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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Mohammad Amin on The System of Training in Madrasas

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As the Varnish decays, the real appearance of a furniture is exposed. That
applies to human being also. At last Yogi Sikander is translating articles
which, in his opinion, are god sent materials to human being. If he had
studied a little bit more, he could find out that everything 'revealed' was
actually derived from the contemporary Nestorian and Jewish traditions.


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[mukto-mona] I want to thank and applaud Mr. Pintu Kanungoe and Subimal Chakrabarty for being two of the rare voices of sanity and conscience

I want to thank and applaud Mr. Pintu Kanungoe and Subimal Chakrabarty for being two of the rare voices of sanity and conscience on this forum. They understand that the ultimate value of any discourse lies not in establishing the abstract "truth" or falsehood of a philosophy or belief system but in what it means for the lives of human beings.  Subimal, your Vidyasagar example was particularly apt. I, or anybody else, could not have articulated a better argument or come up with a better example.
 
Some of our friends (yes I consider them my friends; this is my favorite "McCainism") on this forum seem so fixated on the "truth" of their unsavory view of a particular religion that they have become totally unaware of the illogic of the arguments they espouse.  They spurn even well-intentioned attempts to curb and marginalize extremist tendencies within that religion because that might put that religion in a positive light.  Talk about getting one's priorities mixed up!  They are not aware (or seem to have forgotten) that religion has meaning only in how it impacts human lives. Even if a particularly lousy religion can be interpreted and espoused in way that makes its followers better human beings, we should all applaud such efforts.
 
For my aforementioned friends, a little more reflection and shall I say, a little less bigotry, might be in order.  That might even help them become "rational," "secular" and "humanist." 
 
"Murkher dal tobe shono,
Manush eneche grontho,
Grontho aneni manush kono."
 
- Kazi Nazrul Islam
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Is there a Muslim mindset?

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Dear Akbar Bhai
I am speaking of an average god fearing kid of any religion. Be it a
Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, or any other religion. As higher
percentage of Muslims believe in religion, they have to spend more time
learning their faith. Only recently they are learning to throw the shackle
away. Any literature is o.k. to learn, but being trapped by it is bound to
have its consequence. Since the time of the Abbasides, Ijtihad was banned
and fall was bound to happen.

Among the Christian tribes, look at the progress of the Protestants compared
with the Catholics, or the Orthodox, and the harm done by the dogmatic
religion will be evident.

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[mukto-mona] Re: Fareed Zakaria argues to drop Palin from the VP ticket!

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Mr. Zakaria is absolutely right about Sarah Palin. However, it took
Zakaria over a month to come to this sordid conclusion. You may
remember well that I complained about Srah Palin right from the
beginning. In my first article about her I called Gov. Palin a
political neophyte. My prediction came very true.

If Sarah Palin grossly underperforms in Thursday's nationally
televised report, then there will be an intense pressure on McCain to
dump her from the ticket.

McCain had consulted no one about his selection of Sarah Palin as the
running mate. This goes to show what kind of visionary leader he is!

As the day goes by it is becoming increasingly clear who the next
president is going to be. It seems as if Mr. Sintangshu Guha will
have to take back his words. At one time he boisterously told Mukto-
mona that eventually McCain will be the next president of America.

Some of us here in Mukto-mona made some prediction about Obama. In
February 2008 in the aftermath of Iowa primary we said that Obama
will eventually receive the nomination. That prediction came true
after a bitter fight.

As per polls and the electoral maps are shaping out Obama may win
about 300 or more electoral votes. Also, Democrats will get a few
more senators. This will allow them to boot out Senator Joe
Lieberman from the caucus. Lieberman's cardinal sin was to address
the St. Paul convention where he lambasted Senator Obama.

The voters' rebellion is in the making. I have lived in the U.S. for
nearly four decades to know one thing and that is how Americans vote
in the presidential election. The Democrats are going to have a
field day on November 4, 2008.

