi Party


Narendra Modi's 'Hindu nationalist' posters should be banned, says Samajwadi Party
MumbaiDays after the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in Mumbai put up nearly 50 posters ofNarendra Modi, headlining his "I am a Hindu Nationalist" quote, a petition has asked for Mr Modi to be barred from elections, on grounds that the posters are "communal and divisive."

Samajwadi Party leader Abu Azmi today said he has offered this argument in letters to both the Election Commission and the Chief Justice of the Bombay High Court, and asked for a ban on the posters.

Earlier this month, in a controversial interview where he used an analogy of a puppy being run over to that of the 2002 communal riots in his state, Mr Modi, widely seen as the BJP's likely candidate for prime minister, had said, "I am nationalist. I'm patriotic. Nothing is wrong. I am born Hindu. Nothing is wrong. So I'm a Hindu nationalist." (Watch)

"Such banners divide communities, how can they come from a person who wants to be Prime Minister?" asked Mr Azmi.

But the Election Commission has said today it cannot act on the complaint unless an election is underway in Maharashtra.

The Mumbai BJP denied any attempt to polarise voters. "We have done the campaign of Rajnathji, Advaniji and now Modiji. We will take all our leaders to voters. That is my work and that is what we will do. Governance and development is a key issue and we will campaign on that also," Mumbai BJP president Ashish Shelar had said when the posters were put up.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/narendra-modi-s-hindu-nationalist-posters-should-be-banned-says-samajwadi-party-396494




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[mukto-mona] On Hiroshima day



A tribute on Hiroshima day, although belated

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[mukto-mona] Should Hindu Nationalist Narendra Modi Be Allowed a U.S. Visa?



Should Hindu Nationalist Narendra Modi Be Allowed a U.S. Visa?

Jul 31, 2013 4:45 AM EDT

Narendra Modi is a powerful Indian politician who could one day lead the country. He's also stoutly anti-Muslim—and banned from receiving a U.S. visa. Shikha Dalmia on the raging debate.

The big debate right now in America is whether to hand more visas to Indian techies who want to study or live in the United States. But the issue that dominated the news cycle in India last week concerned the visa of one man: Narendra Modi, the chief minister of the state of Gujarat, who wants to do neither.

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Narendra Modi is a controversial figure, both in the U.S. and India. (Virendra Singh Gosai/Hindustan Times, via Gety)

Sixty-five members of the Indian Parliament—some of whom have since backtracked—released a letter they wrote to President Barack Obama urging him to maintain America's eight-year-old visa ban on Modi. The U.S., along with England and other Western countries, imposed the ban after human-rights groups implicated Modi in the 2002 massacre of Muslims in his state. (The Indian Supreme Court exonerated Modi a decade later, but by then many witnesses had been tampered with or died or killed.)

That year, Hindu mobs—some led by figures from Modi's own party, one of whom was eventually convicted—went on a revenge spree against Muslims for burning a train with Hindu pilgrims. They razed Muslim homes, raped Muslim women, and killed Muslim men.

However, when asked by Reuters a few weeks ago if he felt any remorse over the grisly events that unfolded on his watch, his response was: If your driver runs over a "kutte ka baccha"—a crude term for a puppy—you would obviously feel regret; it was a statement that simultaneously dodged responsibility and dehumanized Muslims.

The latest scandal dogging Modi involves the killing of a young Muslim woman with alleged links to Pakistani terrorists in a staged encounter with the Gujarati police.

But none of this has fazed Modi's solid fan base in the majority Hindu population that has made him the opposition BJP's (Bharatiya Janata Party) standard-bearer in next year's elections for prime minister.

Part of Modi's attraction is that, in sharp contrast to the incompetence, corruption, and intellectual bankruptcy of the ruling Congress Party, he is a man of vision—an able administrator who has done wonders for his state's economy. This is an image he feeds constantly. A month ago, a story floated by his PR firm about how he orchestrated the rescue of 15,000 people stranded in a flood zone, even as the Indian army struggled, caused a sensation among his followers. When media investigations proved that Modi's Rambo-like rescue could not possibly be true, they blamed not him but his political opponents for planting the story to embarrass him.
The latest scandal dogging Modi involves the killing of a young Muslim woman with alleged links to Pakistani terrorists in a staged encounter with the Gujarati police. Some of the accused cops have alleged that Modi knew and gave the encounter his blessing.

