[Attachment(s) from Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] included below]
I am hardly a nameless person. I have my friends as you have yours. The point is not that I need to know you to post my opinion in a forum. You as a Bahar means nothing to me but a hollow name, whom I would ever meet or shake hands. So, leave that BS.
If you are an intelligent man, you should answer the question that you, yourself have raised. Where did you get the fake Quran verses? Do you understand the question? Your academic degrees do not mean anything for this forum. How you make your points is far more important. Now, if you do not have anything else to say about your own question, put your tail between your hind legs and remove yourself from the discussion forum. Thank you.
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:58 PM, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
To this nameless De ELDERLY person, if I am a Madrassa educated molla, howcome I don't understand a word of Arabic but have learned about Islam from english translation of Islamic texts?
As always, I also use my real identity. On the otherhand, why this De Elder person doesn't provide us his real name (even after several requests)? Is it because he is working with some extremist groups in the West?
How many times I have to say to this person, shame on you?
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
I would not expect any intelligent answer from Bahar because he got no answer. Only thing he can do here is to play as an innocent victim and hope his input would be forgooten as some BS. Bahar's academic mind is polluted with poor Madrassa logic and he knows his limitation. Nobody has cited any false Quran yet. But, if Bahar thinks so, he should make his points clear or stay silent as many other gullible ignorants.-SDOn Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com> wrote:Here I am asking them again to take off my name from their list.
Since you have decided to quit this group there is no point discussing with you. Let you have some peace.
Nevertheless, you may decide to reply, if you wish.
You mentioned that the groups (ISIS and Mirza gang) use false Quran to spread the misinformation about Islam. Would you please show us which Quran they are quoting from.
I think you meant Daniel Pipes when you wrote 'Denial' Pipe. I would take as a spell error. So would you show us some proof of the money the Mirza gang has received from him.
There may be some truth that ISIS had been funded by Saudis and Qataris and UAE's and other dedicated Muslims. Now, ISIS's main revenue is from oil wells and perhaps from the sell inthe slaves markets of Mosul and a few other locations. In these markets they sale Christian and Yazidi women and as little as one year old for prices ranging from USD45 and USD172.
ISIS has posted an elaborate article justifying their re-introduction of Islamic slave trade---purely based on the Quran and Sharia and following Muhammad's examples.
Would you tell us how ISIS is contravening the Quran? How ISIS is contravening Muhammad's examples?
AK
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:58:19 -0500
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
From: abid.bahar@gmail.com
To: shahdeeldar@gmail.com
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My apology for not being clear about the issues in my brief note above. Surprisingly though, one person with a fake name
"DE ELDER" could understand what I wrote in my posting. It is as if like a blind man showing the rest of the people how to make sense of a puzzle that " the emperor has no clothes" on him. It is a miracle!!!
Now, let me clarify about the issues I raised in my posting: I was talking about two groups having a great deal of similarities. One is the Mirza gang in this forum and the other is the ISIS in the Middle East. Here I will outline their similarities only assuming that they might also have differences:
(1) To me both Mirza gang and the ISIS are politically conscious people and promoting their special agendas.
(2) Both are funded by foreign governments and special interest groups.
(3) We know the ISIS groups were originally brought together and funded by the Saudi, the Amirate and the USA. to fight against Asad government.
In the case of Mirza gang that leads an organized mafia community of Islamphobs is directly funded by Denial Pipe from USA. If I am wrong, please correct me. I call these efforts by these two groups resulting from their ignorance which ultimately breeds terrorism against Muslim people in general.
In the past, I had sent them several reminders to take off my name from their list but they seem to be committed to their mission of annoying us. Here I am asking them again to take off my name from their list.On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:04 AM, shahdeeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:I too could not make any head or tail of his post. I think, he meant to say that Muslims like him are great but ISIS and West are the problems. It is all done for the money? The man thinks the evils that have been perpetrated by groups like, Taliban, Bokoharam, Al-Quida, Brotherhood, Hamas and Laskar-e-Taibas of Pakistan are the Western manufactured products to dominate the Muslim countries. What else can this man say or do except bringing another conspiracy theory? The emperor has no clothes on him.-SDOn Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com> wrote:IGNORANCE CAN BREED TERRORISM
Like it was for the ISIS anti Muslim group, money was needed for their killing operations of innocent .......
Sorry, only the writer may understand what he means. I tried to understand the message but failed.
Are there better ways to make the message clearer?
AK
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:32:23 -0500
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
From: abid.bahar@gmail.com
To: abul88@hotmail.com
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Like it was for the ISIS anti Muslim group, money was needed for their killing operations of innocent people, and many countries provided that. In the same way, for the D Pipe anti Islamic converted extremist people here, money also seem to help them to develop prejudices about Muslims in non-Muslims by reducing Muslims of all rank and file members and their ideological orientations including their Prophet as being terrorists.On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com> wrote:No wonder PC master Secretary John Kerry says: Islam is the beautiful
Wonderful, John Kerry--
After you lose your job as Obama's side-kick, you will get the job of an Imam in a Saudi Arabis.
