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Call for Articles/ Other Contributions for WPI Magazine Invitation for October-December 2009 Issue: Theme for October-December 2009 Issue: "Husband-Wife Relationships: Islamic Perspective" Scope: · Duties and responsibilities of husband and wife in Islam · Importance of family in Islam and society · Problems in marriage and solution · How to make a harmonized family · Marriage in different cultures and how to manage differences · Selection of spouses · Theoretical rights of wife and the reality in different society · Qualities of ideal Muslim parents, etc. Witness Pioneer International (www.witness- pioneer.org) requests you to submit your contribution for the next issue of its quarterly virtual magazine, the "Al-Baiyyinah" . "Al Baiyyinah" is the e-magazine of Witness Pioneer International, which aims to present contemporary and fundamental issues to Muslim readers in an intriguing and thought provoking manner. For our next issue, our preferred topic is 'Husband-Wife Relationships: Islamic Perspective' . We have discussed various dimensions of social relationships in this issue, and, as a continuation, we intend to focus on parenting in the next. We hope our magazine will provide some knowledge in this regard. The previous issues are available in the web: http://www.witness- pioneer.org/ VMagazine/ index.htm Theme for October-December 2009 Issue: "Husband-Wife Relationships: Islamic Perspective" Scope: Topics of interest include different aspects of the selected issue, including, but not limited to, the following areas: · Duties and responsibilities of husband and wife in Islam · Importance of family in Islam and society · Problems in marriage and solution · How to make a harmonized family · Marriage in different cultures and how to manage differences · Selection of spouses · Theoretical rights of wife and the reality in different society · Qualities of ideal Muslim parents, etc. Contribution may include: · Articles · Book reviews · Interviews of personalities · Reflection and personal experiences, comments · Translations of great work in English with proper referencing (please provide us the original manuscript if not in English for our reference), etc.   Important Dates: Contributed Articles Submission Deadline: August 30, 2009  Comment on your writing (if required): September 15, 2009 Deadline for Publication on Web:  October 1, 2009 Submission of Contributions: Authors are requested to submit their contributions electronically to wpi.magazine@ gmail.com, using the following layout: Page limit: A4 size. We recommend that the article be within 4 full pages – including paper title, authors and affiliation, but this rule is flexible. Font:  Times New Roman, Font size 12, with single-spacing, single column. Style-sheet: It would be highly appreciated if you could follow the style-sheet based on http://www.witness- pioneer.org/ VMagazine/ SimpleGuideForAu thors.pdf Note: One can submit his/her articles or comments, etc. - even though these are not related to the current topic. And the Editorial board may use these in the current or in future publication. Please submit! Visit http://www.witness- pioneer.org/ darul_albab  Visit http://www.witness- pioneer.org/ VSchool/courses. htm   Ma'assalam.   Director Witness-Pioneer Virtual School (WPVS)

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[ALOCHONA] Protect people and nature from Tipaimukh Dam

