[mukto-mona] Re: Blasphemy Riots in Bangladesh: 'Offend Me And I'll Kill You' [ YouTube]

This is what I wrote on April 11, 2013:

"Much of the Muslim population of the world needs to bring their minds into a state of reasoning, sensibility and civilization. For example, one group calls itself Hifazat-e-Islam (protectors of Islam). Aren't they committing the most serious form of insult on Allah and Mohammad? By branding themselves as `protectors of Islam' aren't they implying that Allah is not mighty enough to protect himself and his prophet? For the most striking example for Bangladesh, much of the genocide of 1971 in that land was done by brainwashed hateful minds to `protect Islam'."

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=2019

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--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@...> wrote:
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॥ পঞ্চম কিস্তি ॥

লন্ড্রি থেকে কাপড়চোপড় এনে, খোশ দিলে বিরিয়ানি খেয়ে বাবুনগরী, জুনায়েদীরা গাড়ি করে দ্বিপ্রহরে শাপলা চত্বরে পৌঁছান। অন্যদিকে, এতিমখানা ও মাদ্রাসা থেকে, ঢাকা শহরে দেখানো, ক্ষমতায় গেলে তারা যা খুশি করতে পারবে, ইসলাম কায়েমের তারা হবে সেনানি- এসব প্রলোভন দেখিয়ে আনা তালেবএলেমরা রৌদ্র বৃষ্টি উপেক্ষা করে দীর্ঘ পথ হেঁটে শাপলা চত্বরে পৌঁছায়। গতবার তাদের জন্য বিরিয়ানি, ফল-মূল, পানি ছিল। এখন সে সব কিছু না দেখে তারা ক্ষুব্ধ হয়। বিরিয়ানি খেয়ে পান চিবুতে চিবুতে বাবুনগরীরা তালেবএলেমদের শহীদ হওয়ার আহ্বান জানায় বার বার। নাস্তিক সরকারকে উৎখাত করে হয় তারা শহীদ হবে নয় গাজী হবে। একদিকে বাবুনগরীদের নির্দেশে শহরের একদিকে ধ্বংসযজ্ঞ চালানো হচ্ছিল অন্যদিকে তারা প্রায় লাখখানেক লোক মজুদ রাখছিলেন রিজার্ভ ফোর্স হিসেবে। কিন্তু, সঙ্গে সঙ্গে আরেকটি বিষয় লক্ষণীয়, শহরের অন্যপ্রান্তে আমি রাত ৯টা পর্যন্ত ঘুরে দেখেছি, দোকানপাট খোলা, রাস্তাঘাটে মানুষজন, সব স্বাভাবিক। এর অর্থ কি এই যে, শহরের অনেকে এই সব নিয়ে চিন্তিত নন? পুরো বিষয়টিই কিন্তু কেমন অস্বাভাবিক ঠেকেছে। 
সৈয়দ আশরাফের ঘোষণার পর সুর করে বাবুনগরীরা বলতে থাকেন, 'আশরাফ আগামীকাল কোন্ পথ দিয়ে পালাবে তা ঠিক করো।' হেজাবিরা তো নিশ্চিত যে, তারা ক্ষমতায় যাচ্ছে। তাই ক্ষমতার দম্ভে নানা ধরনের উপহাস করছিলেন। এবং বাচ্চা 'জেহাদী'দের উন্মত্ত করে গাছ কাটা, ফুটপাথ তুলে ফেলা, ল্যাম্পপোস্ট উপড়ে ফেলার কাজে লাগাচ্ছিলেন। খেলায় যাকে ওয়ার্ম আপ বলে সে রকমভাবে নিরাপত্তা রক্ষীদের বিরুদ্ধে 'লড়াই' করার জন্য তাদের প্রস্তুত করছিলেন। 
পুলিশ হেজাবিদের শান্তিপূর্ণ সমাবেশ করার অনুমতি দিয়েছিলেন এবং বিকেল পাঁচটার মধ্যে তাদের স্থান ত্যাগ করতে বলেছিলেন। এই শর্ত মেনে চুক্তিপত্র করেই হেজাবিরা সমাবেশ করছিলেন। যাঁরা কোরান পোড়ায় তাদের কাছে কথার বরখেলাপ কোন ব্যাপারই নয়। এবং ঠিকই দেখা গেল, হেজাবি নেতারা ঘোষণা করলেন, তাঁরা নড়বেন না। তাদের আল্লামা শফীর বক্তব্য না শুনে তারা নড়বেন না। আমরা যা অনুমান করছিলাম তাই ঠিক হলো। শুধু সমাবেশ নয়, তাঁরা চারদিকে তখনও আগুন লাগাচ্ছিলেন। ১৯৭১ সালে পাকিস্তান সেনাবাহিনী যেভাবে পোড়ামাটি নীতি গ্রহণ করেছিল হেজাবিরাও তাই করেছিলেন। হেজাবিদের প্রায় সব নেতা ১৯৭১ সালে হানাদার পাকিদের সহযোগী শক্তি হিসেবে কাজ করেছেন। পোড়ামাটি নীতি তাঁরা সেখান থেকে শিখেছিলেন। সরকার হেজাবিদের ধমকির বিরুদ্ধে কোন পদক্ষেপই নিতে পারছিল না। বাবুনগরীরা ক্ষমতা দখলে আস্থাবান ছিলেন একটি কারণেÑ তা'হলো, হাটহাজারী, লালবাগ ও লালখান বাজারে জঙ্গী ট্রেনিং দেয়া হয়। শাহরিয়ার কবিরের চলচ্চিত্রে দেখানো হয়েছে, আহমাদ শফী ও ইজহারুল ইসলাম জঙ্গী প্রশিক্ষণের ব্যবস্থা করে আফগানিস্তানে বাংলাদেশী জঙ্গী পাঠিয়েছেন এবং সে জঙ্গী মারা গেলে তার নিঃস্ব পরিবারকে কোন সাহায্য করেননি। 