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Re: [mukto-mona] As per translation of Yogi Sikand

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Tabliq is the recruiting branch that feeds cadres into all other Islamic fronts, such as Jamat-e-Islami, al-Qaeda, etc. Steve Emerson, the executive director of investigative projects on terrorism,  has correctly characterized Jihadists into three groups - Militant, Cultural, and Political. According to his characterization, Tabliqis are the cultural Jihadists, Jamatis are the political Jihadists, and al-Qaedas are the militant Jihadists. The cultural and political Jihadists can become the militant Jihadists, when needed. Their ultimate goal is to lead the Ummah to establish Dar al-Islam in the world through cultural, political, and military means.


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[ALOCHONA] Good one! Matt Taibbi on Sarah Palin

 

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[mukto-mona] Sexual forays of Guru involved in California Textbook controversy


Here's some more on the Vedic Foundation Guru involved in attempts to saffronize the California school textbooks. I am also posting further below official denial pr of these charges by Barsana Dham.
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BARSANA DHAM TEMPLE
Women say temple gurus made sexual advances
Religious group denies accounts of intimate contact with two spiritual leaders.

By Eric Dexheimer
AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Saturday, September 27, 2008

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Because of a history of reader response that overwhelmingly violated our standards for appropriate commentary, we have removed the option to post reactions to this story. — The Editors

Sexual advances from the two spiritual gurus of the Barsana Dham temple were a part of life for some women who lived on, or frequently visited, the ashram south of Austin, according to the recollections of five women who spent a collective 60 years living, working and worshipping at the Hindu temple.

The intimate contact between the gurus — Prakashanand Saraswati, known as Shree Swamiji, and his spiritual master, Maharajji Kripalu, also called Kripalu — and some women on the ashram was known and accepted among other devotees, added the women, who all said they experienced the advances firsthand. Many of the incidents they recounted occurred years before: The latest with Prakashanand was a decade ago; with Kripalu, in 2003. All of the women have since quit the organization.

The organization did not make the gurus available for comment. But temple representatives vigorously denied the accusations, suggesting they were part of an orchestrated plan to disparage the organization by disgruntled ex-devotees. Ashram director Kathleen Williams called the women's recollections "preposterous" and insisted that the incidents did not happen.

The women's claims come five months after Prakashanand was indicted in Hays County on 20 counts of indecency with a child, and a little over a year after Kripalu was charged with rape in the West Indies country of Trinidad and Tobago. The charges against Kripalu were later dropped for lack of evidence.

The charges against Prakashanand, filed in April, stem from incidents in 1993 and 1995, according to a Hays County grand jury indictment, in which two women accused the guru of repeatedly groping them when they were teenagers living at the Austin ashram. He has pleaded not guilty.

Peter Spiegel, another ashram director, said the allegations by the five women were ignited by the recent headlines and were from a small group of people attempting to "disrupt" Barsana Dham. "I've never seen Swamiji do anything remotely related to these false allegations," he said. "Maharajji Kripalu is always surrounded by multiple people. I've never heard anybody make any claim of sexual impropriety. I believe these allegations are complete fabrications."

In recent years, Prakashanand, who travels widely, has visited the Austin ashram four or five times a year, staying for two weeks to a month at a time. He was last in Austin a month ago. Kripalu keeps a home in a temple in Mangarh, in central India. He was last at the Austin ashram in spring 2007.

The women who spoke to the American-Statesman requested anonymity because they feared reprisal from the Hindu organization. The paper typically does not publish the names of people alleging sexual exploitation.

Some of the behavior described by the women would not be considered criminal because it occurred between consenting adults. A few of the incidents might have been considered assaults, although the statute of limitations has since passed in most of the cases. Texas law also includes a provision in which a "clergyman" can be charged for having sex with someone by "exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser," although it is unclear if that would apply in these instances.