Saudis will love you--
AK
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:27:50 -0500
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
From: skmirza.mirza@gmail.com
To: msa40@aol.com
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Sent: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
To All:
Please see the attachment for your pleasure and enlightenment in the field of the great puzzle of this century. Westerners who can understand and see the shape of distant planet (situated thousands of light years away) which they can measure and describe it vividly but, they (especially David Cameron, Obama, etc) just can not fathom or understand at all the source of modern day's terrorism which are perishing/destroying thousands of innocent life daily basis. Attachment is one big truth (Picture of the year) drawn by an highly intelligent human being and posted it in FFI. Please don't blame me for this picture of the year. I did not make it. Please open the attachment to see this brilliant work by one western kaffir. Thanks.
SKM
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
American Muslims showing the way would be a great beginning!! The problem I see though whether Islam is reformable and people would be accepting the modernity and civility when the communities are already fragmented and going for each others' necks? Maybe, with money and muscle, American Muslims can capture the limelight but can they unite and guide the monsters of ISIS, Talebans and Boko-Haramis? The task is rather too tall for these blue-eyed (naive) Americans. I hope, I am wrong with my prognosis.-SD
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jamal Hasan <poplu@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Let Islamic Reform Start in AmericaWe must stop looking to the Middle East, where regressive religion and authoritarianism reign.By Salam Al-Marayati and Maher HathoutOct. 30, 2014 7:59 p.m. ET'Muslim communities in the West," wrote Graham Fuller and Ian Lesser in 1995 ("The Geopolitics of Islam and the West"), "are more likely to exert influence on their countries and cultures of origin rather than receive influences from them; over time they may have a substantive effect on the perceptions of secularization and minority rights in the Middle East."This shift—from the American Muslim community being perceived as foreign and an extension of the Middle East and South Asia to American Muslims instead influencing the East—is the direction in which Muslims are heading. Rampant authoritarianism in the Muslim world and the regression of Muslim religious establishments funded by the same autocratic governments currently make Islamic reform unlikely in the region.American Muslims can significantly contribute to the revival of Islam and restore human dignity as a central principle of the faith. From despotic regimes to religious extremism, authoritarianism in the Middle East and South Asia has devastated modern Islamic thought over the last few centuries. American Muslims have the freedom and the intellectual capacity to create positive change for Islamic reform.Muslims from the tri-state area gather on Madison Avenue in New York for the 29th annual American Muslim Parade in September. CorbisThere are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and their religion needs to be relevant for all of their lives. All religions and man-made philosophies go through reform and renewal. We Muslims must liberate ourselves from the shackles of dogmatic traditions such as sectarianism, tribalism, chauvinism and theocracy, all of which contradict Islamic ethics based in the Quran and the authenticated traditions of the Prophet Mohammed.The areas that need immediate attention for Islamic reform are: promoting good governance; protecting the rights of religious minorities and women; and marginalizing the ideology of compulsion. There was more discourse on the penal code and jurisprudence centuries ago, at the peak of Islamic civilization, when leaders focused on the spirit of the Islamic law, rather than on the absolute letter of the law.For example, within two decades after the Quranic revelation was complete in 632, the punishment for theft was suspended by Omar ibn al Khattab, the second successor to the Prophet, when the economy deteriorated and poverty was endemic. In this case, along with many others, a leader suspended a conditional Quranic instruction because of new circumstances. That thinking is needed now more than ever.As is well known, the human rights of women and religious minorities are violated in many Muslim countries. Communities that don't align with the ideology of the ruling power live in inhumane and oppressive conditions. In 2002 religious police in Saudi Arabia prevented girls from escaping a burning school in Mecca and 15 female students died. These men, members of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, would not allow the girls to escape the building because their head scarves were not completely covering their hair.This meant a rule trumped the protection of life, one of the five goals of Islamic law, the others being freedom of expression, freedom of religion, rights of family, and rights of property. The five goals are called the Maqaasid of Islamic law and are unanimously accepted by Islamic jurists. The Maqaasid needs to be given new life, and that can only happen in an environment of freedom and futuristic thinking. There is no Islamic ethics or morality achieved by religious police.This Saudi religious police force, similar to those in Iran and throughout South Asia, is a bastardization of a very important Islamic concept—Maslaha, or public interest. The verse in the Quran related to Maslaha refers to the promotion of social benefit, defined by the Maqaasid and known by the people as human decency, and the prevention of public harm. Religious policing is rooted in the ideology of compulsion. It is a distortion of that valuable understanding of public interest in any nation's jurisprudence or executive authority.American Muslims have looked to the Middle East for religious authority, for spiritual direction and, at times, for political priorities. We must end this practice by declaring that any country or group claiming to be Islamic must uphold the most important principle in Islam, protecting life rather than destroying it.Any country that kills its own people, persecutes religious minorities and subjugates women is anathema to American Muslims. They can call themselves angels, but they cannot camouflage their evil under a religious veneer. Islam liberated us from the shackles of religious tyranny, and we will struggle to liberate ourselves by declaring our independence from the tyrants and clerics who have usurped authority and religion in claiming sovereignty over Muslims world-wide.Mr. Al-Marayati is president and Dr. Hathout is senior adviser of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 20:15:15 -0500
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
From: skmirza.mirza@gmail.com
To: abul88@hotmail.com
Dear Abul Kasem,
Many thanks for your meaningful yet more funny and appropriate comment for the muslims in general and particularly those pukka jihadi muslims of Pakistan, the land of Allah's pure Islamic zombies of the world.