হেফাজতের সেøাগানই বলে দেয় তারা কী চেয়েছিল। তারা তালেবানী রাষ্ট্র করবে, আহমাদ শফী হবেন যার প্রধান। এখন বাবুনগরীর কনফেশনে জানা যাচ্ছে, তাঁরা ঠিকই তালেবানী রাষ্ট্র গঠনের পরিকল্পনা নিয়েছিলেন যার প্রধানমন্ত্রী হবেন বাবুনগরী আর আধ্যাত্মিক গুরু আহমাদ শফী। [আমাদের সময়, ৮-৫-১৩]
ইরানের খোমেনী স্টাইলে আর কি! এখানেও আমরা ষড়যন্ত্রের মধ্যে ষড়যন্ত্র লক্ষ্য করি। খালেদা চাচ্ছিলেন জামায়াত-হেফাজতকে দিয়ে সরকার পতন ঘটিয়ে তিনি তখতে তাউসে বসবেন। কিন্তু দেখা যাচ্ছে, আহমাদ শফীরা বিএনপিকে ব্যবহার করে ক্ষমতায় যেতে চাচ্ছিলেনÑ যেখানে খালেদার স্থান নেই। ষড়যন্ত্রের রাজনীতি এমনই হয়। পরস্পর পরস্পরের পিঠে ছুরি মারে। 
রাত আটটায় খালেদা ঢাকাবাসীকে জানালেন, হেফাজতের পাশে দাঁড়াতে। ৪৮ ঘণ্টার মাথায় খালেদা এই ঘোষণা দিলেন। বোঝা গেল তাদের পরিকল্পনার দ্বিতীয় পর্যায়ে তাঁরা পৌঁছেছেন। আহমাদ শফী গাড়ি করে রওনা হচ্ছিলেন ক্ষমতা দখলের ঘোষণা দিতে। তবে হেজাবি নেতাদের অনেকে মনে করছিলেন, তিনি হেজাবিদের ফিরে যেতেও বলতে পারেন। পথে আহমাদ শফীর মোবাইল ফোনে দু'টি ফোন আসে। তিনি ঘোষণা করেন, তিনি আর যাবেন না। এটিও প্রচারিত হয়ে পড়ে। কিন্তু, তিনি নির্দেশ দেন হেফাজতিরা যেন স্থান ত্যাগ না করে। দশটা-এগারোটার সময় দেখা গেল খালেদার নির্দেশ সত্ত্বেও মওদুদ, খোকা, আনোয়ার, দুদুরা খাবার, পানি নিয়ে নামছেন না। পরে ভাড়া করা জেহাদীদের কনফেশনে জানা গেছে, তারা প্রায় ২৪ ঘণ্টা অভুক্ত। পেশাব-পায়খানা করতে পারেননি। খাওয়ার পানিও পাননি। ঢাকার রাস্তাঘাট তাঁরা চেনেন না। বাতি নেই, অন্ধকার, কী করবেন বুঝতে পারছেন না। অনেকে ভয়েও স্থান ত্যাগ করতে লাগলেন। স্বদেশ রায় রাত ১১টায় ফোন করে আমাকে জানালেন, পত্রিকার প্রবিবেদক জানিয়েছেন, সমাবেশ থেকে লোকজন চলে যাচ্ছে। 
বাবুনগরীরা এবং হেজাবিরা ভেবেছিলেন, এই সমাবেশ ভঙ্গ করার সাহস কারও নেই। আর বিএনপি-জামায়াত ক্যাডাররা যোগ দিলে তো কথাই নেই। সবই তো পরিকল্পনা মাফিক এগুচ্ছিল। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশের ইতিহাসের একটি বড় বৈশিষ্ট্য অনিশ্চয়তা। এ কথা অনেকবার লিখেছি, ইতিহাসের পটভূমিকায় এই অনিশ্চয়তা বাঙালীকে অনেক বিপর্যয় থেকে বাঁচিয়েছে। এবারের অনিশ্চয়তা ছিল নিরাপত্তা বাহিনী সমাবেশ ভেঙ্গে দেয়ার চেষ্টা করবে কী করবে না। এক পুলিশ অফিসার আমাকে বলেছেন, পাকিস্তান আমল থেকে এ পর্যন্ত এত বৃহৎ আকারের সমাবেশ ছত্রভঙ্গ করার কোন পরিকল্পনা কখনও করা হয়নি। এটি ছিল এক ধরনের চ্যালেঞ্জ। কারণ, এ ধরনের পরিকল্পনা সফল না হওয়ার সম্ভাবনাই বেশি। 
মাঝরাতের পর অভিযান শুরু হয়। ১৫ মিনিটের মধ্যে শাপলাচত্বর মুক্ত। সবার আগে পালান বাবুনগরী, লতিফ নেজামী ও তাদের সাঙ্গোপাঙ্গরা। নিজের সাথীদের ফেলে এ ভাবে পলায়ন তাদের চরম স্বার্থপরতা তা তৃণমূল পর্যায়ের হেজাবিদের মনে রাখা উচিত। তাদের তো লড়াই করে শহীদ হওয়ার কথা। শহীদ না হয়ে পালালেন কেন? এ প্রসঙ্গে মনে পড়ছে জঙ্গীগুরু শাইখ আবদুর রহমানের কথা। জঙ্গী শাইখ ধরা পড়লে তাঁর স্ত্রী আর্তকণ্ঠে জিজ্ঞেস করেছিলেন, তিনি তো শহীদ হবেন বলেছিলেন, তিনি তো শহীদ হলেন না! 
তাঁরা তো লড়াই করে গাজী হবেন বলেছিলেন। কিন্তু লড়াই দূরের কথা, জলকামানের পানি, শব্দবহুল গ্রেনেড আর ফাঁকা রবার বুলেটেই শাপলা চত্বর খালি। একদল এক দৌড়ে যাত্রাবাড়ী হয়ে কাঁচপুরের পথে। বাকিরা এদিক-সেদিক গলি-ঘুপজি আর বিভিন্ন ভবনে। পরের এক চিত্রে দেখা যায়, কান ধরে একদল হেফাজতী বা হেজাবি বসে আছেন। তাঁরা শহীদও হননি। গাজীও হননি; বরং মানুষের কাছে পাজি হিসেবেই পরিচিত হয়েছেন। হেফাজতে শহীদ নয়, হেফাজতে গাজী নয়, এখন তারা হেফাজতে পাজি। (চলবে)