One woman, today a California resident, said she tried to interest lawyers in her story. But because the incident she recalled occurred in India and there was no physical evidence, she said she couldn't find an attorney to represent her.

Barsana Dham is part of a larger Hindu organization called Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat, or JKP, that was founded around Kripalu, who is considered God-realized, or a living, saint by his followers. It claims tens of thousands of followers and has a half-dozen large temples, all, except for Barsana Dham, in India.

Barsana Dham is one of the largest Hindu worship centers in the United States. Hundreds of worshippers, many drawn from Central Texas' South Asian community, attend weekly services. Major Hindu festivals can attract thousands of people to the site.

The women who spoke to the Statesman represent a small subset of that membership. Part of an inner circle that typically lived at the ashram and spent many hours on-site praying and performing volunteer service for the organization, they had regular contact with the gurus when the men were there. At Barsana Dham, the vast majority of people in this group are not Indian.

Barsana Dham is mounting an aggressive legal defense of Prakashanand and the ashram's reputation, hiring several lawyers and a public relations firm. Supporters note that the accusations of improper conduct were brought many years after the reported offenses. They describe the 79-year-old Prakashanand and Kripalu, now 85, as pious and grandfatherly men incapable of the acts alleged. Some supporters have suggested that the women accusing them of inappropriate behavior are after the organization's money.

But the women, who range in age from their late 20s to mid-50s, said they have struggled with their experiences and are telling their stories in light of the charge that Prakashanand groped children. One said she is in therapy to try to understand what happened. All said they have experienced emotional upheaval, shame and embarrassment. Several have formed an informal support group to help one another work through the recollections.

All the women say the incidents they recall are troubling because of the gurus' influential positions as teachers, spiritual guides and ashram leaders. The women compare the power imbalance in their relationships with that found in teacher/student or counselor/client liaisons.

Prakashanand "was supposed to be my guru," said one of the women. "Not my boyfriend."

Such intimate relationships also appear to violate the religion's own dogma. Prakashanand stressed abstinence for single adults and modest relations for married couples, former devotees recalled. His writings warn that sex can cause a worshipper to "fall from his devotions." Several of the women who questioned the advances, however, said they were told that the gurus were "gracing" them, or preparing them to realize God, by agreeing to be intimate with them.

Self-published histories of the temple explain that Prakashanand began preaching outside of India in the early 1970s. In 1981, he established the International Society of Divine Love, which purchased the 200-acre site off RM 1826 in northern Hays County in 1990 after a national search, settling on it because it resembled a holy place in India.

Early devotees describe the days creating the ashram as idyllic, a time of working together to plant gardens, build new structures and tend the land. The organization's name was changed to JKP-Barsana Dham in 2002. About 60 people live there now, a temple spokesman said.

Barsana Dham's religious practice revolves around twice-daily meditations on Radha-Krishna, a Hindu deity described as a combination of Lord Krishna and the love of his life, Radha. But the religion also stresses service and devotion to the spiritual masters, who are considered essential conduits to "gracing" devotees to enter God's divine presence, said Sannyasin Arumugaswami, managing editor of Hinduism Today.

Some former followers said that devotion was tested in May 2007, when Kripalu, who had finished a six-week stay at the Austin temple, was arrested and charged with raping a 22-year-old Guyanan woman in Trinidad and Tobago. Prosecutors later dropped the charges for what they said was lack of evidence.

It wasn't the first time Kripalu had been charged with a sex crime. Court documents from Nagpur, a city in central India, show that several women and girls accused the guru of assaulting them sexually between 1987 and 1991. Several said Kripalu had told them he was the incarnation of Krishna and was blessing them with the intimacy. The case has bounced around courts and appears to be still pending.

Woman No. 1 who spoke to the Statesman said she started following Prakashanand in the late 1980s after hearing him speak at a meeting in California. "It was mesmerizing," the woman, who at the time was married, recalled. "I was enamored of him."

