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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



Thank you for your post Alochok Avijit. Since you are talking about semantics here, the word "Religion" comes from the French word "Religion". This French word is a derivation of the Latin word "Religio", which means piety or conscientiousness. In our modern vocabulary, religion is a generic word to describe a set of beliefs. It wasn't invented by the church, as you seem to suggest. There is no word for "Religion" in either Arabic, Hebrew, Ancient Greek or Latin, or even Pali or Sanskrit. In each of these languages, what they describe as "religion" is a set of beliefs (e.g. "Din" or "Deen" in Arabic, "Orrah" in Hebrew, "Theos + logos" in Greek, "Religio" in Latin, "Kamma" or moral law in Pali, or "Dharm" in Sanskrit).
 
By the way, the Arabic word for "knowledge" is not "Din or Deen". The word "Din" or "Ad-Din" literally means "way of life". Arabic word for "Knowledge" is "Mariqah" or "Al-Mariqah" or even "Al-marefah". Do forgive my spellings. I am not Arab. But you get the point.
 
It is a historical inaccuracy that the concept of "religious war" was waged only by the Crusaders. The concept goes back hundreds of years before that. In Judaism the expression is "Milhement Mitzvah", in Christianity its "Crusade", and in Islam its "Jihad". They all have different meanings and applications, but fundamentally they are all "holy wars", so to speak.
 
But since we are talking about Islamic history, let's make sure that we give accurate information to the readers. After the death of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), the newly founded "Caliphate" began to wage wars against other Semitic tribes, pagan sects, Jewish and Christian tribes of Syria, Jordan valley, and present day Palestine. Abu Bakr justified these "holy wars" as the "Ridda wars" or the "War of Apostasy" and stated that since some of the Semitic Arab tribes are opposing the rule of Caliphate, they must be put down. Sadly enough, in some cases, these Semitic Arab tribes were Muslims but refused to be ruled by Abu Bakr or a Caliphate. During these campaigns, the army of the Caliphate not only fought the Arabs, but also Jews and Christians who considered themselves to be part of the "Ummah", just as the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) intended in Madina.  
 
Secondly, it's a falsehood that the caliphate never waged war on to spread Islam or the knowledge of Islam. A religious war is not always against people of other faiths, but also against people of the same faith who may have different opinions contradicting the majority of followers. During the Umayyad Caliphate, there were several wars between the Umayyads and everyone else, especially the Khijirites. Within 200 years of Prophet's death, the Umayyad Caliphate had successfully obliterated the egalitarian and secular practices of the prophet, and fought two opposing tribes Qays and Kalb who wanted a different Caliph. Other religious wars during the Prophet's lifetime were fought in Uhud, Khandaq, Mecca, and Hunayn, and all these wars were against non-Muslims. It is true that forcible conversion was never a part of Islam, and it is forbidden. However, to live and prosper within the Islamic Caliphate, non-Muslims paid hefty taxes (jizyah). Also, any opposition to the rule of the Islamic Caliphate was met with the might of the sword.
 
I have provided a list of references on Islamic History at the end of this posting that would verify my comments.
 
You argue, "anyone who were wrongfully killed or murdered for creating chaos or spreading dogmas are deserved to be named shahid." By your definition, should we then consider everyone who was ever killed (wrongfully or rightfully), or slaughtered or murdered for creating chaos or spreading dogms (i.e. set of religious practices) "shahids"? I think there is a fundamental difference between the words "slain", "murdered", "assassinated", "martyred", and "Shahid", and they all carry special significance and circumstances. Can an innocent man accidently killed in crossfire be called a "Shahid"? Or should we reserve that title for those who sacrifice themselves for the humanity? I guess that's a moral debate that would take years to solve.
 
I am sure President Zia is held in high esteem by many Bangladeshis, and even though I have serious reservations about his posthumous divinity, I can respect the fact that people feel that way about him. What I cannot and will not accept under any circumstances is the statement that he was the "father and architecture of democratic Bangladesh based on inclusion of all the members of the society." Those of us who have survived the Zia regime know all too well that there was nothing "democratic" about it. In every society and every social science book a "Military Democracy" is still an oxymoron.
 