Protect people and nature from Tipaimukh Dam by Dr Nargis Banu BANGLADESH is the lowest riparian country of more than 53 trans-boundary rivers. Four-fifths of Bangladesh is made up of the combined delta of the Ganges, Brahmaputra, Meghna and Barak river systems – one of the largest river basins in the world. India has 400 storage dams of various sizes and the major reservoirs have a total capacity of 2,221 billion cubic feet. Upstream diversion due to the Farakka Barrage on the Ganges in India has adversely affected the hydrology, river morphology, agriculture, domestic and municipal water supply, fishery, forestry, wildlife, industry, navigation, public health and biodiversity in north-western districts of Bangladesh. Now India has started another intervention on the international river Barak at Tipaimukh and will construct a dam at Fulertal (100 kilometres downstream from Tipaimukh) by 2012.   This dam construction originally started in 2007 but had to be postponed due to protest by the surrounding villagers and pressure from international bodies. With the construction of Tipaimukh dam, India would be diverting the Barak's water flow from its north to its south and east. It will have adverse impacts on nature and livelihood in the north-eastern districts in Bangladesh. The Barak feeds not only the Surma-Kushiara in Sylhet but also flows into the Meghna, one of the three major rivers in Bangladesh.    The proposed Tipaimukh dam is a 390m long and 162.5m high earthen core rock filled dam at downstream of the confluence of Barak and Tuivai rivers near Tipaimukh village in Manipur state of India. To produce an estimated 1,500MW electric power, the dam will permanently submerge an area of 275.50 square kilometres in India. The dam will establish a reservoir behind the dam that will catch water in the rainy season and release it in the dry season. A list of benefits such as high-class tourism, free power sharing, resettlement and rehabilitation package has been offered by the Indian project proponent (North East Electric Power Corporation) to appease the people of Manipur state.    The geology on Tipaimukh and its adjoining areas are basically made up of the Surma Group of rocks that are well characterised by folds and faults with regional strike. All these faults and fractures can cause localised shifting or deflection at the confluence of the rivers Barak and Tuivai. Such faults are potentially active and may be focal and/or epicentres of future earthquakes.   The north-eastern part of India is one of the highest earthquake-prone areas in the world due to its tectonic setting. The Tipaimukh dam site has been identified at the highest-risk seismically hazardous zone. Analysis of earthquake epicentres of the Tipaimukh dam site reveals hundreds of earthquakes in the past 100-200 years. It is found that within 100km radius of Tipaimukh two earthquakes of +7M magnitude have taken placed in the past 150 years, the last in 1957 at an aerial distance of about 75km from the dam site. The expert appraisal committee of India revealed that the design of the dam contains many errors, and omissions, and falls short of compliance of standards set by the scientific and academic community in India and the world.    As part of the project planning process, India conducted detailed studies, completed the final design and environment impact assessment without consultation with Bangladesh as a downstream stakeholder. The Indian government has not clearly stated the amounts of water that will be stopped or diverted with the construction of the Tipaimukh dam. About 7 to 8 per cent of the total water of Bangladesh is obtained through the river Barak to Surma-Kushiara river basins. Agriculture, irrigation navigation, drinking water supply, fisheries, wildlife in numerous haors (wetlands) and low-lying areas in entire Sylhet division, some areas of Comilla and Mymensingh districts, and some peripheral areas of Dhaka division depends on this water.    Along with the people of India, civil society groups, government and non-governmental organisations in Bangladesh have protested against the downstream impacts of Tipaimukh dam. The following adverse impacts on nature and livelihood in Bangladesh have been identified:        Flooding pattern    The erosion just downstream of the Tipaimukh Dam would be excessively high and this erosion would continue as long as hundred kilometres downstream or more in the Surma-Kushiara system. The probable deposition during late monsoon and post-monsoon season will raise the overall bed level of the rivers, and for an extreme case it would block the mouth of certain tributaries originating from the Kushiara. Bed level would rise and will induce the average monsoon flood to become moderate to severe flood in the Surma-Kushiara floodplain. On the other hand, Sylhet and Moulvibazar have unique natural monsoon-flooding pattern.    In post-dam scenario, 30,123 hectares of inundated areas in Sylhet and 5,220 hectares in Moulvibazar would be reduced due to change of flooding pattern. About 71 per cent of the upper Surma-Kushiara basin area would no longer be flooded. The Kushiara would cut its connection with its right bank floodplain for around 65 kilometres and this part will become 'reservoir river' rather than a most valuable 'floodplain river'. The Kushiara-Bardal haor (wetland) on the left bank of the Kushiara would become completely dry. The Kawardighi haor (wetland) would also lose around 2,979 ha (26 per cent).        Hydrology and wetlands    The Tipaimukh dam would lead to hydrological drought and environmental degradation. According to the Institute of Water Modelling, an autonomous research institute in Bangladesh, once the Tipaimukh dam is fully functional, average annual monsoon inflow from the Barak to the Surma-Kushiyara-Meghna system would be reduced around 10 per cent in June, 23 per cent in July, 16 per cent in August and 15 per cent in September. Water level would fall by more than a metre on average in July on the Kushiara and 0.75 metre on the Surma. During a relatively drier monsoon year, the dam would have more impact on the availability of monsoon water in the Barak-Surma-Kushiara than the average annual monsoon year.        Groundwater and irrigation    Millions of people are dependent on hundreds of water bodies fed by the Barak for agricultural activities. The dam would cause the Surma and Kushiara to run dry from November to May. Shortage of water in these few months would decrease the boost of groundwater. Over the years this would lower the groundwater level, which in turn would affect all dugouts and shallow tube-wells. Agriculture dependent on both surface as well as groundwater would also be affected. Arable land will decrease and production of crops will fall, leading to an increase in poverty.    Biodiversity and ecology    ONE of the most serious and least studied consequences of large dams is the long-term health impacts due to drastic changes in the ecological balance, displacement and loss of livelihood and sudden alterations in the demographic character of the area. These factors have not been considered at all in the process of the Tipaimukh project planning phase. It is a well-known fact that the construction of dams invariably destroys the natural riverine ecosystem. As a result, it affects the habitat of rare and endangered flora and fauna in wetland. Construction of a high dam will obstruct the migratory path of fish and other aquatic fauna, prevent the exchange of micronutrients and silt between the upper and lower reaches of a river and have an overall adverse affect on the riverine food chain. Above impacts would destroy the natural integrity of the ecosystem, losing riverine habitat and species, and a lack of enrichment of land with the nutrient-full silt. This would lead to the ultimate decline in the natural productivity of the two most abundant resources of Bangladesh – land and water.        Dam break and human catastrophes    A detailed study by the World Dam Commission published in 2000 states that the adverse impacts of any large dams are irreversible for the lower riparian region. A study on the trends of earthquakes reveals that they mostly take place in regions which have experienced earthquakes in the past. If the Tipaimukh Dam were to break, its 'billions' of impounded cubic metres of water will cause catastrophic floods because of its colossal structure. The faults and fractures around the Tipaimukh Dam axis belong to the category that may undergo strike-slip and extensional movements. If the dam axis is displaced by a few centimetres, serious damage may occur causing a dam disaster leading to huge loss of lives and property.        Water quality    The erosion and sedimentation just downstream of the Tipaimukh Dam would be excessively high and would continue as long as over 600 kilometres downstream in Bangladesh. This excessive erosion downstream of the dam would increase the overall siltation and water turbidity in the Surma-Kushiara system. These will adversely affect the water quality of the entire Surma-Kushiara-Meghna system in Bangladesh.    Climate change    The Tipaimukh dam will permanently submerge an area of 275.50 square kilometres in India. The dam will have warming impact due to methane degassing from the reservoir. Mass human displacement, land use change on macro and micro climate and carbon emissions of large dam construction itself is enough to reconsider constructing of Tipaimukh dam.        Violation of laws and agreement    International rivers are naturally well designated and they flow through many countries. There are international rules and conventions that guide modes of sharing waters of such rivers between countries in the riparian regions. The UN International Water Management Convention 1997 adopted two key issues, in gist stated by two words – 'no harm' and 'equitable sharing'. To elaborate the implications of the two set of terms, one can safely state that the upper riparian country must not do harm to lower riparian country by withdrawing or diverting normal natural flow of water. If any such withdrawal and diversion is at all to be done, such mode must have prior sanction of the lower riparian country subject to the condition of mutually agreed equitable sharing.    Under this convention, hiding any information by the upper riparian countries about the use of common rivers is considered as violation of the UN convention. The International Convention on Joint River Water also states that without the consent of the downstream river nation, no single country alone can control the multi-nation rivers. But India does not care about these international laws despite being a signatory to this convention. The Tipaimukh Dam project was entirely developed and approved without informing the government of Bangladesh or involving its people in any meaningful exercise to assess the downstream impacts of the dam. Bangladesh was not invited to participate, fully and actively, in the decision-making process as a key stakeholder. This is clearly a gross violation of co-riparian rights of Bangladesh.    The unilateral construction of Tipaimukh dam by India on this international river Barak is a violation of UN Convention on the Law of Non-navigational Uses of International Watercourses. At a Joint River Commission meeting in September 2005, India formally assured Bangladesh that they would not divert any water for their irrigation project. If India constructs the dam without the consent of Bangladesh, it will also be violation of article 9 of the Bangladesh-India Ganges Water Sharing Treaty 1996. Interestingly, a dam across the Barak was first mooted in 1928. Yet, India has failed to produce all the necessary data and research on the impacts of the dam on the people and the environment of both countries.    Economists have estimated that Bangladesh will lose up to $32 billion in a year due to the Tipaimukh dam construction. Taking into account the above impacts and recently developing objections in the both countries, the following actions should be undertaken to reach an amicable solution of this dispute:    Indian government needs to undertake a fresh review despite advancing the dam construction works. Invite Bangladesh to take part in the whole decision making process before it is too late.    India must provide access to all technical information (design, drawing, environment impact assessment) to Bangladesh to measure the total impacts of the Tipaimukh Dam on Bangladesh.    A joint team should be formed to study the adverse ecological and environmental impacts on both countries.    Bangladesh must ratify the UN convention as soon as possible in order to take advantage and for it to be effective.    As the proposed site is one of the highest potential earthquake areas in the world, so impacts from its tectonic setting risk must need to be investigated seriously.    Draw the international community's (Asian Development Bank, World Bank, UNEP) attention to save our people and nature of Bangladesh.    The Bangladesh government, political leaders, civil society bodies, environmentalists need to join under a common umbrella to stop India constructing the Tipaimukh Dam.The World Commission on Dams report has shown that Indian dams do more harm than help. Therefore, as per the report's recommendation consider replacing dam-based hydroelectricity with a 'run-of-the-river' type project.    Abridged from a paper presented at a seminar at the Australian National University on July 3. Dr Nargis A Banu is an environmental scientist with Sydney Water Corporation, Australia.   http://www.newagebd.com/2009/jul/15/oped.html

