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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

[mukto-mona] Re:Muslims in West Bengal and Assam

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49884

Alas! What is this ego of yours Mr. Doulah that you must see 100% of
muslims upgraded to top tire of any society! Oh! you will lament for
ever and it is not going to happen! Muslims for centuries have been
clading and suffocating their women, taking their crucial right to
natural selection process. Muslims have not been allowing the women
to be proud of their beautiful breasts and bobies. They could not
show off! They were not allowed to lure the most capable of men to
bed, procreating stronger breed.Incompetent mullah men have been
burdening muslim women with litters that have been eventually
marginalized in the competetive world.

If you want to see the best of yours, liberate your women to have
freeer sex-life and promote natural selection. Do not just beg or
terrorize.

tistarbahe

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Tasveer and The Seagull Foundation for the Arts present

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Opening September 24, 2008 at 6 pm
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RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

She is hindu but her was a a muslim. So she had no right burn the dead body of his son.
 Muslims have their own tituals for the dead body of muslim.

Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since she is a hindu, she did burn her son in the hindu way, I do not see anything wrong in it. She lost her son. She must be grieving a lot. Folks! she is human being. What the criticizers are doing, making triple mistakes: (1) On her worst time of the life, they are giving her serious troubles instead of comforting her, (2) She is hindu, she burnt her dead son, there is nothing wrong in it but they are asking for punishing her more, means, trying to create another hindu-muslim confrontation by which many lives may go, (3) As a mother she has every right to do what ever she wants, with the deadbody of her son, not breaking the rule of the country, and she did not do that, but still these people are accusing her, which is just unacceptable. This only shows that some people can be so illogical, impractical, inhuman, and extreme selfish in just their own attitude; being even extremely wrong.



To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: shossain456@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:01:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
 
SH
Toronto

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM

I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar


-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
 
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
 
Cyrus

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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
  May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in  USA. His mother so called controversial  writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest  the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.





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[mukto-mona] Re: Atrocites on Hindu Minorities continue

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49862

Mr. Doulah, I appreciate you interest and concern.

To me religion is love and compassion. Not devout dogma. Different religious beliefs, whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Judaism, seem does very good job dividing people up and creating more hate and animosity. They are doing or supporting hate-based violence against anyone? In Bangladesh religion is being used as a shill for right-wing politics.

In many ways today's world conflict is not the actions of a few, but of a many. The idea of religion may have been started as message of peace, but it has been so horribly perverted over thousands of years it's bought death, pain, disbelieve and hatred with it. The Islamic civil war was fought between Aisha, widow of Muhammad [pbuh] and Ali. Aisha and her allies were defeated by Ali's forces. The loss in the battle was very great. This war marked the emergence of the two most populous sects in Islam.

Despite the attempts of Mahatma Gandhi and others to prevent division along religious and ethnic lines, the departing British and various Indian politicians pressed for the creation of two states, one Hindu-dominated , the other Muslim-dominated. There is no doubt that the mass killing in Bangladesh [Genocide in Bangladesh 1971] was among the most carefully and centrally planned of modern genocides by Islamic Republic of Pakistan in the name of "Islam in danger".

The conflagration in Iraq, neo-cons aggressive attitude, Afghanistan, Israel, India-Pakistan, only confirm in the popular mind that religion lies behind much of contemporary international conflict. Nigerians believe religion to be more central to their identity than nationality. Nigerians are thus more likely to identify themselves first and foremost as Christians or Muslims rather than as Nigerians. What I want to say that is the actions of humans who corrupted the religions they supposedly followed to meet there own ends. Through our journey to see if religion was the major cause of world conflict, you can find so much more.

Western Anglo-Saxon society was founded on Biblical principles. Laws were Biblical laws, reflecting Ten Commandments and their attendant statues. In Islamic world especially in Asian origin follow hadiths, baba, pir rather than Qur'an.  In West a decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence. Unfortunately violent people are using whatever religion or political philosophy they choose to justify their behavior.

I believe the civil society of Bangladeshis is enthusiastically challenging the evil forces of fundamentalism and corrupt elites to secure human values for all Bangalees.

Momtaz Ahmed


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups



SH
 
It is quite surprising that you claim to know how the young man wanted his remains to be handled. Did he leave a will or other written instructions?
If not, then all your assumptions are invalid. You live in North America and have to follow the law. In the absence of a will, the parents have sole authority to decide how the body
should be handled. Many jews and Christians in this country choose to be cremated, so it is not really religion based. If Mina farah decided to cremate her son, who has given us the authority to even discuss that issue.
 