সোমবার, ১৩ মে ২০১৩, ৩০ বৈশাখ ১৪২

http://www.dailyjanakantha.com/news_view.php?nc=16&dd=2013-05-13&ni=135164

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মুনতাসীর মামুন

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শনিবার, ১১ মে ২০১৩, ২৮ বৈশাখ ১৪২০

রাজাকার, রাজাকারপন্থী, রাজাকারের বাচ্চাদের কর্তৃত্ব এ দেশে আর হবে না ॥ তৃতীয় কিস্তি ॥

মুনতাসীর মামুন

শনিবার, ১১ মে ২০১৩, ২৮ বৈশাখ ১৪২০

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#sent/13e8a952f74328c2

রবিবার, ১২ মে ২০১৩, ২৯ বৈশাখ ১৪২০

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What's so good about it? Now, the Izlamic Refublics  are 

taking it over.... ?

>>>>>>>>>> Based on my observation, no one even asked for it. They only wanted to put a stop on defamation. We have existing laws which covers that aspects.

BTW, do you support Hefazot's 13-point demand ???

Are these consistent with the true spirit of Islam ?

>>>>>>>>>>> These are vague demands. For example, many people thought they were going stop allowing women to go to work (So did I). But later they said, they want women to have "Proper dress".

I only support the "Free defamation of all religion". I think ALL faiths should have such protection. If you don't like Islam, you may say, laws that you don't like. It is fine. But there are people who spread wrong information to provoke people. We have seen many people suffered from such falsehood and provocation.

Our honorable PM said, she will do that. So I am cool with it.

I'll say similar thing about "Gonojagoron moncho" as well. I support punishment of "War criminals". But I don't see any reason to stop "Islamic bank" from working in our country.


Few months ago, someone ( I don't remember who it was) asked me (Here in this forum) if I support establishing Islamic rule in Bangladesh right now. I said, NO. I also said, I feel Islam offers the best solution in the world to run this country. But we are not ready for it. As a whole, we easily lie, cheat, distort over silliest things.

If this continues, maybe innocent people will become victims for having different opinions or religions.

Therefore, if there is a visionary leadership who will fulfill our responsibilities first BEFORE establishing rights, I'll support that. I do not see such political platform in Bangladesh.

Once we see a "Value driven leader" like that preaching Islam, I'll consider joining that platform.

Until then, I'll try to "Give back to my country" in a positive way as much as I can. NO political inclinations.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 4:44 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] Blasphemy Riots in Bangladesh: 'Offend Me And I'll Kill You'

 

Mr. QR

You are mentioning: "Blasphemy" is historically a 

"CHRISTIAN" concept. 

What's so good about it? Now, the Izlamic Refublics  are 

taking it over.... ? 

[ref: Blasphemy Law in Pakistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Pakistan ]

BTW, do you support Hefazot's 13-point demand ???

Are these consistent with the true spirit of Islam ?