She relocated to Austin after the land for the new ashram was purchased, and, she said, soon began a physical relationship with Prakashanand — a development she did not discourage and, until hearing of the Hays County charges filed against him based on the experience of the two girls, did not regret.

"It was just his nature to charm women," said the woman, who has since left the ashram and lives on the East Coast. She said their activities never progressed past kissing and fondling, and occurred about 15 times.

Other women who spoke to the Statesman described their interactions differently. Like many other JKP devotees, Woman No. 2 came to Barsana Dham from Transcendental Meditation, the spirituality-infused meditation technique made famous by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's connection to the Beatles, among other celebrities.

After 20 years, she said, she'd grown disillusioned with TM, and when a friend who had seen Prakashanand speak told her, "This is the real deal," she began following the guru. She moved to Texas from the Midwest soon after the International Society of Divine Love bought the Hays County property.

In the early 1990s, as the temple was still being built, No. 2 recalled, "I was dressed in a costume for a dance." Before the performance, she entered an old stone building on the property and walked upstairs to go to the bathroom.

The bathroom was next to Prakashanand's bedroom, she remembered. "As I came out, I saw him," she said. "I told him I was excited for that afternoon's program. He grabbed my hand and pulled me into the bedroom." The woman said Prakashanand pushed her back against the door and groped her breasts and buttocks before quickly leaving.

"I realized then that stuff like that might happen, and so tried to never be alone with him again," she said. She remained affiliated with the ashram for another 15 years.

Woman No. 3 said she experienced a similar event. She moved to Austin from the Pacific Northwest to follow Prakashanand. Leaving the ashram one day in the early 1990s, she entered the guru's bedroom to say goodbye. He grabbed her and pulled her down, kissing her and fondling her breasts, she said, adding that she broke away. She lived on the ashram for more than 15 years and said no similar event happened again.

Another woman, No. 4, lived on the ashram for more than a dozen years. She said she was called to Prakashanand's room many times as a young adult, where, she said, the guru would tell her to lock the door behind her, and then kiss and fondle her. She spent the night in his room, next to his bed, on several occasions, she said. In the middle of the night, she said, he would wake her up and fondle her.

The incidents occurred several dozen times over the course of two years, said the woman, who has since left and moved to the West Coast. She said she later drifted away from the ashram and vowed to keep the experiences to herself.

"You kind of assume it's over," she said. "But then we found out about the (rape) charges against Maharajji Kripalu in Trinidad.

"We thought we had been protecting people," she added. In August 2007, a group of women who'd lived on the ashram contacted Hays County authorities. The investigation into Prakashanand's relations with underage girls began soon after that, according to prosecutors.

Three of the five women also said they were groped by or watched Kripalu grope women during a ritual called pressing, considered an honor for devotees. In it, several women were invited into a darkened room to massage the guru's legs. One of the three said she performed oral sex on him.

The women said the pressing typically took place in a private room, where they stationed themselves alongside the holy man's legs, from thigh to foot. A helper dimmed the lights, and the women massaged the part of the leg in front of them.

A session lasted about 10 minutes, the women said, adding that Kripalu often was massaged several times a day during his Austin visits.

Woman No. 3 said that in a pressing session in the spring of 2007 she was stationed at Kripalu's thigh. "He started to nudge my hand closer, to his private area," she said. When she resisted, he did it again, she recalled.

Later during the holy man's visit, the same woman said, she observed another woman rubbing his genitals. Another time, she saw his hand inside a woman's blouse, fondling her. The women involved, she added, appeared to consent.

The former TM follower, No. 2, said she was willingly intimate with Kripalu in India, where all devotees are encouraged to visit. In the evenings, she recalled, the guru would retire to his bedroom and put on his sleeping clothes. Devotees — mostly women, she said — waited outside. After some time, Kripalu would open the door for several minutes while everyone yelled and cheered.