 
Best wishes,
 
reza



To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Kraisuddin@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:20 -0400
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups


Since she is a hindu, she did burn her son in the hindu way, I do not see anything wrong in it. She lost her son. She must be grieving a lot. Folks! she is human being. What the criticizers are doing, making triple mistakes: (1) On her worst time of the life, they are giving her serious troubles instead of comforting her, (2) She is hindu, she burnt her dead son, there is nothing wrong in it but they are asking for punishing her more, means, trying to create another hindu-muslim confrontation by which many lives may go, (3) As a mother she has every right to do what ever she wants, with the deadbody of her son, not breaking the rule of the country, and she did not do that, but still these people are accusing her, which is just unacceptable. This only shows that some people can be so illogical, impractical, inhuman, and extreme selfish in just their own attitude; being even extremely wrong.



To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: shossain456@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:01:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
 
SH
Toronto

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM

I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar


-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
 
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
 
Cyrus

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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
  May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in  USA. His mother so called controversial  writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest  the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.





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[mukto-mona] Sarah Palin's falsity

Republican candidate for Vice-President Sarah Palin's competence is being questioned. I am not going into that debate, but her ecological perception is not just inadequate, perhaps motivated too.
SR 
Sarah Palin and Global Warming: Alaska Prof. Says Palin Misrepresented State Findings on Endangered Polar Bears…and Tried to Cover It Up (http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/17/sarah_palin_and_global_warming_alaska)
We speak with Rick Steiner, a marine conservation specialist and University of Alaska professor who has tried to uncover the scientific basis for Alaska governor and GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin's opposition to any new federal protections for polar bears under the Endangered Species Act. When he requested the assessment of state scientists who had examined the impact of global warming on polar bears, he was told he might have to pay close to half-a-million dollars for the request to be processed. Steiner finally obtained the documents through a federal records request and found that the state's marine mammal scientists were actually at odds with Palin's position. [includes rush transcript]

Rick Steiner, Marine conservation specialist and professor at the University of Alaska.
AMY GOODMAN: As we turn north, as we head to Alaska, we turn to the environment. Scientists from the World Wildlife Fund have warned polar bears and other rare species could become extinct because of the rapid melting of the Artic sea ice. They say that less ice is predicted in the Arctic this year than in any other.
Now the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin, has tried to sue the US government over the listing of polar bears as a threatened species. She has also denied that global warming is caused by human activity. But in an interview last week with ABC's Charlie Gibson, the governor seemed to display a change of heart.
CHARLIE GIBSON: Do you still believe that global warming is not manmade?
GOV. SARAH PALIN: I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. Regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we've got to do something about it, and we have to make sure that we're doing all we can to cut down on pollution.
CHARLIE GIBSON: But it's a critical point, as to whether or not this is manmade. He says it is; you have said in the past it's not.
GOV. SARAH PALIN: The debate on that even really has evolved into, OK, here's where we are now. Scientists do show us that there are changes in climate. Things are getting warmer. Now what do we do about it?
CHARLIE GIBSON: Yes, but isn't it critical as to whether or not it's manmade, because what you do about it depends on whether it's manmade?
GOV. SARAH PALIN: That's why I'm attributing some of man's activities to potentially causing some of the changes in the climate right now. So—
CHARLIE GIBSON: But I—you know, color me a cynic, but I hear a little bit of change in your policy there, when you say, yes, now you're beginning to say it is manmade. It sounds to me like you're adapting your position to Senator McCain's.
GOV. SARAH PALIN: I think you are a cynic, because—show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that. I have said that my belief is there is a cyclical nature of our planet, warming trends, cooling trends.
CHARLIE GIBSON: That's false. According to a Fairbanks, Alaska newspaper, less than a year ago, Palin did disagree, saying, quote, "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity."

AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt of ABC's interview with Governor Sarah Palin.
Well, Rick Steiner is with us now. He's a marine conservation specialist, professor at the University of Alaska, has tried to uncover the scientific basis for Palin's opposition to any new federal protections for polar bears under the Endangered Species Act. When he requested the assessment of state scientists of Alaska who had examined the impact of global warming on polar bears, he was told he might have to pay close to half-a-million dollars for the request to be processed.
Professor Steiner finally obtained the documents through a federal records request and found the state's marine mammal scientists were actually at odds with Palin's position. They had agreed with federal researchers' conclusions that polar bears are threatened with extinction because of a shrinking ice cap.
Professor Rick Steiner joins us now from Anchorage, Alaska. Welcome to Democracy Now!
RICK STEINER: Thanks very much, Amy. Good morning.
AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Professor Steiner, talk about what happened. Talk about Governor Palin's position, what she put forward, why she sued Alaska, why she sued the government, and where you came into the story.
RICK STEINER: I'd be delighted to. First of all, a little context: Alaska—big business here is producing hydrocarbons, and so Alaska is in the business of producing carbon that ultimately winds up into the global atmosphere. So there's this inherent political tension between the big business in Alaska—oil and gas—and the notion that carbon emissions are causing climate change that's ground zero impacts right here in Alaska. So there's that.
Anybody who runs for office in Alaska has to embrace totally the oil and gas business in order to have a chance of getting elected. That's sort of the politic here. When Governor Palin was running for the governor's mansion, she supported more oil and gas development and never mentioned a thing about the threat of climate change here in Alaska.
What I wanted—as soon as she took office, she—is when Dirk Kempthorne, the Secretary of the Interior, announced that indeed polar bears were endangered. They were proposing to list them under the Endangered Species Act as threatened. Immediately after that, Governor Palin, then-Governor Palin—this is in December of '06 or January of '07—called him and opposed the listing, before they had ever looked at the science.
Subsequent to that, the state's marine mammal experts—and there's only three or four of them on the state payroll—looked at the federal proposed rule to list polar bears, sent a nice long memo that basically concluded that, yes, the federal science behind the listing, you know, documenting that polar bears are indeed threatened, was solid science, and they agreed with it.
Later in the year, the USGS, which does most of the research on polar bears, United States Geological Survey, put out nine studies. This was in September of '07. And again, the state's marine mammal scientists were asked to comment, to review that science, comment on it. They did, and they found that the conclusions were solid. That was the scientific work that predicted that two-thirds of the world's polar bears would be gone by mid-century, and all of the polar bears off of Alaska would be gone. And then they had a caveat about that, saying they thought that was a conservative estimate and that it would probably happen faster than that.
So, here you have the state's marine mammal experts, three or four of them, very reputable scientists, agreeing with the federal proposed rule to list polar bears and with the USGS studies showing that polar bears are in serious trouble, yet the governor maintaining her political position that polar bears are not threatened by anything, and they're opposing the listing.
So what you had, essentially, was a situation where the governor made a political decision, not a scientific-based one, to oppose the listing. Secondly, she misrepresented the basis of her decision to the public, saying it was based on science, when indeed it really wasn't, and then, thirdly, tried to conceal all of that, when I was simply asking for that scientific review to be released. So there's three red flags there for the public.
AMY GOODMAN: So, you tried to get the information. What is it exactly you were requesting from Alaska, from the state government?
RICK STEINER: Sure. The state, as many states do, has sort of an analogue to the federal Freedom of Information Act. Here, it's called the Alaska Public Records Act. And under that act, citizens are entitled to information on what their government is up to, which is a fundamental tenet of democratic governance, certainly.
So, the governor had written an op-ed in the New York Times a year or so ago, saying that she made her decision to oppose polar bear listing based on a comprehensive review of the science. And so, I simply wanted that.
You know, I found it very implausible that the scientists that I knew involved in marine mammal science in Alaska would have actually opposed the federal science behind the listing, because there is an overwhelming body of scientific thought and consensus that we're in a very warming situation in Alaska, it's caused by carbon emissions, Arctic sea ice is reducing catastrophically, and that is the habitat for polar bears, and therefore, polar bears are in serious trouble.
So, that's what I wanted. I started the request in December of '07. And it took about—the first response I got from the Commissioner of Fish and Game was, well, you know, it will cost you $468,000 for us to process this response. And so, I sequentially narrowed the request, and it got down to $8,000, $7,000. But still, I should have deserved a fee waiver as a faculty member with the state university in Alaska requesting this information on what our government is contending—
AMY GOODMAN: You were asking for emails?
RICK STEINER: —to get it to the public. I was asking for any documents, emails. I was specifically wanting the review by the state marine mammal experts of the federal proposed rule to list polar bears under the Endangered Species Act.
AMY GOODMAN: So, you finally get it under the federal Freedom of Information Act?
RICK STEINER: Well, that's right. It took me six months to get to no from the State of Alaska, from the Palin administration. They ultimately got an attorney general's opinion that they would not release this one document that I wanted, which was the state science review, claiming that it was a deliberative pre-decisional document and they had executive privilege to do so.
So then, they said I could take them to court if I wanted to. I found another way. I sent a FOIA request to the federal government, the Fish and Wildlife Service, that I suspected probably had it. They did. I got it. And you have it now.
And it's very clear from that and another email that they accidentally released to me, the state, that the marine mammal scientists agreed completely with the conclusions and the methodologies and the thinking process behind all of the body of federal science that was used to argue for the threatened listing.
AMY GOODMAN: How unusual is this level of secrecy, your attempts to get at a basic scientific document or a recommendation from state scientists on whether polar bears are endangered? I mean, she used this supposed report that no one could see to actually sue the federal government to keep polar bears off the endangered species list.
RICK STEINER: Well, the lawsuit is kind of perplexing at this point, because what you have here is the experts for the plaintiff, which would—the State of Alaska, agreeing with the experts for the defendant, the US government, that, yeah, the science says that polar bears are in serious trouble and that something should be done to afford them additional protection. So, you know, I—many people here recommended that the state not pursue the lawsuit, simply because it didn't make much sense.
And also, the lawsuit puts the state of Alaska, and particularly the Palin administration, to the political right of the Bush-Cheney administration, and that's a rarified land where few venture. If you think about that, it gives an ominous pale to what a Palin-McCain administration would be, should they prevail in November. So, even the Bush administration could not find a way around the science on climate change, Arctic sea ice reduction and polar bear threat. Yet, the Palin administration took the far extreme right position on that and is suing.
I still think they will not prevail in the lawsuit. I hope they won't. Here we have their own experts agreeing with the experts for the defendants, the federal government. And I think it was as much politics and posturing and things as it was legitimate legal maneuvering. I think they're going to lose the lawsuit. The federal government is—as I said, if they could have found a way around the science, they certainly would have. But it is so overwhelming, and the consensus is strong, so…
AMY GOODMAN: Last quick question, Professor Rick Steiner, Governor Palin is being hailed as a person who took on an oil and gas, increased taxes against the Big Oil in Alaska, and yet you're contending she's in their pocket.
RICK STEINER: Yeah. You know, it's this whole issue of "I'm tough on oil." She has, with the legislature, raised taxes and royalties off the oil companies here. That's something that people here have wanted and asked for for probably the last decade or so. This was not a new novel proposal. And so, they did accomplish that, and we're very, very delighted that that happened, so there's more monies into the public hands than into corporate hands. And that's a good thing.
However, she's very sympathetic with the oil and gas companies on virtually everything. And there's nowhere in Alaska that she—that we know that she has said should be off-limits to additional oil and gas drilling: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the entire—virtually the entire offshore area in the Arctic Ocean, the Chukchi Sea and the Beaufort Sea, which are the remaining polar bear habitat in Alaska, fish-rich Bristol Bay, where 27, 28 million sockeye salmon were caught this year. She supports oil and gas drilling out in that bay and in Cook Inlet, Alaska. So, you know, from—
AMY GOODMAN: Of course, the Republican delegates on the floor of the convention were all wearing the hardhats that said "Drill now." And Governor Palin has said that—what is drilling in 2,000-mile swath of 20 million—what is it—acres of—when she's talking about the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She said people outside Alaska just don't understand, we need this for self-sufficiency.
RICK STEINER: Yeah, and that's a ludicrous argument from an energy policy standpoint. We're not going to drill our way out of this. The problem with energy, that we knew thirty years ago, is that we were wasting at least half of the oil and gas that we were producing and using in our phenomenally inefficient energy economy in this country.
What we need to do is a rapid transition to a sustainable energy economy. We know exactly how to do that, with energy efficiency subsidies, and remove the subsidies from oil and gas and nuclear and things like that, and then providing subsidies and tax breaks for alternatives. We know how to do this.
But, you know, the Palin-McCain side, I was—I had some faith in the McCain arguments prior to this, but with picking Palin, it's very obvious their entire energy policy is going to be drill, drill, drill—they've been very obvious about that—rather than transitioning to the sustainable economy that we know we need.
And the other—one last thing is, on this notion of government transparency and honesty and ethics and things like that, I look at those as verbs, not as nouns. You have to be transparent and not just declare that you are transparent and honest. You have to be it every morning that you wake up and start governing. And that's what we need to look for in our next occupants of the White House, I think.
AMY GOODMAN: Professor Rick Steiner, I want to thank you for being with us, speaking to us from Anchorage, Alaska, where over the weekend, when Governor Palin returned to Alaska after receiving and giving her nomination speech in St. Paul, there was the largest protest in history, actually, of Alaska against her, even though the mainstream media basically just showed the reception when she came back to the Anchorage airport, the hangar where people were waiting for her. There were over 1,500 people who protested her return. This is Democracy Now! Our guest was Rick Steiner, professor of the University of Alaska, Anchorage, marine conservation specialist.