Just my two cents.
 
Cyrus
 
References: The following notable books would support my assertions about religious wars in Islamic history. I would request you not to interpret them as I did, but rather do so as you deem appropriate.
 
1. Rudolph Peters, Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam
2. Mahmoud M. Ayoub, Islam: Faith and History
3. William M. Watt: Muhammad at Medina
4. Jadunath Sarkar, How the Muslims forcibly converted the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to Islam
5. T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
6. Muhammad Hamidullah: Battlefields of the Prophet Muhammad
7. Abul Ala Maududi, Jihad Fil Islam
8. Albert Hourani and Malise Ruthven,  A History of the Arab Peoples
9. Fazlur Rahman, Islam & Modernity: Transformation of an Intellectual Tradition 

10. Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Islam:Religion, History and Civilization



From: Avijit Dev <avijit_dev@yahoo.co.in>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:22:52 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house

Cyrus wrote:>>I thought a "shahid" is a martyr who sacrifices himself or killed in a religious war.<<

Just get this, Cyrus, that the word "religion" is foreign to Muslim world. The word "religion" is name for the authority of church and that had been replaced by political authorities in different guise in christian countries. And the concept of "religious war" were waged by the crusaders those who were/are wearing a mask of love and for them (crusaders) war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

There are no recorded history any Caliphate had ever waged war on to spread deen[knowledge] . and to spread knowledge[deen] as Koran says, don't compel people to accept deen[knowledge] . Compulsion is not the way of peace[Islam] but it is chaotic what crusaders always did and still does that in the name of "political economic guise" with a political state authority. This distinction must be recognised.

As for who deserves to be named shahid? anyone who were wrongfully killed or murdered for creating chaos or spreading dogmas are deserved to be named shahid.. And Shahid Zia is one of them for many people in Bangladesh. Just as Quran says: killing someone is killing all humanity and saving someone life is saving all humanity.

For many people, late president Zia was decent, honest and was working for a "just cause" or to build pragmatic society instead of totalitarian concept that BAKSAList wanted to achieved.

He was the father or architecture of democratic Bangladesh based on inclusion of all the members of the society. And it is imperative to form a country with all its inhabitants to have a peaceful society and otherwise it is chaotic, dogmatic and intentionally mobilising for chaos to perpetuate destability for alien causes.

There are a few parties under the umbrella of BAL are mobilising for chaos in name of democracy for their masters and those should be recognised and should be awarded them with a tag "neo-rajakar" . And these neo-rajakars' masters' strategy is to divide and conquer and in effect, destroying a nation's industrial base and just as destroying the moral of a country while we remain infighting to each other.

-- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ ...> wrote:
>
> almost 30 years later, I still don't understand why Major Zia was given the posthumous title, "Shahid". I thought a "shahid" is a martyr who sacrifices himself or killed in a religious war. If memory serves me right, he was killed by his own associates. There was no religious war, nor there was any self sacrifice. Just curious!
>
> C





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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished



The other Razakar of the current cabinet is Farrukh Khan. He was not only commissioned
in the Pakistan army and served there during our freedom struggle, his family in Faridpur butchered people of Bangladesh.
 


--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:06 PM

Mr JAC,
 
You are calling somebody else as the father in law of Ms Putul. In other words changing father of her husband. Iamgine what you did.
Problem with you guys are you only know how to twist something false into virtual truth. If you do not know the history, you should not participate in the discussion.
Engr Mosharraf Hossain is an Awami League MP from Chittagong. Mr Khondokar Mosharraf Hossain is a Awami League MP from Faridpur. He was a Razakar Commander. During the last Awami League rule he also killed his own wife but got away because Awami League was in power.
Sorry none of my family member was Razakar.


From: J.A. Chowdhury <Chwdhury@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:21:44 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished

Mr. Shah,
Do u have any avidance that Eng.Khondokar Musharaf Hossain was a Rajakar?
Mr.Musharaf was a Freedom Fighter Commadore of Faridpur area.
Your father, your fourth generation was Rajakar Jamaati,don' t blame
others.