But the main reason Modi attracts worshipful Hindu throngs is his open contempt for Congress' ideology of secularism that, in his view, has balkanized the country by extending special favors to Muslims and other minorities to win their votes. That is not a baseless accusation. But what is Modi's solution? More balkanization. He proudly calls himself not just a nationalist but a Hindu nationalist. His insult-of-choice for Congress is that it wears a "burqa of secularism"—a thinly veiled reminder to Hindus that Modi represents their—not Muslim—interests.

But the question is: why does Modi covet an American visa, given that unabashed love for the motherland is a central plank of his politics? It is not because Modi is desperate to visit Disneyland. It is because the Hindu nationalist project involves not just changing the perception of Hinduism as a weak religion at home but abroad as well. India's economic success has given Hindus—especially the urban nouveau riche—a resurgent pride in their religion after enduring decades of digs about India's "Hindu rate of growth." They want Hinduism to be seen as the solution to the centuries of mess created by Muslim and British "foreign" rule. They want the world to regard India's success as synonymous with Hinduism.

Modi, a fire-brand Hindu, is perfect for the job—except that he can't do it so long as he remains a pariah on the international stage. Obtaining a U.S. visa is an important step in rehabilitating himself in the West.

All of this puts the United States in a difficult predicament. Should Modi become the elected prime minister of India next year, it would be awkward for the head of the world's most populous democracy—and an American ally—not to be able to travel to America. At that point, an ongoing ban will become a slap in the face not just of Modi and his backers, but of India.

However, removing the ban right now will whitewash his sins and make him more electable. A U.S. visa is not a travel permit; it is an international seal of approval, which is why his backers have been fiercely petitioning the State Department to grant it. The letter that Indian M.P.s wrote was an effort to exert counter-pressure and neutralize that campaign.

There are no good options but, all things considered, America should err on the side of not enhancing Modi's appeal right now—hoping that the core decency of the Indian people keeps this polarizing, saffron-robed figure (who won't wear greenbecause it is the color of Islam) out of New Delhi next year.



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[mukto-mona] A Universe From Nothing– a talk by professor Krauss



A great lecture by professor Maxwell Krauss.

Enjoy!

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"Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (born May 27, 1954) is an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist who is Foundation Professor of the School of Earth and Space Exploration and director of Arizona State University's Origins Project. He is the author of several bestselling books, including The Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing. He is an advocate of public understanding of science, public policy based on sound empirical data, scientific skepticism, , and science education, and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in our culture.-------"


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Re: [mukto-mona] Secular Perspective



Why piss around when you can't even answer a pointed question? There is no Indian or American secularism that I know. What secularism are you talking about?

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:36 AM
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Best choice is to ignore an empty head like him.


>>>>>>>>>> Member Das has been promising you would do that (Leave me alone) but I am waiting for the day eagerly. ;-)



Shalom!


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Best choice is to ignore an empty head like him.


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
It would be more informative and interesting if you could elaborate which secularism model you would like to follow. Spell it out if you care.



 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
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From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:32 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Secular Perspective

 
As I said earlier, I do not mind criticism but what I see a ambiguous statements and personal attacks against someone who happen to believe in religion. It is funny that the same set of people expects perfection and tolerance from others ALL the time.

First of all, MAKE A point if you have one.

Be specific where you disagree with me.

If some of you have some issues with other members, kindly take it to them. I cannot answer for someone else here.

Lastly, most countries have some contradictions within it. India is no exception. You do not have to get paranoid if someone criticize and point those things once in a while. Since most of you like to talk about religion all the time (While claiming you do not believe in it).

If you are happy being an atheist or agnostic, I am happy for you.

But if you are ignorant about religious views, it is only proper that someone offer you right information.

That is all I am doing here.

Shalom!


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Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:09 pm
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Trying to make sense of QR's comment is trying to straighten the tail of a dog. QR is the face of the religionist. Their universe revolves around religion. Their view on anything is tintent by religion. That's not how most others (90%) in the world think. Therefore, views of a religionist, like QR, on India will be nonsensical. To me - he displays immaturity in his thoughts.Then again, all radical religious people possess immature psyche.  