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr Raisuddin,
 
Please come to your sense. You may be a hindu sympatheser;may be considering to cremate yourself (you can do it if you leave behind a will). She is a hindu extremist, no doubt; but the boy was not. The boy was a practising muslim. Regarding, mother can do whatever she likes. No, she cannot do whatever she likes, because the boy was an adult. Can you do anything to your children? can you do anything against the will of your children? for example, arranging marriage against their will? sending them to Hindu temple to learn Gita instead of Holy Quran? You are looking after them does not mean, you can do whatever you like.
 
Mina Fara's child could not do anything because he was dead. Playing with a deceased is a kind of sadistic behavoiur. Burning him against his will is a terrorist act.
 
SH
 
 


--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:39 PM


Since she is a hindu, she did burn her son in the hindu way, I do not see anything wrong in it. She lost her son. She must be grieving a lot. Folks! she is human being. What the criticizers are doing, making triple mistakes: (1) On her worst time of the life, they are giving her serious troubles instead of comforting her, (2) She is hindu, she burnt her dead son, there is nothing wrong in it but they are asking for punishing her more, means, trying to create another hindu-muslim confrontation by which many lives may go, (3) As a mother she has every right to do what ever she wants, with the deadbody of her son, not breaking the rule of the country, and she did not do that, but still these people are accusing her, which is just unacceptable. This only shows that some people can be so illogical, impractical, inhuman, and extreme selfish in just their own attitude; being even extremely wrong.