Once, after he closed his door, the woman recalled, a preacher approached her and said Kripalu wanted to see her in his room. When the woman asked what would happen, the preacher told her only to "be open to this; it will be like being with your husband," the woman remembered. She was told to cut her fingernails, not wear jewelry and bathe well.

Once inside his room, Kripalu quickly pulled her onto his bed, she said, and began tugging at her clothing to get under her shirt and, eventually, rub her privates. Later, she said, she performed oral sex on him.

When it was over, she said, the guru told her he loved her. "I felt it was the opportunity of a lifetime," she said.

Today, however, she said she feels betrayed. "We thought he was doing it all for us," she said. "That we were gross, and that he was coming down to our level, but that he wanted to share his divine love."

A fifth woman, a West Coast resident who never lived at Barsana Dham, said she was invited to massage Kripalu during a summer 2001 visit to the JKP temple in Mangarh. "I was told if I go there, he might do some personal things," she recalled. "Hugging and kissing."

Not certain she heard right, she said she decided not to go to him. But in December 2003, during another pilgrimage to the temple, she accepted an invitation to accompany a group of women into Kripalu's room. "They turned off the lights and closed the shutters, and I was told to stand next to him," she recalled. "He started groping me, feeling my privates." She pulled his hand away and quickly left the room.

When the woman returned to the United States, she said she confronted Prakashanand about the experience with Kripalu during one of his trips to California. "He told us that we'd received something special and profound from Maharajji, and that we couldn't understand," she recalled.

The woman said she contacted lawyers, who told her that because there was no physical evidence and because the incidents occurred in India, she had no case. She began writing letters and phoning other families within the organization to warn them.

Several families who had been closely involved with Barsana Dham for years confirmed that they left the organization in early 2004 after hearing the woman's story. Ray Sharma, a California real estate agent who had been heavily involved in Barsana Dham since 1997, helping arrange and sponsor Barsana Dham's temple programs in the San Francisco and Sacramento area, said he reversed course when he heard, and began calling local Hindu temples to warn them not to host guest programs for the ashram.

N. Kumar, a California devotee since 1992, had hosted prayer sessions at his home. "We were shocked," he said. "This is absolutely not acceptable in the religion, in India, in the culture."

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BARSANA DHAM TEMPLE
Barsana Dham foundation played role in California textbook debate
Group was concerned that depiction of Hinduism was not respectful.

By Eric Dexheimer
AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, September 28, 2008
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/09/28/0928vedic_FN.html

Due to a history of reader response that overwhelmingly violated our standards for appropriate commentary, we have removed the option to post reactions to this story. — The Editors

Three years ago, as California undertook a periodic revision of its middle school history textbooks, state education officials began receiving complaints that the passages about Indian culture and religion contained errors and misconceptions. Some of the mistakes identified were glaring — the textbooks' assertion that Hindi was written using Arabic script, for example.

But some of the issues were not so clear-cut, and soon arcane discussions about the Aryan Invasion theory and whether the caste system was sexist turned contentious, spilling into public view and pitting scholars against one another.

One of the organizations pushing for revisions was the Vedic Foundation, a little-known arm of Barsana Dham. The foundation was started in 2003, primarily to promote guru Prakashanand Saraswati's book "The True History and the Religion of India." Among other things, the book asserts that India and Hinduism are trillions of years old, and it blames scientists thinking with their "material minds" for discrepancies between modern science and Hindu texts.

The Vedic Foundation "was a prime mover in this campaign," recalled Anu Mandavilli, a spokeswoman for the San Jose, Calif.-based Friends of South Asia.

Ashay Ajgaonkar, a Barsana Dham member and spokesman for the Vedic Foundation, said it was drawn to the textbook battle by what members felt was a depiction of the religion that was not as respectful as accorded other faiths — the Hindu scriptures being referred to as "mythology," for example — and a concern that Hindu children who were forced to read them were losing self-esteem. Christian and Jewish groups also contacted the California Board of Education with grievances.