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[mukto-mona] Re: Why the facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize are kept secret?

Mr. Doulah,

Your concern is rather silly! Those of us who are imbibed with the insighful light of Tagore's wonderful thougts would hardly bother about it. When Nobel Prize was awarded to a person like Tagore, it lifted the stature of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Prize Committee, greatness of Tagore remained unperturbed. However, Tagore knows the pain of a silly thought that you feel. So he says, 'Alpo loi-ya thaaki tai/more jaha jae taha jae..'. Read and sing the lines, you will feel better.

Tistarbahe

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> Rabindranath Tagore was the greatest of all great Bengali writers. But it is sad to note that the learned Bengali readers and writers kept many facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize in 1913 are kept secret. Some such facts are given below:
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> A. Rabindranath Tagore was more than many Nobel Laureates. But his winning of the Nobel Prize was a political consolation for the Hindu terrorist movements launched in Bengal in the early days of the20th century.
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> B. Rabindranth Tagore was not the recommendation of the Nobel Committee. The Nobel Committee named somebody else. The name of Rabindranath Tagore was not even in the short list of the Nobel Committee.
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> C. Rabindranth Tagore was awarded the Nobel Prize neither as a Bengalee nor as an Indian. He was awarded the prize as an "Anglo-Indian".
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> D. Rabindranth Tagore never made any so-called prize receiving speech.
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> E. Rabindranth Tagore only sent a two line accepting message.
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> F. The prize was accepted by the British Ambassador and it was delivered to the poet in Calcutta.
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> G. It appears from the information, now available, that Rabindranath Tagore was awarded Nobel Prize in consideration of his successful attempt to intermingle the Christian-Indian philosophy.
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> I shall very much welcome exact and objective reply from the esteemed readers of this Group.
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> A.B.M. Shamsud Doulah
> G.P.O. Box 351
> Dhaka-1000
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> Email: shamsuddoulah@...
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[mukto-mona] Allah's 10 Commandments