To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: shossain456@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:01:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
 
SH
Toronto

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM

I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar


-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
 
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
 
Cyrus

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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
  May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in  USA. His mother so called controversial  writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest  the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.





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Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Who are making or trying their best to create a trouble here? Where did you find his wish and under which law you are claiming that crime has been done. I can see few people in this forum and possibly in the community in NY are trying to use religion to create a man-made hoopla. Pray to Allah (or your own god if you are not a muslim) for the dead as well as the family who are going through terrible time because of this death in the family. Try not to make it any more difficult (I am pretty sure our religion will support that) for any one.
 
And, if you really want to do good to others (as our religion has asked us to do) -- come up with list of 100 things you can do in Bangladesh as well as in any other community if you are living outside Bangladesh. I can assure you, "this issue" will not come up in 100s of much better things you can do to make the world a little better place than what it is today.
 
- mashuque

----- Original Message ----
From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:01:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
 
SH
Toronto

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM

I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar


-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
 
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
 
Cyrus

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From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com>
To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com; alochona@yahoogroup s.com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com; notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com; ayubi_s786@yahoo. com; javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com; dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com; chena_kew@yahoo. com; bdmailer@gmail. com; diagnose@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
  May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in  USA. His mother so called controversial  writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest  the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a private matter. To a Muslim, the burial (including washing, Janaza and burial) is the collective obligation of the community. Why did the community fail? The fault is not with the mother if she is a Hindu and is not aware of the Muslim custom. Did any body explain to her that burning a Muslim is not acceptable to the Muslim community? No Muslim would want to wash, do Janaza and bury a non-Muslim. We need more information on this incident. This is not a case for punishing the mother. It is to ensure that such thing do not repeat. Did she resist the explanation of the Muslim community? If the family is sad, so are we.




To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Kraisuddin@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:20 -0400
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups


Since she is a hindu, she did burn her son in the hindu way, I do not see anything wrong in it. She lost her son. She must be grieving a lot. Folks! she is human being. What the criticizers are doing, making triple mistakes: (1) On her worst time of the life, they are giving her serious troubles instead of comforting her, (2) She is hindu, she burnt her dead son, there is nothing wrong in it but they are asking for punishing her more, means, trying to create another hindu-muslim confrontation by which many lives may go, (3) As a mother she has every right to do what ever she wants, with the deadbody of her son, not breaking the rule of the country, and she did not do that, but still these people are accusing her, which is just unacceptable. This only shows that some people can be so illogical, impractical, inhuman, and extreme selfish in just their own attitude; being even extremely wrong.




To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: shossain456@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:01:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
 
SH
Toronto

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM

I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar


-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups

Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
 
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
 
Cyrus

----- Original Message ----
From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com>
To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com; alochona@yahoogroup s.com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com; notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com; ayubi_s786@yahoo. com; javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com; dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com; chena_kew@yahoo. com; bdmailer@gmail. com; diagnose@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
  May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in  USA. His mother so called controversial  writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest  the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.





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[mukto-mona] Baba Saheb Ambedkar: Why Go For Conversion?

Friends,

Hindutva forces have launched a massive campaign across India to combat religious conversions, which mainly takes place among oppresed castes, victims of caste Hindu hegemony who are struggling for liberation from Brahminism. The Hindutva crusade against conversion must be seen as a means to stifle and stamp out the struggle for liberation of the oppressed castes. Below is the text of a speech by Baba Saheb Ambedkar, undoubtedy one of the greatest Indians ever, where he clearly lays down the need for the oppressed castes to convert from Hinduism to egalitarian religions in order to achieve their liberation. It is clear that in denuncing conversions, the Hindurtva lobby are only exhibiting their hatred for Babasaheb.

 

 

Why go for conversion?

Speech by Dr. B.R. Ambedkar

 

 

 
In 1935 at Nasik district, Maharashtra, Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar had declared his firm resolve to change his religion. He had declared that he was born as a Hindu but will not die as Hindu. About a year later, a massive Mahar conference was held on May 30 and 31, 1936, in Mumbai, to access the impact of that declaration on Mahar masses. In his address to the conference, Dr.Ambedkar expressed his views on conversion in an elaborate, well- prepared and written speech in Marathi. Here is an English translation of that speech by Mr.Vasant Moon, OSD to the committee of Govt. of Maharashtra for publication of Writings & speeches of Dr.B.R.Ambedkar
 

Class Struggle

There are two aspects of conversion; social as well as religious; material as well as spiritual. Whatever may be the aspect, or line of thinking, it is necessary to understand the beginning, the nature of Untouchability and how it is practiced. Without this understanding, you will not be able to realize the real meaning underlying my declaration of conversion. In order to have a clear understanding of untouchability and its practice in real life, I want you to recall the stories of the atrocities perpetrated against you. But very few of you might have realized as to why all this happens! What is at the root cause of their tyranny? To me it is very necessary, that we understand it.
This is not a feud between rival men. The problem of untouchability is a matter of class struggle. It is the struggle between caste Hindus and the Untouchables. That is not a matter of doing injustice against one man. This is a matter of injustice being done by one class against another. This "class struggle" has a relation with the social status. This struggle indicates, how one class should keep its relation with another class. This struggle starts as soon as you start claiming equal treatment with others...