In Medieval Europe the monarchs ruled by the idea of devine

right .....! 

In Ancient Europe, the history is replete with examples 

of mixing and melding of Church and state. typically, a successful

rular or monarch would assume various "priestly" titles, in addition

to "temporal" titles that such a position tended to confer. An

examples of this certain Church-state mixing and melding is:

the execution of Socrates, whereby Socrates was sentenced to

death by the Athenian state for among other things, "his disrespect

for the Gods"  ......

In today's world, "the right of the freedom of religion' is central

to the western democracies (Christians majority countries).

In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious

liberty (freedom to practice any religion), the countries also

mendate the separation of church and state. Largely, 

because of this prohibition against government regulation

or endorsement of a particular religion (i.e. Christianity), diverse 

faiths thrives and flurishes in the western democracies .....

Since early 1980's, there has been a steady increase in the

number of mosques in USA. There were less than 400 Mosques

in early 1980s. The overall number of mosques quitely rose

from 1,209 in 2000 to 2,106 in 2110.

The Christian world has seen "witch burning" too !!!

Will Hefazot/Taleban,  pretty soon start that too ????

The issue today is not between Islam, Christianity, 

Hinduism or any other religion ... The issue is 

tolerance and social modernity.

Syed Aslam

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   Mar 31, 2010 – But today comes one from Saudi Arabia that has to rank toward the top of ... Please fax the king of Saudi Arabiaand have him stop this travesty.

   http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/saudi-arabia-set-to-execute-soothsayer-for-sorcery/

   
   

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:45 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

"Blasphemy" is historically a "CHRISTIAN" concept. Let me share a little about it.

Christianity

The satirical Alexamenos graffito is believed to be the earliest known representation of Jesus.

Christian theology condemns blasphemy. It is spoken of in Mark 3:29, where blaspheming the Holy Spirit is spoken of as unforgivable—the eternal sin. However, there is dispute over what form this blasphemy may take and whether it qualifies as blasphemy in the conventional sense; and over the meaning of "unforgivable". In 2 Kings 18, the Rabshakeh gave the word from the king of Assyria, dissuading trust in the Lord, asserting that God is no more able to deliver than all the gods of the land. In Matthew 9:2, Jesus spoke the words "Your sins are forgiven you"; He was accused of blasphemy, since only God can forgive sins, although Christians believe that Jesus is God and hence entitled to do so.

Blasphemy has been condemned as a serious, or even the most serious, sin by the major creeds and Church theologians (apostasy and infidelity [unbelief] were generally considered to be the gravest sins, with heresy a greater sin than blasphemy, cf. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae^[11]).

• Thomas Aquinas says that "[if] we compare murder and blasphemy as regards the objects of those sins, it is clear that blasphemy, which is a sin committed directly against God, is more grave than murder, which is a sin against one's neighbor. On the other hand, if we compare them in respect of the harm wrought by them, murder is the graver sin, for murder does more harm to one's neighbor, than blasphemy does to God."^[12]
• The Book of Concord calls blasphemy "the greatest sin that can be outwardly committed".^[13]
• The Baptist Confession of Faith says: "Therefore, to swear vainly or rashly by the glorious and awesome name of God…is sinful, and to be regarded with disgust and detestation. …For by rash, false, and vain oaths, the Lord is provoked and because of them this land mourns."^[14]
• The Heidelberg Catechism answers question 100 about blasphemy by stating that "no sin is greater or provokes God's wrath more than the blaspheming of His Name".^[15]
• The Westminster Larger Catechism explains that "The sins forbidden in the third commandment are, the abuse of it in an ignorant, vain, irreverent, profane...mentioning...by blasphemy...to profane jests, ...vain janglings, ...to charms or sinful lusts and practices."^[16]
• Calvin found it intolerable "when a person is accused of blasphemy, to lay the blame on the ebullition of passion, as if God were to endure the penalty whenever we are provoked."^[17]

Catholic prayers and reparations for blasphemy

In the Catholic Church, there are specific prayers and devotions as Acts of Reparation for blasphemy.^[18] For instance, The Golden Arrow Holy Face Devotion (Prayer) first introduced by Sister Marie of St Peter in 1844 is recited "in a spirit of reparation for blasphemy". This devotion (started by Sister Marie and then promoted by the Venerable Leo Dupont) was approved by Pope Leo XIII in 1885.^[19] The Raccolta Catholic prayer book includes a number of such prayers.^[20] The Five First Saturdays devotions are done with the intention in the heart of making reparation to the Blessed Mother for blasphemies against her, her name and her holy initiatives.

The Holy See has specific "Pontifical organizations" for the purpose of the reparation of blasphemy through Acts of Reparation to Jesus Christ, e.g. the Pontifical Congregation of the Benedictine Sisters of the Reparation of the Holy Face.^[21]

Death sentence

Christianity

In Britain's last blasphemy execution, 20-year-old Thomas Aikenhead was executed for the crime in 1697. He was prosecuted for denying the veracity of the Old Testament and the legitimacy of Christ's miracles.^[22

Judaism

In the third book of the Torah, Leviticus 24:16 states that he that blasphemes the name of the LORD "shall surely be put to death". See also List of capital crimes in the Torah. The Seven laws of Noah, which Judaism sees as applicable to all people, prohibit blasphemy.