Jiten Roy


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 5:31 PM
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It is useless to point out idiotic statements to a troll like this Q. Rahman.  Who the hell ever spoke of "blindly following India"?  We are getting bombarded by Mohish mohiuddin, FAlamgir's zulumgiri communalism, Munshi and Bahar's monstrous anti-India obsession, and BNP chairperson's torjoni-heloni warnings of 'desh beche phelchhe', and so on and so forth.

I mentioned many times how the 1972 Constitution of Bangladesh made a studied, conscious improvement over the Indian Constitution by including Article 38 where political parties based on any single religion, caste or creed is prohibited.  Secularism of Bangladesh had a more solid basis in 1972 Constitution than it has in the Indian one.

                          The troll QR, in his troll-like manner, keeps forgetting basic facts and figures so that he can raise them as if he is the one who discovered them in the first place.

                               Farida Majid

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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Secular Perspective

 



These are some reasons why we should be careful about blindly following India. If we do so, our minority population will suffer.

India has a good judicial system and we should try to emulate that tradition into ours. Despite dirty communal and regional politics; judicial system and elections are strong points in Indian democracy.


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Very pointed piece on secularism by Irfan Engineer.
Sankar Ray




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India First or Upper Caste Elite First?
Irfan Engineer
 
(Secular Perspective August 1-15, 2013)
 