Conversion not for slaves

The reason for their anger is very simple. Your behaving on par with them insults them. The untouchability is not a short or temporary feature; it is a permanent one .To put it straight, it can be said that the struggle between the Hindus and the Untouchables is a permanent phenomena. It is eternal, because the religion which has placed you at the lowest level of the society is itself eternal, according to the belief of the Hindu caste people. No change, according to time and circumstances is possible. You are at the lowest rung of the ladder today. You shall remain lowest forever. This means the struggle between Hindus and Untouchables shall continue forever. How will you survive through this struggle is the main question. And unless you think over it, there is no way out. Those who desire to live in obedience to the dictates of the Hindus, those who wish to remain their slaves, they do not need to think over this problem. But those who wish to live a life of self-respect, and equality, will have to think over this. How should we survive through this struggle? For me, it is not difficult to answer this question. Those who have assembled here will have to agree that in any struggle one who holds strength becomes the victor. One, who has no strength, need not expect success. This has been proved by experience, and I do not need to cite illustration to prove it.

Three types of Strength

The question that follows, which you must now consider, is whether you have enough strength to survive through this struggle? Three types of strength are known to man: (i) Manpower, (ii) Finance and (iii) Mental Strength. Which of these, you think that you possess? So far as manpower is concerned, it is clear, that you are in a minority. In Mumbai Presidency, the untouchables are only one-eighth of the total population. That too unorganized. The castes within themselves do not allow them to organize. They are not even compact. They are scattered through the villages. Under these circumstances, this small population is of no use as a fighting force to the untouchables at their critical moments. Financial strength is also just the same. It is an undisputed fact that you at least have a little bit of manpower, but finances you have none. You have no trade, no business, no service, no land. The piece of bread thrown out by the higher castes, are your means of livelihood. You have no food, no clothes. What financial strength can you have? You have no capacity to get redress from the law courts. Thousands of untouchables tolerate insult, tyranny and oppression at the hands of Hindus without a sigh of complaint, because they have no capacity to bear the expenses of the courts. As regards mental strength, the condition is still worst. The tolerance of insults and tyranny without grudge and complaint has killed the sense of retort and revolt. Confidence, vigour and ambition have been completely vanished from you. All of you have been become helpless, unenergetic and pale. Everywhere, there is an atmosphere of defeatism and pessimism. Even the slight idea, that you can do something does not enter your mind.

Muslim Example

If, whatever I have described above is correct then you will have to agree with the conclusion that follows. The conclusion is, if you depend only upon your own strength, you will never be able to face the tyranny of the Hindus. I have no doubt that you are oppressed because you have no strength. It is not that you alone are in minority. The Muslims are equally small in number. Like Mahar- Mangs, they too have few houses in the village. But no one dares to trouble the Muslims while you are always a victim of tyranny. Why is this so? Though there may be two houses of Muslims in the village, nobody dares to harm them, while the whole village practices tyranny against you though you have ten houses. Why does this happen? This is a very pertinent question and you will have to find out a suitable answer to this. In my opinion, there is only one answer to this question. The Hindus realize that the strength of the whole of the Muslim population in India stands behind those two houses of Muslims living in a village and, therefore, they do not dare to touch them. Those two houses also enjoy free and fearless life because they are aware that if any Hindu commits aggression against them, the whole Muslim community from Punjab to Madras will rush to their protection at any cost. On the other hand, the Hindus are sure that none will come to your rescue, nobody will help you, no financial help will reach you. Tahsildar and police belong to caste Hindus and in case of disputes between Hindus and Untouchables, they are more faithful to their caste than to their duty. The Hindus practice injustice and tyranny against you only because you are helpless.

Outside Support

From the above discussion, two facts are very clear. Firstly, you can not face tyranny without strength. And secondly, you do not possess enough strength to face the tyranny. With these two conclusions, a third one automatically follows. That is, the strength required to face this tyranny needs to be secured from outside. How are you to gain this strength is really an important question? And you will have to think over this with an unbiased mind.
From this, you will realize one thing, that unless you establish close relations with some other society, unless you join some other religion, you cannot get the strength from outside. It clearly means, you must leave your present religion and assimilate yourselves with some other society. Without that, you cannot gain the strength of that society. So long as you do not have strength, you and your future generations will have to lead your lives in the same pitiable condition.