[ Source: WIKIPEDIA ]

Islam

Main article: Islam and blasphemy

The Quran and the hadith do not mention blasphemy.............

[ Source: Saeed, Abdullah; Hassan Saeed (2004). Freedom of Religion, Apostasy and Islam. Burlington VT: Ashgate Publishing Company. pp. 38–39. ISBN 978-0-7546-3083-8


However like "English common laws" Islam prohibits defamation, libel, slander, backbiting etc. So spreading hate against (With false information) is prohibited. Lately some political parties and some non-political groups demanded "Justice" against some false information spread against Islamic religious figures. The dumb-ass in the picture does not know that, this is not even an Islamic concept.

To serious Christians and Jews it is an important concept and tons of people died in this charges. But Islamic history shown us a much more tolerant civilization about this. Muslims (Like any other community) strongly object to hate-mongering but it is noted that imam Abu Hanifa used to have open debates with those who questioned Islamic ideals.

Having said that, it is true Islam has been abused by "Secular and non-secular" politicians whenever it had potential to serve their political needs.


Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 8:14 pm
Subject: Blasphemy Riots in Bangladesh: 'Offend Me And I'll Kill You' [ YouTube]

'Offend Me And I'll Kill You' Blasphemy Riots in Bangladesh"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYcsw5nOxFI

 

Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

Let me be cool and clarify:

1. You claim that Islam that you know and preach is authentic. I was referring to Tajuddin's daughter's interview (some one in this forum posted it which I guess you have watched.) She quoted many Suras from the Koran to draw conclusion that Hefajatis are not right and 1972 (the original one) was right. I just extrapolated her thoughts to conclude that she does not like Talibani Islam and Muslim Brotherhood political philosophy. In one post you praised Muslim Brotherhood and only the other day you claimed that the Taliban had some good stuff in their program. That's "how the hell Taliban, Muslim brotherhood and Tajuddin's daughter gotten into this conversation". 

>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what member Kamal Das has written about Hitler!!


Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews for many reasons. (i) The role of the German Jewish business magnets was anti state during the !st war, (ii) The Jews had plans to conquer Germany with Turk-Mongols, (iii) Most reputed German philosophers of reputation were anti Semitic, (iv) He was proud of his Aryan ancestry(though his mother had a Jewish lineage).  Had he not spent three precious weeks in his Yugoslavian expedition before crossing Russian border, history could be written differently today, we would be full of praise for him

I think you "Forgot" why I praised Muslim Brotherhood. I praised them because they shun violence and came to power via legitimate election. I may not agree with everything they do but if they do something positive, it should be encouraged and praised. In fact many top scholars, agencies (Like US state department) ALSO praised MB for that. They restored democracy in a country which did not see a valid election in decades.

I also claimed that, Taliban were very tough on "Drugs" and they were able to remove most drug cultivation from Afghanistan. I praised them for successful war on drugs.

Academics who researched on Hitler also praised him as a gifted orator.


Now look what YOU said about me. You said, ". Your authentic Islam inspires you to be a sympathizer of Muslim Brotherhood and find some great things in Taliban political ideology."

Only world class idiots or evil people will call it "Sympathizer". I am not sure how you came into that. Your words may mislead people about what I have said. This is call distortion and it may lead to hate mongering.

2. "I have said enough based on information I have on Hefazat (READ my posts!). Do I have to say something "Against them"? I have said based on what I know about them. How the hell you PRETEND to know a lot about them while you do not even LIVE here? We have plenty intolerant armchair critics here, don't need any help in this area." You claim yourself politically neutral and fair. Mr. Rahman, none among ourselves is naive. We have our own agenda. Agenda may be open and hidden. If you pretend that you do not know much about Hefajat (really! 13-point program is open to all), nobody will believe you

>>>>>>>>>> You may have "Open and hidden agendas", I don't. If you don't want to believe me, I have to respect that option. But there is NO reason for personal attacks!!

This goes clearly AGAINST the spirit of Mukto-mona. As long I am not promoting violence, I should be able to speak my mind, so should you.

3. "I figured as long I seek to "EXPLAIN" Islam here (Tried to stay away from politics), you wouldn't be "Friendly" towards me." Why are you saying this? You have seen how I have been insulted in this very forum for saying good things about Islam and the Prophet of Islam. How do you expect that I will accept every thing you say? I believe in science and rational thinking. I will not buy your fairy tales.

>>>>>>>>>>> That is why I supply source of my information[ web based, books etc]. Again I can share information with all of you. I cannot force anyone (Nor I want to) to accept everything I say. It is totally up to YOU what would you accept and what you would not.