 

Atif/ Mubashir/ Enayet/ Ramjaan/ Mufassil/ Shabbir/ Zahid & AbuSayeed & Faiz>

You write, "Dr. Shabbir has made his point by showing the truth of "Holy" Books. No need to go on and on. They needed to be exposed because many of them perhaps don't even read their own books. Prophet said, Just leave them alone and let God to deal with them.  He, the Most High, knows far better how to deal with those who offend Him.  Guidance is for God alone, after Truth has been presented".

 

 In my post of May 27^th, 2009, here is what I wrote, quoting Holly Quran:

1. You can keep a slave--captured in war.
2. You can have sex with your slave without marriage
3. You can keep concubines and enjoy sex without marriage ( A woman cannot enjoy it because it would be considered Adultery)
4. You can beat your wife (if she is not a good woman) But A woman cannot beat her Husband if he is really a bad man.
5. Your husband can keep 4 women at a time. (a wife does not even like her mother-in-law or a sister-in-law living in her husband's house—how a dignified woman will allow another woman in her bed)
6. Your husband can do a Muta marriage for as little as one week
7. Man is one step above women
8. Women's testimony is half of a man's testimony
9. You are the property of your Father, brother and your husband
10. You should love Mohammad and Allah more than your Father, mother, and children! You can dump them for sake of Allah

Dr. Shabbir, the Scholar of Islam, Challenged me to show him the verses regarding the sex with slave girls in the Holly Quran, without marriage. When I showed the Verse---this blind slave of Allah—instead of acknowledging the error in Quran---ran away from the scene. That is when I developed my Universal Dua for all the Liars of the World. I challenge, any Islamic Scholar in the world to meet me face to face, on these 10 commandments, in a Court room in London or Washington. Let the Judge decide whether I have quoted Quran 'wrongfully and out of context'.
 
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Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:26:58 -0400

I completely agree with br. Atif.  Muslims are hurting themselves and other Muslims much more than hurting the Hindus on these forums.  The Qur'anic advice matches well with what Atif wrote.  When the Qur'an is being mocked at and the Prophet of Islam ridiculed, we are told to ignore the mockers and not associate with them until they come to realize their misconduct.  Just leave them alone and let God to deal with them.  He, the Most High, knows far better how to deal with those who offend Him. 

 

Atif's advice needs to be heeded.  It will help manage the anger and the bad language many people, including Muslims, are engaging in.

 

I think the majority of Hindus don't care as much about their religion as majority of the Muslims do.  So if you think you can hurt Hindus by quoting from their sacred books, like Ramayana, think again.  They may be actually enjoying it!

 

Irfan

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Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir

Good point Mr. Atif,

 

It would have been nice to see you caution Islam bashers to use civilised language!! When people go out of bounds, they need to be reminded.

 

Dr. Shabbir has made his point by showing the truth of "Holy" Books. No need to go on and on. They needed to be exposed because many of them perhaps don't even read their own books!!!

 

He quoted from their books without using filthy language. He has the books and not making anything up. We have noted that none of those attacking Islam have come up with any explanations for what was quoted.

 

I suggest one easy solution: list their names on spam filters, or simply delete their messages.

 

Guidance is for God alone, after truth has been presented.

 

Have a great day, and thanks.

 

Mubashir

 

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Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS - Mubashir