J.A.Chowdhury 

To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: shossain456@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:14:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished

Mr Mosharraf Hossain (father in law of Putul) was a Razakar in 1971.
 
SH


From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@ q8.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 8:12:51 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished

Dear Alochok Enayat

I act like I know everything, but as everyone knows, I don't know everything. I wish to God more of us would use more direct language.

Would it harm you to actually name the two ministers who you are calling rajakars? What are their names? Are they really rajakars? In this way you can spread the ammunition around.

Does the 'Mujib is my real father' crowd know about these two?

Looking forward to learning something new.

Best Wishes

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Enam Haque <enam28@...> wrote:
>
> This time it is going to be more partisan than ever before. So far we have two Razakars in the cabinet. None of them were fired after it became public. None of these two ministers'  family members despite having notorious reputations as Razakars were arrested. This is going to be a game to suppress the opposition.
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ ...>
> Subject: [khabor.com] This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished
> To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:31 AM
>
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> Let me add one more thing, while we are crying to punish 'war criminals', which is very legitimate, we should have done that 35 years ago. We should have formed a 'Truth Commission' and be non-partisan to trial 'war criminals'. Hope Awami League do not politicize this issue, and they will be fair in their justice.
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> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Avijit Dev <avijit_dev@ yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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> From: Avijit Dev <avijit_dev@ yahoo. co.in>
> Subject: [khabor.com] Re: This time, Razakars Should not go unpunished
> To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:34 AM
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> if Soviet Russia didn't attack Afganistan in 80s who would have fought against the aggressor?
>
> if Bush's regime didn't attack Iraq in 2003 who would have fought against the aggressor?
>
> if India didn't attack then east-pakistan in 1970 who would have fought against the aggressor?
>
> let me put hypothetically, would you fight against an aggressor if Hasina's regime needed be overthrown by millitary means in the name of "New bangladeshi freedom"?
>
> If your answer is no, then u r a coward. And if your answer is yes, then u r a rajakar.
>
> --- In khabor@yahoogroups. com, Mizanur Bhuiyan <bhuiyanmr@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
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> > Razakars should be top of the search list. First thing, they should prosecute for being disagreeing with the concept of Bangladesh as an independent country but still they are conducting their political activities without any hesitation. Secondly, they should have punished for looting, arching, raping and murdering innocent public. Third reason, they should thrown to the trial taking advantage and creating division in between pro-liberation parties but keeping their own out of touch. We hope present Government did not keep any hole in their fishing net in which they could pass through. These war criminals should be punished, no matter what. I can guarantee, if this issue is settled then Bangladesh will walk to be a global star.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,regards Mizanur Bhuiyan
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house

Mr. Dev

At the least your name suggest that you are not a muslim. Without going
to the argument who is eligible to be called Shaheed and who is not, may
I know background of your knowledge for the word "shaheed" from Islamic
perspective.

Mr. Avijit Dev, or what may ever your real name is, for the sake of
religion you believe in, come out of this "munafiqat". We know, at
present, people like you or alike you, with fake identities, are
creating trouble in the educational campuses in particular and every
other forum in general,only for the sake of politics. Of course with
lies some times and half truth rest of the time.