4. Are you crazy or what? Why would you ask me to prove that I am an Indian agent or part of a "Fifth column"? Have I done or said any thing that brings that kind of crazy thought in your mind? Have I ever accused you even indirectly of being an agent of any party or country? You are really angry and out of mind Mr. Rahman. Be cool and talk rationally with your facts and analysis. Maintaining silence about an issue (say Hefajati 13) may not mean neutrality. You have every right to say that you feel embarassed (many of our judges "bibroto bodh koren") when it comes to commenting on an issue. Recently you are getting so angry that I am afraid that one day you will say to me,"Shut up, malauner bachcha." I have bitter experience.

>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, I said I would NOT ask you such questions.

Secondly, by distorting  my posts, you have misrepresented me. Often you posts with what I "Must do" or "Have to do". Shows an autocratic mind. Well, I have not said anything like "Shut up" to any members here. Albeit I was told to "Get lost". Which I found amusing.

It is a typical desi mentality that, a scholar of physics is assertive about political science. Some of you guys don't even live in Bangladesh!!


How come you know with certainty about "Hefazat"? I certainly don't know a lot about them. There are many claims and counter claims about them. So if you want a biased opinion, please read posts by Dr. Manik. He is religious about his loyalty and I am not so loyal to any political party. That is why I also praise BAL, BNP when they deserve it. 


What does the double exclamatory sign mean? Any way, you have criticized a sacred book of Hindus which act, according to you, is an anti-Islamic. I criticize Manu. You have seen that. So, I have no objection to your criticizing Hindu religion. But what bothers me is your double standard.


>>>>>>>>> It means most mainstream Hindus are good people. NO hidden meaning.


Nope, I have NOT criticized it. Criticism will have "My opinion" on it. What I said, is a FACT. Thus I stated a FACT of life. If you like more explanation on my position or I made any mistake, please feel free to correct me.

You can say, Muslim men are allowed to marry UP to four women. It is NOT a criticism, it is a fact. Because our own scripture will back you up.

I can criticize a lot about "Sanatana culture" or "Laws of Sanatana dharma". I generally stay away from it because most Bangladeshi people lacks maturity to take it. So I have no intention to hurt any feelings. Only I can say, I have looked into basics of all major religions. I stuck with the best one (My personal opinion).

6. "I have prasied Ghandiji without you making any childish demand for it. Because he deserves credit for his service to all people of the sub-continent." You have missed my point. My point in a nutshell is that Gandhi and Rabindranath despite being religious were secular in spirits. Giving them credit is not enough. Follow their path: be religious and be secular as well. Shake off from your head Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do follow his path. I am happy with my religion. Still I do respect all different faiths. I spend a lot of my own precious time to remove misunderstanding about Islam. I try to find common grounds with other religions. Last time I checked, these are good things.

When did I put Taliban and MB in my head? I think YOU need to understand that, majority of Muslim population are NOT affiliated with politics. Specifically Bangladeshi Muslims paid high prizes standing up against fanaticism over and over again. Our mainstream population should be congratulated for following path of moderation.

7. "I simple said, Islam offers system that covers ALL aspects of our lives and it has lot to offer." That is irrelevant and your personal opinion as well. We do not need to preach a religion in every argument in a multireligious society. Let me repeat my previous statement: make Islam a complete code of your private life. Do not bring Islam in the domain of politics, economics, and judiciary unless your are an Islamist. This is my appeal to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the premise of our discussion is each of us are FREE to accept or reject any opinions/facts, I do not see any harm in it.

At the same time, Mukto-mona gave plenty of space to "Hate-mongers" who exclusively preach distortion about Islam. It is ONLY "Logical" that, someone simple offer authentic information about Islamic scriptures.

When did you see me "bringing Islam in politics". I ONLY commented to people who have done so. Hope you understand the difference.


Shalom!




-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 8:10 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

 

Let me be cool and clarify:

1. You claim that Islam that you know and preach is authentic. I was referring to Tajuddin's daughter's interview (some one in this forum posted it which I guess you have watched.) She quoted many Suras from the Koran to draw conclusion that Hefajatis are not right and 1972 (the original one) was right. I just extrapolated her thoughts to conclude that she does not like Talibani Islam and Muslim Brotherhood political philosophy. In one post you praised Muslim Brotherhood and only the other day you claimed that the Taliban had some good stuff in their program. That's "how the hell Taliban, Muslim brotherhood and Tajuddin's daughter gotten into this conversation". 

2. "I have said enough based on information I have on Hefazat (READ my posts!). Do I have to say something "Against them"? I have said based on what I know about them. How the hell you PRETEND to know a lot about them while you do not even LIVE here? We have plenty intolerant armchair critics here, don't need any help in this area." You claim yourself politically neutral and fair. Mr. Rahman, none among ourselves is naive. We have our own agenda. Agenda may be open and hidden. If you pretend that you do not know much about Hefajat (really! 13-point program is open to all), nobody will believe you. They may think that you have hidden agenda.

3. "I figured as long I seek to "EXPLAIN" Islam here (Tried to stay away from politics), you wouldn't be "Friendly" towards me." Why are you saying this? You have seen how I have been insulted in this very forum for saying good things about Islam and the Prophet of Islam. How do you expect that I will accept every thing you say? I believe in science and rational thinking. I will not buy your fairy tales.