I: Contours of Communal Vs. Pseudo Secularism
The BJP is once again attempting to redefine secularism in order to attractively package its Hindu nationalist politics. The politics of Hindu nationalism bases itself on stigmatizing minorities, particularly the Muslim and the Christian community. The two communities are demonized in order to alarm the gullible members of majority community who fall for the propaganda regarding non-existing danger. The anxious and alarmed gullible members are then easy to mobilize for building an authoritarian, repressive and culture enforcing state which privileges the economic and social elite. The typical Hindu nationalist charge against the two communities is that Christians convert large numbers of Hindus using fraud, coercion and inducements (even though the population of Christians has fallen from 2.6% in 1971 to 2.3% in 2001); that all terrorists are Muslims (disregarding confessions of "Swami" Aseemanand and terror related accusation against "Sadhvi" Pragnya Sing Thakur and other); that loyalty of Muslims is suspect and they are more loyal to the neighbouring Pakistan and ISI uses them to destabilize India and mount terrorist attacks; that they nurture separatist goals; that they practice polygamy leading to rapidly growing population; that they infiltrate illegally from neighbouring countries – Pakistan and Bangladesh; that Muslim rulers demolished Hindu temples in order to destroy Hindu religion etc.
Demonization of the minorities provides justification for arming the state with unaccountable power through non-transparent security apparatus, which are then conducive to rapid growth of crony capitalism at the cost of marginalized under-class like the workers, peasants, landless, dalits, adivasis, women and other backward classes. The intruding security apparatus intimidates the under-classes. The alarmed under-class, anxious about the "security of the state", unwittingly surrenders the gains of democracy and democratic institution that would otherwise afford them space to collectively advance their interests. Hindu Nationalism also aims to persuade the members of majority community, particularly the under-class, to leave the feudal caste based hierarchies intact in the name of glorious ancient Hindu traditions. For Hindu nationalists, retaining the feudal traditions and hierarchical caste based structures in the name of traditions and constructing a strong authoritarian state which holds the minority communities down is "positive secularism". Congress' secularism comes under sharp attack from the BJP as "pseudo-secularism" on the ground that it is nothing else but "minority appeasement". By levelling the charge of "minority appeasement" the BJP really means that Congress is not as stridently anti-minority as itself.
The track record of Congress in treating the Muslim and Christian minorities too is nothing to go the town about. Over 40,000 people killed in communal riots, an overwhelming majority of which are members of religious minorities with the guilty having no fear of being brought to justice. The communal riots under Congress government include – Jabalpur in 1961, Ahmedabad in 1969 and 1984, Bhiwandi in 1970 and 1984, Nellie in 1983, anti-Sikh riot in 1984, Bhagalpur in 1989, Moradabad, Godhra in 1981, Meerut in 1987 etc. Staged fake encounter targeting
Sikhs in Punjab and Muslim youth in Batla House (Delhi), Mumbai, Hyderabad and other towns provide media opportunity to tarnish the minorities as terrorists and run stories demonizing the minority communities and increase their TRPS and circulation and coming up with anti-democratic legislations like AFSPA, UAPA, TADA and POTA giving virtually unaccountable powers in the hands of security agencies in the name of counter terrorism measures. Minorities are discriminated in providing infrastructure like roads, schools, access to drinking water and health facilities. Minorities are also discriminated in structures of opportunities, including education, public employment, bank loans, government contracts, etc., now well documented by Sachar Committee Report. Lack of proper security environment, discrimination in bank loans, government contracts and opportunities and poor infrastructure facilities have resulted in educational, social and economic backwardness among the minorities. Even a section of BJP has acknowledged after the Sachar Committee Report that Muslims have been in fact discriminated.
However, Congress attracts charge of "minority appeasement" by the BJP when it takes remedial steps which are too little too late and virtually ineffective to address social and educational backwardness among the minorities. BJP accuses Congress of minority appeasement also on another count – viz. when it frames legislations that are partly accommodative towards minority culture as regards affording them family law based on their faith. However, Congress has more than accommodated the upper caste elite, a tiny minority within the politically constructed majority community, by enforcing their cultural norms on the rest in matters of family laws, anti-cow slaughter legislations, anti-conversion laws that are prone to be misuse by its implementers against the minorities. VHP cadres have formed regular teams to extort money in collusion with some police officers regularly from members of minorities involved in transportation or trade of animals even when they are doing nothing illegal. The extortion amounts are ever increasing and have put the minorities out of business making space for others.
Congress governments have also been more than accommodative towards culture and religious beliefs of the upper caste elite and enforcing it on the rest with legal interventions for example, on the issue of Babri Masjid issue. It acquired the land on which Babri Masjid stood, and allowed the Masjid to be demolished! This later facilitated the Allahabad High Court to divide the land into three "equal" parts and distribute it among the "litigants" – two-third of it going to Hindu litigants and the original owner getting only one third and that too on the margins. Had the land not been acquired and had the mosque not been demolished, such a verdict would have been unthinkable. To conclude the above discussion, while the Hindu nationalists wants to obliterate all cultural uniqueness of diverse non-upper caste elite, perhaps with the exception of ways of worship, and leave political space only for upper-caste culture, the Congress would be a little bit space for culture of minorities and a bit more accommodative as its political strategy. It is this conflict that is reflected in the accusations of pseudo secularism (read minority appeasement) by the BJP and charge of "communal party" by the Congress.
II: India First