Dear Mubashir,   Let me give you an example for these people who are perceived as "Islam Hater"   They are not misguided as many of us might think, They are not Islam hater as many of us might think.   These people are like fruit flies   The fruit fly comes by and buzz around you even if you do not wish to engage and ignore it and some time you don't even want to kill the fruit fly it continues to nag you and once you are furstrated enough and are engaged you end up slapping your face and any part of body that fly sits on.   This is how angry and frustrated you get with a fly.   And fly when sits on you  it is only capable of doing one thing...  leaving filth on you.   These people in these forums are gathered around Muslim just as if flies would come in your house and sit and leave filth any thing they find.   you chase them and they start to fly around making even more buzz some time they go away for few minutes and come back doing the same thing again.   Now I would not make any suggestion of how we normally treat flies because that would be taken out of context here.   Intention of these people is as follows;   Create frustration and anger among Muslims, and spread as much filth as they can.   So why are we doing this?   why are we expecting flies not to leave filth because that's what they are designed to do? why are we slapping our own face in attempt to hurt these flies?   Simply shush them away without being engaged. Close the door (door of conversation) These flies will eventually go away.   And keep in mind that no mater what you do you can not clean a fly and or convert a fly into honey bee.   Atif         --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS To: "S Turkman" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "Ahumanb" <ahumanb@yahoo.com>, drshabbir@bellsouth.net, "asghar" <msa7011@yahoo.com>, "zck" <zckid@yahoo.com>, "mramjam" <mramjan@hotmail.com>, "khurshid" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "mkhan" <mukhan11@yahoo.com>, "abusayeeddr" <abusayeedr@yahoo.com>, "yousafzai" <well.kaleem@gmail.com>, "Aftab Kazmi" <aftab_kazmi@hotmail.com>, "Ajmol ali" <ajmol.ali@treas.state.nj.us>, "ayubi" <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com>, "enayet" <enayet_2000@yahoo.com>, "drmanik" <eastside_peds@bellsouth.net>, "Alamgir" <malamgir1@aol.com>, "Nizam" <nizam_moer@sky.com>, "Syed Mohsin Naqvi" <mnaquvi@yahoo.com>, celeti@aol.com, "Munir" <captmunir@gmail.com>, "azad" <pelicaninfotech@yahoo.com>, inara_islam@hotmail.com, itouchfree@yahoo.ca, "MOZUMDER" <mozumder@aol.com>, "OSMAN BELAL" <awobelal@yahoo.co.uk>, "shumon" <shumonoh@yahoo.com>, "tahirkhan" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, "zoglul" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "SAIF Davdas" <islam1234@msn.com>, atif98@yahoo.com Cc: lalhgehi@yahoo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:29 PM Sorry Sir. We don't belong to a Non-Muslim hating culture. That is another of your many assumptions. I guess you take it that way as you do it all the time to others.   We only question those engage in discussions using abusive and filthy language even when we are being civilised and polite to them.   Yes, the Qur'an is right. We are not to bad mouth their gods but to describe what they believe in is no crime as long as it is done in a non abusive manner.   Now, can I please get an answer to my question. Did you ask those using abusive and filthy language against Muhammad (S) to stop? If not why not?   Mubashir From: S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> To: Ahumanb <ahumanb@yahoo.com>; drshabbir@bellsouth.net; asghar <msa7011@yahoo.com>; zck <zckid@yahoo.com>; mramjam <mramjan@hotmail.com>; khurshid <mirza.syed@gmail.com>; mkhan <mukhan11@yahoo.com>; abusayeeddr <abusayeedr@yahoo.com>; yousafzai <well.kaleem@gmail.com>; Aftab Kazmi <aftab_kazmi@hotmail.com>; Ajmol ali <ajmol.ali@treas.state.nj.us>; ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com>; enayet <enayet_2000@yahoo.com>; drmanik <eastside_peds@bellsouth.net>; inayat <minayet@yahoo.com>; Alamgir <malamgir1@aol.com>; Nizam <nizam_moer@sky.com>; Syed Mohsin Naqvi <mnaquvi@yahoo.com>; celeti@aol.com; Munir <captmunir@gmail.com>; azad <pelicaninfotech@yahoo.com>; inara_islam@hotmail.com; itouchfree@yahoo.ca; MOZUMDER <mozumder@aol.com>; OSMAN BELAL <awobelal@yahoo.co.uk>; shumon <shumonoh@yahoo.com>; tahirkhan <tahirakhan@comcast.net>; zoglul <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>; SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com>; mubaschir <mubashir@rogers.com>; atif98@yahoo.com Cc: lalhgehi@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:09:47 PM Subject: RAVAN RI**S SITA - MY COMMENTS Atif here sets himself apart from the crowd by even providing Moslims the Qoraanic References for what I wrote. I'm proud of him for being honest instead of keep insisting that I'm wrong like so famous Dr. Shabbir, Mobashir and some others, who have become a part of Non Moslim Hating Culture created by Mollaas, Pakistan Establishment and Pak Army. Almost all Moslims have lost Sense of Decency because that's not taught by our Mollaas.   I had always thought Dr. Shabbir was against all that but his this outburst makes me believe, its not his fault. He is just going senile because of his age. I have to also inform the JehaaDi hiding behind fake ID of 'Ahumanb', I'm not gaulible, you are and don't even know this.    --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Atif <atif98@yahoo.com> wrote: I feel very sad and some time angry when I read vulgarity ... I can understand thoes who are attaking Islam are here for this agenda but Muslims should seek guidance from Quran in such mater and try to avoid going down at the same level..   THIS IS WHAT QURAN STATES     Al-Anaam Had Allâh willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them nor are you a Wakil (disposer of affairs, guardian or trustee) over them. (6:107)   And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair¬seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.[] (6:108)   And they swear their strongest oaths by Allâh, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe therein. Say: "Signs are but with Allâh and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they will not believe?" (6: 109)     Please avoid this useless discussion it only adds further sin on our own accounts.   Atif   --- On Mon, 7/13/09, mubaschir <mubashir@rogers.com> wrote: Mr. Turkman,   Where did Dr. Shabbir use filthy language to attack Hindu Gods or beliefs?   