4. Are you crazy or what? Why would you ask me to prove that I am an Indian agent or part of a "Fifth column"? Have I done or said any thing that brings that kind of crazy thought in your mind? Have I ever accused you even indirectly of being an agent of any party or country? You are really angry and out of mind Mr. Rahman. Be cool and talk rationally with your facts and analysis. Maintaining silence about an issue (say Hefajati 13) may not mean neutrality. You have every right to say that you feel embarassed (many of our judges "bibroto bodh koren") when it comes to commenting on an issue. Recently you are getting so angry that I am afraid that one day you will say to me,"Shut up, malauner bachcha." I have bitter experience. 

5. "I said, Islamic scriptures do not endorse racism and discriminate. I cannot say the same about Sanatana dharma (Because it has codified laws/practices establishing racism). That does NOT mean mainstream Hindus are not good people. They are!!" What does the double exclamatory sign mean? Any way, you have criticized a sacred book of Hindus which act, according to you, is an anti-Islamic. I criticize Manu. You have seen that. So, I have no objection to your criticizing Hindu religion. But what bothers me is your double standard. 

6. "I have prasied Ghandiji without you making any childish demand for it. Because he deserves credit for his service to all people of the sub-continent." You have missed my point. My point in a nutshell is that Gandhi and Rabindranath despite being religious were secular in spirits. Giving them credit is not enough. Follow their path: be religious and be secular as well. Shake off from your head Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban.

7. "I simple said, Islam offers system that covers ALL aspects of our lives and it has lot to offer." That is irrelevant and your personal opinion as well. We do not need to preach a religion in every argument in a multireligious society. Let me repeat my previous statement: make Islam a complete code of your private life. Do not bring Islam in the domain of politics, economics, and judiciary unless your are an Islamist. This is my appeal to you.    

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

 

Now that you cannot "Answer" my post, you had to come up with "new points" (irrelevant) and personal attack!

How the hell Taliban, Muslim brotherhood and Tajuddin's daughter gotten into this conversation?

I have said enough based on information I have on Hefazat (READ my posts!). Do I have to say something "Against them"? I have said based on what I know about them. How the hell you PRETEND to know a lot about them while you do not even LIVE here? We have plenty intolerant armchair critics here, don't need any help in this area.

I have said what I felt and learn to live with it.

I figured as long I seek to "EXPLAIN" Islam here (Tried to stay away from politics), you wouldn't be "Friendly" towards me. I have given plenty of explanation but I am going say what I feel about subjects (Based on what I know).

I am NOT going to ask you to "Prove" that you are not an Indian agent or part of a "Fifth column" who wants to destroy this country. Neither will I need to get an answer from you if you can tolerate practicing Muslims. I respect your right to form an opinion and you seems to be struggling at this area. WHY?

4. Pious Muslims do not discriminate. Do pious Hindus or Christians discriminate? Do they care what is literally written in the scriptures? Think about political thinking of Gandhi and philosophical views of Rabindranath? Do you smell Manu in them?
 

>>>>>>>> "Bro" if you are in a disturbing state of mind, I cannot help you!

I said, Islamic scriptures do not endorse racism and discriminate. I cannot say the same about Sanatana dharma (Because it has codified laws/practices establishing racism). That does NOT mean mainstream Hindus are not good people. They are!!

I have prasied Ghandiji without you making any childish demand for it. Because he deserves credit for his service to all people of the sub-continent.

5. What Americans are actually doing is not important. You have correctly said that the constitution is great and that is important. All men are equal. Can you treat Islam as a complete code of your private life and keep it away from political and economic system? If you cannot do that, it is useless to talk about the greatness of American constitution

>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh is not an Islamic republic, it is a people's republic. I have NOT proposed anything to change that. I simple said, Islam offers system that covers ALL aspects of our lives and it has lot to offer.

 Even our honorable prime minister said, she will lead the country in the spirit of "Medina charter". Basically such charter (Or the spirit of it) will ensure protection for non-Muslims and equitable treatment for all citizen of the country.

What Americans are doing is important because we learn from them. They are a mature democracy and we are not.

Anyway, lately you seems to be very disturbed (Not being your usual cordial self). If you are going through a "Rough patch", my sympathies for you. Hope you get over it soon. If this is your "Natural state", it is sad and disturbing.

Shalom!


 

-----Original Message----- From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

 

1. Your authentic Islam inspires you to be a sympathizer of Muslim Brotherhood and find some great things in Taliban political ideology. Tajuddin's daughter will not agree with you. You should rather say that it is your view instead of claiming it to be authentic. 

2. One may genuinely get upset if you pretend to be politically neutral and not say even a single word against Hefajati 13. 

3. Hindu majority India has not included Manu's edicts in the constitution. Can you please have them as your role model and keep religion separate from the constitution? 

4. Pious Muslims do not discriminate. Do pious Hindus or Christians discriminate? Do they care what is literally written in the scriptures? Think about political thinking of Gandhi and philosophical views of Rabindranath? Do you smell Manu in them? 

5. What Americans are actually doing is not important. You have correctly said that the constitution is great and that is important. All men are equal. Can you treat Islam as a complete code of your private life and keep it away from political and economic system? If you cannot do that, it is useless to talk about the greatness of American constitution. 