Narendra Modi, who is positioning himself as a national leader and prime ministerial candidate of the BJP for 2014 general election has now come up with a new definition of secularism – "India First". All he is reported to have said by way of "definition" is, "nothing less than India's wellbeing should be our goal and if this happens, secularism will automatically run in our blood" That leaves a lot to imagination an begs further questions – India's well being is in what? In allowing corporate India to prosper by grabbing the common resources of the nation at dearth cheap rate, leading to a jobless and futureless "growth" at the cost of the poorest in India, increasing the GDP and India's rating with "Standard & Poor"? Is it in liberalization, privatization and globalization attracting more and more risky and volatile global capital? Or is it in ensuring more equitable and sustainable development benefitting most to the poorest and improving their quality of life as a priority? While Modi does not answer these questions, but his priorities are well known to devote space here. Modi's "India First" definitely appears to be a slogan calculated to say, "not the poorest first, not the discriminated first, not the backward regions first, not the socially backward first, not the victims of development first and not the weakest sections first". For, if these sections are to be given priority and treated first, India, its GDP, will not be first! Standard and Poor will not be proclaiming "India is first", India will not be the first destination for global super profit pursuing capital.
BJP's "Positive Secularism":
While there is debate on what constitutes secularism, and different countries adopt its own version, any standard textbook on secularism would educate us that the least that is required of a secular state is that the state distances itself from religious institutions, religious texts, religious education and expenses by state on religion. However, performance of BJP governments when it was in power was in the centre and in the states where it is in power is contrary to all understandings of secularism. While in Centre, Murli Manohar Joshi was the HRD Minister proposed teaching of Courses in Vedic Astrology, karmakand, yogic consciousness etc. as a subject for Higher education. The universities in India would be producing Hindu priests! If you teach Vedas, you are positive secularist, and if you teach Qur'an and Bible, one is pseudo secularist. Madhya Pradesh Government introduced teaching Gita in school and forcing schools receiving government grant-in-aid to teach yoga and perform surya namaskar, sing saraswati vandana to children belonging to all religious communities. BJP Govt. in Madhya Pradesh started sponsoring senior citizens travel to pilgrimage within India and the pilgrimage sites are the one which Hindus visit. Therefore a Muslim senior citizen would not join the pilgrimage! If Haj Pilgrims are being "subsidized", it amounts to minority appeasement, while if citizens are sponsored for pilgrimage to various holy sites in India, it is positive secularism! We condemn subsidy to Haj Pilgrims as well as any expenditure on religious belief of any citizen.
BJP has been demanding anti-conversion laws that seek state regulation of conversions from one religion to another. However, the Hindu nationalists have been forcibly converting Christians to Hinduism in Kandhamal district. Victims of anti-Christian violence in 2007-08 were forced to stay in relief camps and could not return to their villages and cultivate their land or rebuild their houses until they agreed to be converted to Hindu religion. Stringent conditions were forced on them – tonsuring their heads, levying heavy fines for following Christian religion in the past and promising to join mobs that attack Christians should the "village" decide to do so. While forcible conversion from any religion is termed by them as "ghar vapsi", even voluntary conversions to Christianity and Islam is stigmatized as conversion by force or inducement and a campaign is mounted against every conversion from Hinduism to Christianity or Islam. Most conversions from Hinduism to Christianity or Islam is due to the fact that upper-caste Hindus exclude and oppress dalits, whereas the oppressed hope to be treated with dignity and equality in the religion they are seeking to convert to. There are other reasons as well for voluntary conversions which we do not want to into here. Under BJP rule, the Rajasthan Assembly passed a bill providing that conversion to religion of one's forefathers (read Hindu religion) would not be considered as religious conversion! Under Modi's supremacy, Gujarat Assembly passed a bill amending its anti-conversion law to provide that conversion from Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism could continue unregulated, operating under the principle that Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism were not separate religions, but sub-sects of Hinduism. The Gujarat Bill and Rajasthan Bill, both were not assented to by the Governor and were referred to the President of India. To force unwilling Christians to convert to Hinduism and to prevent the dalits from converting to Christianity or Islam is "India First" brand of secularism but to give the citizens freedom to follow religion of their choice is appeasement of minorities and following anti-national policies!
Anti-cow slaughter legislations in the country is becoming more draconian and an instrument of oppression of minorities in BJP ruled states. MP Govt. amended the legislation enhancing the punishment for cow laughter to 7 years imprisonment and shifting the burden of proof on the accused! Offences have been made non-bailable. Police have been authorised to enter kitchens if they suspect cooking or consumption of beef and seize vessels, equipments, storage (read refrigerator) etc. The law is indiscriminate and inhuman directed against minorities. It is being used to subjugate minorities. The anti-cow legislation have only one justification and one basis – religious practices of the Hindu upper-caste. Why should the state prescribe or regulate dietary preferences of citizens and enter their kitchens to enforce religion based ideology? Jains would similarly demand that state ban onions and garlic from consumption list of the citizens and Muslims would demand pork be banned! If the religion of Jains and Muslims is not being taken into account in proposing dietary prescription to citizens, why should that of upper caste Hindus be taken? Is it "India First" or upper castes first?
Moral policing
Hindu nationalists have vandalised M.F. Hussain's paintings on the grounds that they offend religious sensibilities of the citizens. M.F.Hussain was hounded out of the country using a combination of violence and misusing judicial proceedings. They prevented the film "Water" being shot in Varanasi. Bal Thackeray forced producers to cut scenes that were against his and his party's interests, even after the Censor Board approved it. Hindu nationalist have routinely imposed dress codes and opposed Valentine day, beaten up women in pubs, disrupted parties being organized by youngsters with boys and girls attending.
We could list many other measures, including the desire to impose upper caste family law on the entire nation in the name of uniform civil code and other things. For lack of space, we have to conclude here. India First is nothing else but Political Power First and imposition of patriarchal, feudal, hierarchical upper caste culture on the rest of Indians following rich and diverse cultural traditions, including egalitarian traditions. Diversity has taught the people to live in harmony and learn from various traditions through everyday interactions and further enrich themselves.
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Mumbai.
 