You don't get the point. In response to virulent and filthy attacks by Lal and Company, Dr. Shabbir, after holding his patience for two plus years, and given them enough warning to refrain, he  is only showing them their scriptures and asking them whether they know about it or if they can explain them?   If being attacked and requested not to do so, you can only take so much!   You don't have to resort to filthy and abusive language to make a point. However, if your scriptures are public property, any body is free to quote from them.   We don't have a preacher class in Islam. We are all supposed to invite others to the straight way according to our capacity.   If you believe you are on the right track, then you should be man enough to defend it if attacked, like you are doing now.   Have a nice day!   Mubashir     From: Ahumanb [mailto:ahumanb@yahoo.com] When you can't defend your religion with logic, rationality, science, and common sense, it becomes mythology! LOL! Is this a cheap way to escape the fact! Why don't your priests and purohits then announce worldwide that your religion is nothing but a set of mythology? Why are they still trying to deceive gullible people like yourself?! --- On Mon, 7/13/09, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Mr. Mubashir, Its not, what I can stand and what I can't because I have no pride. People with False Pride and Fake Honor can't stand this or that because they forget one day they would become nothing but Dirt.   I keep silent, when obscenities are thrown at me by JehaaDi Moslims and Mollaas, not only when they are thrown at Prophet of Islam. Its not that I keep silent on Attacks by some Hindus, Non Moslims and others because my keeping silent is a Sin and I want to commit that Sin. Its that none of the Attackers were Preachers of their religions and Dr. Shabbir is an authentic Preacher of Islam, who distributes the books that he has written, free.   I asked him a question and his anwer is, he is not a Saint. Now I have another question for him and that is. ...   "Where does in Qoraan or Hadith it says a Preacher of Islam has to be a Saint if he does not take to using obscsenities, foul language and devulges in Pornographic stuff of other religions just inspite of people of other religions doing the same?"   Clearly, Dr. Shabbir is out of line because no good Moslim is allowed to say anything against Dieties of other religions, may they be of Hindu Religion according to Shriyah Law that you people want to impose on all Moslims of the world even in Non Moslim Countries. What I'm finding is, Preachers of Islamic Shriyah do not know, what Islamic Shriyah is.   Answer to other question he has raised is, Hindu Religion is so ancient that it has become a Mytholody. Islam is moving in that direction itself if Logic and Reason does not prevail and you people keep insisting that every word of Qoraan is for till Eternity, when you already know, how many of its verses have become obsolete.   Do you see me answering attacks on Personal Life the Prophet likewise attacking Hindu Dieties like Dr. Shabbir has? The job of a Preacher is to just preach Islam and not only him but Moslim is allowed use of foul language, obscenities and attacking Dieties of other religion at all according to Shriyah Law. You are not supposed to answer if someone uses foul language of obscenities according to Shriyah Law. My question is, why are you so far away from Basics of Islam that you people do not know all this? --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Moby Inayet <mubashir@rogers.com> wrote: So, Turkman, with his selective memory, does not appreciate the books being quoted are Hindu Scriptures?? Deal with the message Turkman and don't shoot the messenger who could not take any more attacks on his faith for more than two years and when you were quiet!! Sorry, you asked for it. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Mubashir From: drshabbir@bellsouth.net [mailto:drshabbir@bellsouth.net] Sir, Shabbir is no saint and he is only quoting from their books. Tell me where the Sewage Rat has disappeared. He had been reviling the noble ones for two years. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Why God Brahma is not worshiped anymore       G  God Brahma had non-stop one week of thrusty and pushy intercourse with his own daughter Sarswati. Although Sarswati enjoyed it but Brahma's pooja will bring curse to the pujaris, the Mandir, and the whole town.      And even Sita, in the more authentic versions of the Ramayana, was the sister of Rama. ("Secrets of My Scripture" by Bal Ganga Dhar Tilak) -- www.ourbeacon.com www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1 http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?   -------------- Original message from S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>: -------------- I had no idea, the saintly Preacher of Islam Dr. Shabbir was also in to Pronographic Literature. Is this, how your Prophet had taught you to preach Islam ...?  He must be going senile. --- On Sun, 7/12/09, drshabbir@bellsouth.net <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote: Sita told Rama, "You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution." Sita also told Rama "You are IMPOTENT, and lack in manly manners and charm" and she called her husband a BUDDHOO (Foolish simpleton). As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more and more by the minute. Ravan stripped Sita naked and rubbed and  rode her soft white body with his hands, feet and the Cobra like ORGAN. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54). -- www.ourbeacon.com www.youtube.com/DrShabbir1 http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl?   -------------- Original message from Ahumanb <ahumanb@yahoo.com>: -------------- Mr. Devdas, Are you trying to convert us to Brahminism aka Hinduism? Do you want us to believe that the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Gita, Upanishadas, Manusmirity, etc. books are the revelation from God? Do you want us to start burning our innocent widows alive? Do you want us to treat our fellow humans in general and women in particular like slaves and animals? Do you want us to kill our newborn daughters? Do you want us to start talking dowry from brides? Do you want us to believe that the souls of terrorists, criminals, and mass murderers will be transformed to animals and plants for punishment? And this is called the doctrine of reincarnation? Do you want us to worship Man Gods, Monkey God, Elephant head God, Rat Gods, Snake Gods, etc? Which caste do you want us to convert to, btw? SMR:   Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Ghulam Azam - a leader in Language Movement (a brief history)