Spiritual Aspect of Conversion

Uptil now, we have discussed why conversion is necessary for material gains. Now, I propose to put forth my thoughts as to why conversion is as much necessary for spiritual wellbeing. What is Religion? Why is it necessary? ... 'That which govern people is religion'. That is the true definition of Religion. There is no place for an individual in Hindu society. The Hindu religion is constituted on a class-concept. Hindu religion does not teach how an individual should behave with another individual. A religion, which does not recognize the individual, is not personally acceptable to me.
Three factors are required for the uplift of an individual. They are: Sympathy, Equality and Liberty. Can you say by experience that any of these factors exist for you in Hinduism?

No Equality in Hinduism

Such a living example of inequality is not to be found anywhere in the world. Not at anytime in the history of mankind can we find such inequality, which is more intense than untouchability... I think, you have been thrust into this condition because you have continued to be Hindus. Those of you who have become Muslims, are treated by the Hindus neither as Untouchables nor as unequals. The same can be said of those who have become Christians...
That God is all pervading is a principle of science and not of religion, because religion has a direct relation with the behaviour of man. Hindus can be ranked among those cruel people whose utterances and acts are two poles apart. They have this Ram on their tongues and a knife under their armpits. They speak like saints but act like butchers...
Thus we are not low in the eyes of the Hindus alone, but we are the lowest in the whole of India, because of the treatment given to us by the Hindus.
If you have to get rid of this same shameful condition, if you have to cleanse this filth and make use of this precious life; there is only one way and that is to throw off the shackles of Hindu religion and the Hindu society in which you are bound.
The taste of a thing can be changed. But the poison cannot be made amrit. To talk of annihilating castes is like talking of changing the poison into amrit. In short, so long as we remain in a religion, which teaches a man to treat another man like a leper, the sense of discrimination on account of caste, which is deeply rooted in our minds, can not go. For annihilating caste and untouchables, change of religion is the only antidote.

Untouchables are not Hindus

What is there in conversion, which can be called novel? Really speaking what sort of social relations have you with the caste Hindus at present? You are as separate from the Hindus as Muslims and Christians are. So is their relation with you. Your society and that of the Hindus are two distinct groups. By conversion, nobody can say or feel that one society has been split up. You will remain as separate from the Hindus as you are today. Nothing new will happen on account of this conversion. If this is true, then why should people be afraid of conversion? At least, I do not find any reason for such a fear...

Revolution - Not Reform

Changing a religion is like changing a name. Change of religion followed by the change of name will be more beneficial to you. To call oneself a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Sikh is not merely a change of religion but also a change of name.. Since the beginning of this movement of conversion, various people have raised various objections to it. Let us now examine the truth, if any, in such objections...
A congenital idiot alone will say that one has to adhere to one's religion because it is that of our ancestors. No sane man will accept such a proposition. Those who advocate such an argument, seem not to have read the history at all. The ancient Aryan religion was called Vedic religion. It has three distinct characteristic (features). Beef-eating, drinking and merry-making was part of the religion of the day. Thousands of people followed it in India and even now some people dream of going back to it. If the ancient religion alone is to be adhered to why did the people of India leave Hinduism and accept Buddhism? Why did they divorce themselves from the Vedic religion?... Thus this Hindu religion is not the religion of our ancestors, but it was a slavery forced upon them...
To reform the Hindu society is neither our aim nor our field of action. Our aim is to gain freedom. We have nothing to do with anything else.
If we can gain freedom by conversion, why should we shoulder the responsibility of reforming the Hindu religion? And why should we sacrifice our strength and property for that? None should misunderstand the object of our movement as being Hindu social reform. The object of our movement is to achieve social freedom for the untouchables. It is equally true that this freedom cannot be secured without conversion.

Caste can't be destroyed

I do accept that the untouchables need equality as well. And to secure equality is also one of our objectives. But nobody can say that this equality can be achieved only by remaining as Hindu and not otherwise. There are two ways of achieving equality. One, by remaining in the Hindu fold and another by leaving it by conversion. If equality is to be achieved by remaining in the Hindu fold, mere removal of the sense of being a touchable or an untouchable will not serve the purpose. Equality can be achieved only when inter-caste dinners and marriages take place. This means that the Chaturvarnya must be abolished and the Brahminic religion must be uprooted. Is it possible? And if not, will it be wise to expect equality of treatment by remaining in the Hindu religion? And can you be successful in your efforts to bring equality? Of course not. The path of conversion is far simpler than this. The Hindu society does not give equality of treatment, but the same is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true, then why should you not adopt this simple path of conversion?

Conversion is a simplest path

According to me, this conversion of religion will bring happiness to both the Untouchables as well as the Hindus. So long as you remain Hindus, you will have to struggle for social intercourse, for food and water, and for inter-caste marriages. And so long as this quarrel continues, relations between you and the Hindus will be of perpetual enemies. By conversion, the roots of all the quarrels will vanish... thus by conversion, if equality of treatment can be achieved and the affinity between the Hindus and the Untouchables can be brought about then why should the Untouchables not adopt the simple and happy path of securing equality? Looking at this problem through this angle, it will be seen that this path of conversion is the only right path of freedom, which ultimately leads to equality. It is neither cowardice nor escapism.