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] Secularism in search of truth/Waheed Nabi



Secularism represents Dhorma-Niropekhota, in Bengali, meaning equal treatment to all religions. He was describing secularism as Atheism, meaning independence from religion, God, and priests. This description reflects the misunderstanding of secularism in the western world.

Even a God fearing person can be secular if he/she can treat faith as a personal belief, and understands that no faith is beyond proof, and others may have different personal faiths as well. Those who misunderstand faith as a proven fact cannot be secular; those are the dumbest people on earth.

Jiten Roy



From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Secularism in search of truth/Waheed Nabi

 

A very nice 5 mins video about secularism.

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Secularism-A Short Film -5mins

SECULARISM
Robert Green Ingersoll
SEVERAL people have asked me the meaning of this term.
Secularism is the religion of humanity; it embraces the affairs of this world; it is interested in everything that touches the welfare of a sentient being; it advocates attention to the particular planet in which we happen to live; it means that each individual counts for something; it is a declaration of intellectual independence; it means that the pew is superior to the pulpit, that those who bear the burdens shall have the profits and that they who fill the purse shall hold the strings. It is a protest against theological oppression, against ecclesiastical tyranny, against being the serf, subject or slave of any phantom, or of the priest of any phantom. It is a protest against wasting this life for the sake of one that we know not of. It proposes to let the gods take care of themselves. It is another name for common sense; that is to say, the adaptation of means to such ends as are desired and understood.
 
Secularism believes in building a home here, in this world. It trusts to individual effort, to energy, to intelligence, to observation and experience rather than to the unknown and the supernatural. It desires to be happy on this side of the grave.
 
Secularism means food and fireside, roof and raiment, reasonable work and reasonable leisure, the cultivation of the tastes, the acquisition of knowledge, the enjoyment of the arts, and it promises for the human race comfort, independence, intelligence, and above all liberty. It means the abolition of sectarian feuds, of theological hatreds. It means the cultivation of friendship and intellectual hospitality. It means the living for ourselves and each other; for the present instead of the past, for this world rather than for another. It means the right to express your thought in spite of popes, priests, and gods. It means that impudent idleness shall no longer live upon the labor of honest men. It means the destruction of the business of those who trade in fear. It proposes to give serenity and content to the human soul. It will put out the fires of eternal pain. It is striving to do away with violence and vice, with ignorance, poverty and disease. It lives for the ever present to-day, and the ever coming to-morrow. It does not believe in praying and receiving, but in earning and deserving. It regards work as worship, labor as prayer, and wisdom as the savior of mankind. It says to every human being, Take care of yourself so that you may be able to help others; adorn your life with the gems called good deeds; illumine your path with the sunlight called friendship and love.
 
Secularism is a religion, a religion that is understood. It has no mysteries, no mumblings, no priests, no ceremonies, no falsehoods, no miracles, and no persecutions. It considers the lilies of the field, and takes thought for the morrow. It says to the whole world, Work that you may eat, drink, and be clothed; work that you may enjoy; work that you may not want; work that you may give and never need.
 
The Independent Pulpit, Waco, Texas, 1887.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG6Fd_2yNt4&feature=player_embedded#!



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Interesting article about secularism! 