Can I legalize someone's crime be it rape or whatever? How? And why i should be treated as a criminal for someone else's crime? or If I issue a fatwa for or against a crime, then am i complicit about the crime? I don't think so.

I believe no body would been raped or killed if the then pakistan was not attacked by a foriegn country. do we not require an UN resolution to attack a country for whatever reason? If we don't have an UN resolution does it not make the war itself illegal? If without an UN resolution, one country attacks another country, does not make the war itself illegal, then i think, a fawta from a person does not make him complicit for another persons crime. Not at all. How can we be selective about the war's legality issue and go about define a person's immoral support for someone's crime and call him war-criminal?

I think Mosa's selective dilemma of calling someone "war criminal" while vicdicating the war as legal when an UN resolution was lacking. Just because, Iraqis were lucking freedom but war for iraqi freedom does not make that war itself legal. war of Iraqi freedom is the best example can be drawn in place of war of bangladeshi freedom. Both the war was illegal since the both war was lacking UN resolutions.

JU's BAL's student wing had celebrated rape century during BAL's reign, how can i be a crimal if i take side(as all BAL had supported that guy's crime) with the guy who had raped his fellow students? I might be an immoral person for supporting the rape century, but I m being immoral, does not constitute a crime for me and hence i should not be held responsible for other's crime and labeling me as a war-criminal, makes Mr. Mosa a criminal for calling me a criminal.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@...> wrote:

The question is how did this man Ghulam Azam become a hardcore war
criminal in 1971? I will always remember him for his evil fatwa where he tried to legalize the Pakistani Army's wholesale rapes as "Mutah marriage". Thank Allah, not many people are inhuman like him.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A brief history of Language Movement (Bhasa Andolon)
> >
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> > Early stages of the movement 1947:
> > After the partition of India in 1947, Bengali-speaking peoples in East
> Pakistan (also known as East Bengal) made up 44 million of the
> newly-formed Pakistan's 69 million people. Pakistan's government, civil
> services, and military, however, were dominated by West Pakistanis. In
> 1947, a key resolution at a national education summit in Karachi
> advocated Urdu as the sole state language, and its exclusive use in the
> media and in schools. Opposition and protests immediately arose.
> Students from Dhaka rallied under the leadership of Abul Kashem, the
> secretary of Tamaddun Majlish (Tamaddun Majlish was an Islamic cultural
> organization in East Bengal. Tamddun Majlish was the founder of the
> historic Language Movement, a Bengali Islamic cultural organisation).
> Ghulam Azam was the General Secreatry of DUCSU from 1947 to 1949.
> >
> > Agitations of 1948:
> > Students of the University of Dhaka and other colleges of the city
> organised a general strike for 11 March 1948 to protest the omission of
> Bengali from official use, including coins, stamps and recruitment tests
> for the navy. The movement restated the demand that Bengali be declared
> an official language of Pakistan. Political leaders such as Ghulum Azam,
> Shamsul Huq, Shawkat Ali, Kazi Golam Mahboob, Oli Ahad, Sheikh Mujibur
> Rahman, Abdul Wahed and others were arrested during the rallies. Rally
> leader Mohammad Toaha was hospitalised after attempting to snatch a
> rifle from a police officer. Student leaders, including Abdul Matin and
> Abdul Malek Ukil took part in the procession. DUCSU General Secretary
> Ghulam Azam was arrested on March 11 1948 from T.T Office along with 10
> to 12 students.
> >
> > As a DUCSU General Secretary, Ghulam Azam presented the Historic
> Memorandum to then Prime Minister Liakat Ali Khan on Nov 27 1948 on the
> Gymnesium ground, Dhaka on behalf of the students of the Dhaka
> University.
> >
> > In the afternoon of 11 March, a meeting was held to protest police
> brutality and arrests. A group of students marching towards the chief
> minister Khawaja Nazimuddin's house was stopped in front of the Dhaka
> High Court. The rally changed its direction and moved in the direction
> of the Secretariat building. Police attacked the procession injuring
> several students and leaders including A. K. Fazlul Huq, DUCSU GS Ghulam
> Azam et el. Continuing strikes were observed from 12 March to 15 March.
> Under such circumstances, the chief minister Nazimuddin signed an accord
> with the student leaders agreeing to some of the terms and conditions,
> without complying to the demand that Bengali be made a state language.
> > In the height of civic unrest, Governor-General of Pakistan Muhammad
> Ali Jinnah arrived in Dhaka on 19 March 1948. On 21 March, at a civic
> reception at Racecourse Ground, he claimed that the language issue was
> designed by a "fifth columnFifth column (A fifth column is a group of
> people who :wikt:clandestine undermine a larger group, such as a nation,
> to which it is regarded as being loyal....") to divide Pakistani
> Muslims. Jinnah further declared that "Urdu, and only Urdu" embodied the
> spirit of Muslim nations and would remain as the state language,
> labelling those who disagreed with his views as "Enemies of Pakistan".
> Jinnah delivered a similar speech at Curzon Hall (Curzon Hall Curzon
> Hall is part of the school of science of the University of Dhaka. Curzon
> Hall meant to be a town hall, was named after Lord Curzon, the Viceroy
> of India, who laid its foundation in 1904....) of the University of
> Dhaka on 24 March. At both meetings, Jinnah was interrupted
> > by large segments of the audience. He later called a meeting of a
> state language committee of action, and overruled the contract that was
> signed by Khawaja Nazimuddin with the student leaders. Before Jinnah
> left Dhaka on 28 March, he delivered a speech on radio reasserting his
> "Urdu-only" policy.
> >
> > What happened after the Language Movement?
> > Awami Muslim League changed its name under the auspices of Seikh
> Mujibur Rahman and The Awami Muslim League turned over to Bengali
> nationalism (Bengali nationalism is the political expression of
> ethno-national consciousness of the Bengali people, who inhabit the
> ethno-linguistic region of Bengal....). after the Movement, and shed the
> word "Muslim" from its name. This nationalist approach of the party led
> to alienation of leaders such as Golam Azam, as political leader, who
> were supportive of the Muslim activism rather than the nationalist
> approach. Leaders like Bhasani and many Muzzaffar Ahmad scattered away
> from Awami Muslim League and formed other political parties - National
> Awami Party (NAP).
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> > From: Sybase SQL
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> > Hey dalal when he was such a great? Can u mention the date and time?
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> > Thank you.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Zakir Hossain
> >
> > -
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> > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
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> > These are facts, no fiction!
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> > As a student leader of the Dhaka University Professor Ghulam Azam was
> directly involved with our Language movement from the very beginning of
> the independence of Pakistan from the British. He was General Secretary
> of Dhaka University Central Students Union (DUCSU).
> >
> >
> >
> > For the cause of language he was arrested on March 11 1948 from T.T
> Office along with 10 to 12 students. He is the man who presented the
> Historic Memorandum to the then Prime Minister of the Pakistan Mr.
> Liakat Ali Khan on Nov 27 1948 at the Gymnesium ground, Dhaka on behalf
> of the students of the Dhaka University.
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1946-47 he became the General Secretary of Fazlul Huq Muslim Hall,
> polling the highest votes. Twice he was elected General Secretary of
> DUCSU ( Dhaka University Central Students' Union) in 1947-48 and
> 1948-49. He was the first DUCSU G.S. in the post Independent era.
> >
> >
> > Some people wanted to vilify Azam, but, surely they do not want accept
> his contribution in Language Movement, which seeded the Independence
> movement.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets set the record straight!
> >
>