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On May 10, 2013, at 1:58 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

You cannot say that Hefajot is a political party; can you? Even if it is, they are still within the complete code of life. Also you cannot say that Hefajot and Jamat-E Islamists are not following Islam; can you? If Hefajot is not the representative of Islam, who are? If they are not following Islam correctly, who are? Finally, if these are the facts, why would you extend your tacit support for them?

>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I share information about Islam (based on scriptures) so members here can understand what authentic Islam stands for. Thus it will be easier for them to separate "pretenders of Islam" from real followers of Islam.

Just use these criteria to any political party of our day and YOU be the judge.

Some members are "Upset" because I do not play "Cheer leader" for any political party here. Which most of your do VERY well. I am indifferent because this is how I feel about current politics. Sometime I like bits and pieces of our political actions. Then I comment on it. Any "Imagination" of tacit support is just that-----IMAGINATION!!

I feel there got to be a misinterpretation of the phrase - complete code of life. Ordinary people only need religious and social codes; they don't need administrative or political code in life. A religion must be for ordinary people. Therefore, complete code of life only means religious and social codes of life. Politicians must have added the other two into the fold of Islam for exploitation. This is similar to that of Hinduism, where Brahmins introduced worshiping of mad made idols of Gods and Goddesses into the fold of Hinduism for exploitation of ordinary people.  

 

What say you?

>>>>>>>>>>> Code has been given but we don't practice it. Your adopted country says in the constitution, "All men (Human) are created equal........." at start but they did not treat non-whites equally for most part of American history (Codified law came as late as 1962 but racism is alive and well in the US).


It is not the fault of the constitution, it was the fault of Euro-American settlers (Like Zionist settlers in Palestine) not the founding fathers of America. They were noble men and Thomas Jefferson even read the Qur'an and he was inspired by it. He even threw the first "Ramadan Party" in the While house during those days.  You are halfway correct about your comments about Hinduism (It is a misnomer as per Vivekananda). Sanatana scriptures has codified laws to discriminate against lower caste Hindus and others. Read Manu for more details ( I don't need to educate you on it).


As per Islamic scriptures and practices by pious Muslims, it is free of such discrimination. To me Islam is a very natural and "Logical" religion. However we have many uneducated and "part time" Muslims who abuse the name of Islam to fulfill their personal greed.

Therefore, I don't blame you for having some negative feelings towards Islam but it is the very reason I share authentic information about Islam. So at least it will help to reduce misunderstanding between our communities.

We have to work as a team, so our future generations can get along better. We have to strive to go above our biases, so our children can truly be friends and partners.

Shalom!

-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 5:40 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

 

My reaction stems from the fact that - information you furnished is not just any article, it's from the Hadith. And, if anyone knows Hadith, that will be a Hefajot/Jamat-E Islamist. In my view, none of those revered religious figures is showing any morality right now, including the Amir; he has been a pawn of this political game, and he is playing along just fine. Therefore, morality and religiosity is a misfit right now under the current political environment. That's what I meant.   You said – politics is not for nice people; I will agree with you. I will add to it - politics is not for religious people also. Remember, a while back, I said – religion and politics should not mix; if you mix them, religion will get corrupted.  You said – Islam is a complete code of life, meaning it includes religious, social, administrative, and political codes. I said – those days of Caliphate are long gone. We live in a complex world; the last two codes will now corrupt the first two, and societies will end up in a poisonous quagmire. You are getting a test of it right now. Modern societies have figured it out long back, and they are reaping the benefits. That could not sway Islamists; they still believe in the days of Caliphate. So, the fight goes on ....   QR said: "I don't understand ONE thing. WHY do you keep making "Certain political parties" as agent of Islam. I have never presented them as any kind of representatives. WHY do you?"   You cannot say that Hefajot is a political party; can you? Even if it is, they are still within the complete code of life. Also you cannot say that Hefajot and Jamat-E Islamists are not following Islam; can you? If Hefajot is not the representative of Islam, who are? If they are not following Islam correctly, who are? Finally, if these are the facts, why would you extend your tacit support for them?   I feel there got to be a misinterpretation of the phrase - complete code of life. Ordinary people only need religious and social codes; they don't need administrative or political code in life. A religion must be for ordinary people. Therefore, complete code of life only means religious and social codes of life. Politicians must have added the other two into the fold of Islam for exploitation. This is similar to that of Hinduism, where Brahmins introduced worshiping of mad made idols of Gods and Goddesses into the fold of Hinduism for exploitation of ordinary people.     What say you? Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 5/9/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote: From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals? To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 5:48 AM   Who are these people? Are you talking about Hefazot-Jamat people? You must really be a confused man to circulate this link to us right now. Are you aware of the plan Hefazot-BNP-Jamat cooked privately; cool down Charlie Brown!! My post does NOT have anything to do with current politics. Simple ideals written in an article. NOTHING more. There are lots of news/rumors about what the opposition done and what the government has done. Suspects have been arrested and they are under process. I don't understand ONE thing. WHY do you keep making "

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