Together, the Vedic Foundation and an affiliated group, the Hindu Education Foundation, proposed several hundred changes. Much of the ensuing debate centered on a handful of sensitive historical questions.

The old textbooks stated that portions of Hinduism were introduced into India by outsiders — the so-called Aryan migration. The theory, supported by many modern researchers, is vigorously disputed by some Hindu national groups that insist India's primary religion is strictly homegrown.

The California textbooks also asserted that India's scriptures and caste system discriminated against women and lower classes. The Vedic Foundation contended the depiction focused too much on the negative — arguing, for example, that castes no longer played a major role in India because they had been officially outlawed. "Which is laughable to anyone who grew up in India," Mandavilli said.

In November 2005, Harvard University Professor Michael Witzel, a Sanskrit expert, submitted a letter to the California State Board of Education signed by 50 academics. In it, he noted that some of the changes proposed by the Vedic and Hindu Education foundations seemed more ideological than factual.

"There are ill-concealed political agendas behind these views that are well-known to researchers and tens of millions of non-Hindu Indians," he wrote.

In an interview, Witzel said the Vedic Foundation's view of Hinduism, which concentrates on Vishna, offered only a very narrow — and thus incomplete — version of the religion. "It would be as if the Southern Baptists purported to represent all of Christianity, from Ethiopia to Orthodox Russian," he said.

He added that his research showed the foundations' effort to influence California's textbooks was part of an orchestrated campaign to get the mention of Hinduism in school textbooks across the country altered.

Shiva Bajpai, a California State University-Northridge professor the state hired as a content review expert, said many of the Vedic Foundation's suggestions made sense. But "believers always have certain things they fervently believe in, but which are not historic," he added.

In March 2006, the state education board voted unanimously to approve textbook wording that rejected many of the changes to the textbooks the Vedic and Hindu Education foundations proposed.

A few of the more contentious items were hedged: the Aryan migration theory would henceforth be described as a disputed theory; and the Vedas would be referred to as sacred texts, not songs or poems, as originally stated.

Soon after the decision, another group, the Hindu American Foundation, sued the state to accept more of the proposed changes. The Vedic Foundation was not part of the lawsuit. In September 2006, the suit was resolved primarily in favor of the state.


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Barsana Dham Responds to Anonymous Allegations in Austin
American-Statesman Story

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/09/prweb1398484.htm

September 29, 2008

Hindu temple vehemently denies claims made by unnamed sources.

Austin, TX (PRWEB) September 29, 2008 -- JKP, Barsana Dham, a
non-profit, religious and charitable organization of the Hindu faith,
responded today to allegations made by unnamed sources in a story
published in the Austin American-Statesman.

Barsana Dham vehemently denies the claims made against its spiritual
leaders and expressed disappointment that the American-Statesman
published a story based on false and malicious allegations made by a
few anonymous people.

"Anyone who has met these two respected spiritual leaders knows that
these hurtful allegations are totally false," said Diwakari Devi,
president of Barsana Dham. "Jagadguru Shree Kripaluji Maharaj is 85
years old and Shree Swami Prakashanand Saraswati is almost 80. I
encourage people to take advantage of their profound spiritual
teachings while they still have the direct opportunity."

Jagadguru Shree Kripaluji Maharaj is revered around the world. His
ashrams, temples, schools and hospitals serve hundreds of thousands of
people. His talks are widely watched on Indian, Nepalese and American
television. When he speaks in a city, tens of thousands come for the
opportunity to be present during his epic discourses.

Shree Swamiji has dedicated his entire life to serving humanity,
upholding the tenets of the Hindu faith and guiding people to live a
life of devotion to God.

Founded in 1990 by H. D. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, the Barsana
Dham Temple and ashram complex serves as the national center of
Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat in the United States and is one of the
largest Hindu temples in North America. Barsana Dham is active in a
number of local and global charitable activities including housing
rehabilitation work in Central Texas, flood relief efforts for India,
and the ongoing support of charitable hospital in India.

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