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RE: [mukto-mona] Why the facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize are kept secret?

Let's face it: Tagore was not just another Poet; he had a divine power, and those verses that came out of his mind seem to be emanating from a divine source. He was a Saint and a messenger from divinity. If he were from the earlier era, he could be considered as a messenger from God, just like Jesus or Moses. I can bet, even Nobel Committee did not fathom the depth of his literary prowess. Whatever it was, they came to the right decision. That's all important now. They could have missed the opportunity, as Bengali literature was regional at that time. He was the first one to internationalize the Bengali literature.   What difference does it make it he was not given the Nobel Prize? It would simply diminish the credential of the Nobel Committee.     --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Why the facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize are kept secret? To: "mukto mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:42 PM Tagore died in 1941 and extensive research has been done on his life, times and works. I believe that his life was one of the most open one in all respect. But time to time people do raise questions about him and finally all controversies, if there is any, merges into one that is into his greatness. But the questions raised by this correspondent on Tagore's Nobel Prize is interesting. Is it to belittle the poet or to question his fitness to be honored as a Nobel laureate? I hope learned Mukto Mona members will answer this question.   Regards Akbar Hussain     To: mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com From: doulah@doulah. com Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:14:22 +0000 Subject: [mukto-mona] Why the facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize are kept secret? Rabindranath Tagore was the greatest of all great Bengali writers. But it is sad to note that the learned Bengali readers and writers kept many facts about Tagore's winning of Nobel Prize in 1913 are kept secret. Some such facts are given below: A. Rabindranath Tagore was more than many Nobel Laureates. But his winning of the Nobel Prize was a political consolation for the Hindu terrorist movements launched in Bengal in the early days of the20th century. B. Rabindranth Tagore was not the recommendation of the Nobel Committee. The Nobel Committee named somebody else. The name of Rabindranath Tagore was not even in the short list of the Nobel Committee. C. Rabindranth Tagore was awarded the Nobel Prize neither as a Bengalee nor as an Indian. He was awarded the prize as an "Anglo-Indian" . D. Rabindranth Tagore never made any so-called prize receiving speech. E. Rabindranth Tagore only sent a two line accepting message. F. The prize was accepted by the British Ambassador and it was delivered to the poet in Calcutta. G. It appears from the information, now available, that Rabindranath Tagore was awarded Nobel Prize in consideration of his successful attempt to intermingle the Christian-Indian philosophy. I shall very much welcome exact and objective reply from the esteemed readers of this Group. A.B.M. Shamsud Doulah G.P.O. Box 351 Dhaka-1000 Email: shamsuddoulah@ yahoo.com Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! Learn how!

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