Non-Fiction

Secularism in search of truth

Waheed Nabi

Galileo
Galileo
In the eleventh century, the conservative Arab philosopher Ibn Ghazali wrote a book called "Incoherence of  the Philosophers". In this book he bitterly criticized the progressive minded Muslim philosophers. In reply, a Spanish Muslim philosopher, Ibn Rushd, wrote a book called " Incoherence of the incoherence". The eminent historians thought that he clearly expressed secular ideas in this book. The debate between Ibn Ghazali and Ibn Rushd was about the study of philosophy. But secular thoughts were quite apparent in Ibn Rushd's book. Though in the ideas of ancient philosophers like Protagoras and Marcus Aurelius, secular thoughts were there, Ibn Rushd was the first philosopher who clearly gave expression to secularism. Ibn Sinha of Iran, a world renowned physician, was also a wise philosopher and believed in secularism. Ibn Rushd was a follower of Ibn Sinha. It seems that Muslim philosophers were the pioneers of secular ideas. But, unfortunately, because of the Crusades Muslims went backward in their intellectual activities.
It has been seen in history that when a particular idea gets stagnant with time then it is replaced by new ideas. The leading figures of the old thoughts do not realise  their own shortcomings and try to stick to their outdated ides. In situations like this the leaders of the old schools get aggressive against progressive thinkers. We can find many examples of  these in history. Following the ideas of Copernicus and through his own observation Galileo found that the earth moves round the Sun. He did not have any intention of fighting against the church authorities. He only wanted to present the proof of his findings. But the religious authorities were not interested in new scientific findings.
George Jacob Holyoake
George Jacob Holyoake
According to them, whatever was written in the Bible was the absolute truth. They put Galileo in prison, where he died. Michael Servetus, a Spanish scientist who described the blood circulation system in human beings, was burnt to death by the church authorities. Giordano Bruno talked about the eternity of the universe. He said that the Sun was among many stars. Bruno was also burnt to death by the religious establishment. Charles Darwin was given a hard time by priests for revealing a scientific truth. We now see that the truth arrived at by secular scientists is universally accepted and conservative superstitious doctrines have been flung into the dustbin of history. But in spite of that the forces of darkness show their muscle power every now and then and obstruct the progress of  history.
The term "secularism" was first coined by an English philosopher called George Jacob Holyoake. He was a follower of a school of philosophy called "agnosticism". This school of philosophy was established by Thomas Henry Huxley. He said that agnosticism is not a belief system but a process by which one can test whether an idea is true or false. Holyoake said that secularism was not against Christianity. Secularism takes the cause of  truth forward. He said that secularism was not the only way to establish the truth but definitely secularism helps in knowing the truth. In his opinion, our life is the foundation of secularism. He believed that human welfare was deeply related to this ideology. We can test the validity of this ideology with the experience of our life.
We believe that there is a need to discuss secularism in our country. Even the people who introduced secularism in our constitution did not explain secularism to our people. The political parties whose ideology is secularism also did not explain the ideology to the people. Because of these reasons conservative forces tell people that secularism is nothing but atheism. The fact is, with the progress of time circumstances change. To adjust to these changing circumstances is a necessity. If we try to stick to the circumstances of the long ago past, then our quality of life will remain poor. This is a reality. Secularism will help us get adjusted to our life's situations. Here is an example . Women's whole life used to be spent in giving birth to babies and to bring them up. They could not do anything else. Now because of modern scientific birth control methods women are contributing to the welfare of  society. If we go back from here then tremendous harm will be done to our society.
Secular thoughts were disseminated widely during the Renaissance. The Renaissance started in Florence in Italy in the 14th century. The pioneer of the renaissance was Francesco Petrach. The Renaissance then spread all over Europe. It brought a new awakening in Europe. It exerted its influence on art, literature, science and politics. Roman Catholics had brought stagnation in the lives of Europeans. The Renaissance brought about a new revolution. The Renaissance encouraged free thinking. It helped people acquire knowledge in all spheres of life.
Now let us look at the history of our own country. Perhaps William Hunter's book The Indian Mussalmans will help us. During British rule the Muslims of India felt as if they had lost. Even though during the period of Muslim rule they were nowhere near the centre of power, they felt as if they had some kind of relationship with the rulers. Because of these reasons there was some kind of distance between the Indian Muslims and the British rulers (according to Hunter, the Indian Muslims did not learn the Persian language during Muslim rules).  The Hindus learned the English language and got themselves educated. The Muslims stayed backwards. When the English wanted to spend money to promote Hindu religious education, Raja Rammohan Roy opposed it. He demanded education on scientific and other modern subjects. The Hindus benefited from his foresight. The backwardness of the Muslims was the reason behind the demand made by Pakistan. The religious basis of Pakistan was soon proved futile. The book Pakistan: between mosque and military" by Husain Haqqani will help us to understand this.
The disillusioned Bengalis demanded self-autonomy and when it was suppressed they fought for independence and got it at a very high price. The four pillars of this new state were "nationalism", "democracy", "socialism" and "secularism". The backward thinking people could not accept it. Under the leadership of two army generals they turned the wheels of history backward.  As  there was ignorance in our people about the four pillars of our constitution, the reactionary forces did not get any resistance in changing the constitution. Due to various reasons it is now difficult to come out of this unwanted situation. The only way out of this situation is wide discussion about secularism. Mass awareness about secularism is the only way out of the impossible situation we are in.
Waheed Nabi is a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Britain.

 
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