No wonder PC master Secretary John Kerry says: Islam is the beautiful religion: http://pamelageller.com/2014/10/kerry-islamic-jihad-exploits-a-legitimate-and-beautiful-religion.html/
Also, ISIS Jihadists boast of selling captive women as concubines. Muslims during Prophetic time did it, so it must be a holy profession indeed! Please read more by clicking below:
SKM
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just as plants need water to survive and grow. Islam needs blood to flourish--thus it needs the Karbala blood. After a drench in blood Islam sprouts a new life. Just as we take shower.
It is not the blood of the infidels. It is the bloodshed among Muslims. This is called the Brotherhood of Islam--that is, Muslims kill each other for the tree of Islam to grow.
This is my understnading when some Muslims foolishly say
Islam zinda hota hai har karbala kay baad
I have never heard any words more callous and dim-witted than these.
AK
To: skmirza.mirza@gmail.com
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
From: msa40@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 21:11:02 -0500
Al-Quran: 34.26:"Say: Our Lord will gather us together, then will He judge between us with the truth; and He is the greatest Judge,the All-knowing."LOL=Lots of Love.Mohammad Asghar-----Original Message-----
From: Syed Mirza <skmirza.mirza@gmail.com>
To: Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 2, 2014 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Mr Asghar said: Pakistani Muslims often say in Urdu: "Islam zinda hota hai har karbala kay baad"
The answer is very simple. Islam is the religion of peace! Therefore, Islam only gets its life back when war and killings like Karbala battle starts. That is, Islam needs bloods to get its life. That is why Muslims love to fight and kill only to achieve Islamic peace. ISIS is doing exactly that--fighting and killing left and right, plundering,beheading, raping and enslaving women, converting, and ethnic cleansing and what not?Look what happened in Pakistan today. Just one jihadi suicide bomber killed at least 60 Pakistani muslim hypocrites and injured over 200 more Muslim hypocrites ( Muslim hypocrites are those who do not support pukka (pure) muslims in their holy jihad).
Watch this most sensational video about the birth of ISIS:
Thank you very much.
SKM
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:
Pakistani Muslims often say in Urdu:Islam zinda hota hai har karbala kay baadRough translation: Islam revives itself every time an event like that of Karbala takes place.I don't know how the Muslim and non-Muslim scholars from all over the world "interpret" the above slogan.Can anyone help?Mohammad Asghar-----Original Message-----
From: Syed Mirza <skmirza.mirza@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 5:37 am
Subject: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
PHOTOS: Islamic State publicly beheading Syrian citizens charged with insulting Islam
Please click to the URL below to see more actions of ISIS beheading Islamically:
ISIS justifies enslavement of non-muslim women as sex salves (Concubines). Please read the hair-raising story of Islamic enslavement and concubines by clicking to the URL below:
CNN news: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/12/world/meast/isis-justification-slavery/index.html?iref=allsearch
Jihadists are joining ISIS from 80 different countries: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.623792
Islamic Terror campaign is in full-swing in Syria and Iraq the Caliphate of Abu Bakr Al-Bagdadi and his jihadi gangs are winning by Islamic Terror campaign Just the way Prophet of Islam won in Medina in 7th century.
Bukhari: 4852:220: "Allah's Apostle (Prophet Muhammad) said, "I have been made victorious with terror"
Quran 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the Hearts of the Unbelievers"
Obama's fake anti-jihadi campaign is losing the battle miserably. Because, muslims around (not the govt. of course) the world in general, are giving big moral supports to these ISIS jihadis and entire Arab world are clandestinely financing the ISIS vigorously. Allah also blessing these jihadis big time.
Undoubtedly Muslims living in the western comfort will condemn actions of ISIS jihadists and will say: all these actions of ISIS are Un-islamic, but NO ONE will condemn the terrorism-inspiring teachings of the Quranic verses 9:111, 9:29, 9:5, 47:4, 5:33, 8:12 and others.
The reality is: the Quran and Islam are massive hate mines. Islam preaches hatred of Christians, Jews and all other kafirs (Jews are apes and pigs, Quran 2:63-65; 5:59-60; 7:166), and urges Muslims to unleash violent Jihad to exterminate them if they refuse to submit to the supremacy of Islam.
I urge all readers to read the Koranic stuffs in the above hyper linkings, and you be the judge please! Please don't blame me for creating these hateful Koranic verses! Thanks for today.
Sincerely,
SKM
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