Sanctified Racism

Although the castes exist in Muslims and the Christians alike, it will be meanness to liken it to that of the Hindus. There
is a great distinction between the caste-system of the Hindus and that of the Muslims and Christians. Firstly, it must be noted that though the castes exist amongst the Christians and the Muslims, it is not the chief characteristic of their body social.
There is one more difference between the caste system of the Hindus and that of the Muslims and Christians. The caste system in the Hindus has the foundation of religion. The castes in other religions have no sanction in their religion ...Hindus cannot destroy their castes without destroying their religion. Muslims and Christians need not destroy their religions for eradication of their castes. Rather their religion will support such movements to a great extent.

Conversion alone liberates us

I am simply surprised by the question, which some Hindus ask us as to what can be achieved by conversion alone? Most of the present day Sikhs, Muslims and Christians were formerly Hindus, majority of them being from the Shudras and Untouchables. Do these critics mean to say that those, who left the Hindu fold and embraced Sikhism or Christianity, have made no progress at all? And if this is not true, and if it is admitted that the conversion has brought a distinct improvement in their condition, then to say that the untouchables will not be benefited by conversion, carries no meaning...
After giving deep thought to the problem, everybody will have to admit that conversion is necessary to the Untouchables as self-government is to India. The ultimate object of both is the same. There is not the slightest difference in their ultimate goal. This ultimate aim is to attain freedom. And if the freedom is necessary for the life of mankind, conversion of Untouchables which brings them complete freedom cannot be called worthless by any stretch of imagination...

Economic Progress or Social Changes?

I think it necessary here to discuss the question as to what should be initiated first, whether economic progress or conversion? I do not agree with the view that economic progress should precede...
Untouchability is a permanent handicap on your path of progress. And unless you remove it, your path cannot be safe. Without conversion, this hurdle cannot be removed...
So, if you sincerely desire that your qualifications should be valued, your education should be of some use to you, you must throw away the shackles of untouchability, which means that you must change your religion...
However, for those who need this Mahar Watan, I can assure them that their Mahar Watan will not be jeopardized by their conversion. In this regard, the Act of 1850 can be referred. Under the provisions of this Act, no rights of person or his successors with respect to his property are affected by virtue of his conversion...

Poona Pact

A second doubt is about political rights. Some people express fear as to what will happen to our political safeguards if we convert...
But I feel, it is not proper to depend solely on political rights. These political safeguards are not granted on the condition that they shall be ever lasting. They are bound to cease sometime. According to the communal Award of the British Government, our political safeguards were limited for 20 years. Although no such limitation has been fixed by the Poona Pact, nobody can say that they are everlasting. Those, who depend upon the political safeguards, must think as to what will happen after these safeguards are withdrawn on the day on which our rights cease to exist. We will have to depend on our social strength. I have already told you that this social strength is wanting in us. So also I have proved in the beginning that this strength cannot be achieved without conversion...

Political Rights

Under these circumstances, one must think of what is permanently beneficial.
In my opinion, conversion is the only way to eternal bliss. Nobody should hesitate even if the political rights are required to be sacrificed for this purpose. Conversion brings no harm to the political safeguards. I do not understand why the political safeguards should at all be jeopardized by conversion. Wherever you may go, your political rights and safeguards will accompany you. I have no doubt about it.
If you become Muslims, you will get the political rights as Muslims. If you become Christians, you will get the political rights as Christians, if you become Sikhs, you will have your political rights as Sikhs. In short, our political rights will accompany us.
So nobody should be afraid of it. On the other hand, if we remain Hindus and do not convert, will our rights be safe? You must think carefully on this. Suppose the Hindus pass a law whereby the untouchability is prohibited and its practice is made punishable, then they may ask you, 'We have abolished untouchability by law and you are no longer untouchables...
Looking through this perspective, conversion becomes a path for strengthening the political safeguards rather than becoming a hindrance. If you remain Hindus, you are sure to lose your political safeguards. If you want to save them, leave this religion. The political safeguards will be permanent only by conversion.
The Hindu religion does not appeal to my conscience. It does not appeal to my self-respect. However, your conversion will be for material as well as for spiritual gains. Some persons mock and laugh at the idea of conversion for material gains. I do not feel hesitant in calling such persons as stupid.

Conversion brings Happiness

I tell you all very specifically, religion is for man and not man for religion. To get human treatment, convert yourselves.
CONVERT -For getting organized.
CONVERT -For becoming strong.
CONVERT -For securing equality.
CONVERT -For getting liberty.
CONVERT -For that your domestic life may be happy.
I consider him as leader who without fear or favour tells the people what is good and what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don't like it, I must do my duty. And now I have done it.
It is now for you to decide and discharge your responsibility.

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