Junaid Sultan

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Avijit Dev" <avijit_dev@...> wrote:
>
> Cyrus wrote:>>I thought a "shahid" is a martyr who sacrifices himself
or killed in a religious war.<<
>
> Just get this, Cyrus, that the word "religion" is foreign to Muslim
world. The word "religion" is name for the authority of church and that
had been replaced by political authorities in different guise in
christian countries. And the concept of "religious war" were waged by
the crusaders those who were/are wearing a mask of love and for them
(crusaders) war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.
>
> There are no recorded history any Caliphate had ever waged war on to
spread deen[knowledge]. and to spread knowledge[deen] as Koran says,
don't compel people to accept deen[knowledge]. Compulsion is not the way
of peace[Islam] but it is chaotic what crusaders always did and still
does that in the name of "political economic guise" with a political
state authority. This distinction must be recognised.
>
> As for who deserves to be named shahid? anyone who were wrongfully
killed or murdered for creating chaos or spreading dogmas are deserved
to be named shahid. And Shahid Zia is one of them for many people in
Bangladesh. Just as Quran says: killing someone is killing all humanity
and saving someone life is saving all humanity.
>
> For many people, late president Zia was decent, honest and was working
for a "just cause" or to build pragmatic society instead of totalitarian
concept that BAKSAList wanted to achieved.
>
> He was the father or architecture of democratic Bangladesh based on
inclusion of all the members of the society. And it is imperative to
form a country with all its inhabitants to have a peaceful society and
otherwise it is chaotic, dogmatic and intentionally mobilising for chaos
to perpetuate destability for alien causes.
>
> There are a few parties under the umbrella of BAL are mobilising for
chaos in name of democracy for their masters and those should be
recognised and should be awarded them with a tag "neo-rajakar". And
these neo-rajakars' masters' strategy is to divide and conquer and in
effect, destroying a nation's industrial base and just as destroying the
moral of a country while we remain infighting to each other.
>
> -- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Cyrus thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> >
> > almost 30 years later, I still don't understand why Major Zia was
given the posthumous title, "Shahid". I thought a "shahid" is a martyr
who sacrifices himself or killed in a religious war. If memory serves me
right, he was killed by his own associates. There was no religious war,
nor there was any self sacrifice. Just curious!
> >
> > C
>

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Khaleda to lose cantt. home



Indeed a very big achievement! Evicting a Former Prime Minister from a house she has been living since 1974.
 
SH


From: J.A. Chowdhury <Chwdhury@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:56:36 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Khaleda to lose cantt. home


 
 
I just wrote it yesterday in this forum and today its happend.
Here is the news:
http://www.bdnews24 .com/details. php?cid=2&id=81007&hb=1 
 
Rgds
J.A.Chowdhury
 

Wed, Apr 8th, 2009 3:30 pm BdST
Dial 2324 from your mobile for latest news  
Dhaka, Apr 8 (bdnews24.com)— Exactly a week after the prime minister spoke on the issue in parliament, the cabinet decided Wednesday to cancel the lease on 6 Moinul Road bungalow in Dhaka cantonment, given away to Khaleda Zia after the May 30, 1981 murder of her husband, BNP "founder" and army chief-turned- president Ziaur Rahman.

"Under the lease rules, two houses cannot be allotted to one person. Since one house (the cantonment mansion) was given away in 1981 and then another in 1982, (the cabinet) has decided to cancel one," PMO spokesman Abul Kalam Azad told reporters Wednesday.

"Since Mrs Khaleda Zia was given a second house, on 1.5-bigha in Gulshan, it has been decided to cancel the allotment of the 9-bigha cantonment house," Azad said after a cabinet meeting.

The 2.72-acre mansion was originally the official home of the army chief, a position held by then Lt Gen Zia who then converted himself into a civilian head of state through martial law proclamations and controversial votes.

The cabinet decision came after days of clamour triggered by prime minister Shiekh Hasina's statement in parliament last week that she would ask the slain general's wife to vacate the house and that blocks of apartments would be built in the prime land for families of army officers killed in the Feb mutiny.

"Why should you, being a political leader, live in the cantonment? You were allotted another house on one-and-a-half- bigha land in Gulshan, why will you keep the army land?" Hasina said, speaking in parliament on Apr 1.

Hasina arguments

"I will request her to leave her 6 Shaheed Mainul Road house in Dhaka Cantonment," she told parliament on Apr 1, in reply to a question by Awami League MP and former law minister Abdul Matin Khasru.

"No member of parliament, no leader of the opposition, should live in the cantonment," Hasina said in reply to another query of AL MP for Narayanganj- 2 Nazrul Islam Babu.

"The cabinet will decide whether to cancel this allotted house. I alone cannot decide," she had said.

She said the house was allocated to Khaleda in violation of the Cantonment Board Law.

Hasina had also announced that her younger sister Sheikh Rehana would hand over to the slain BDR officers' families the one-bigha land in Dhanmondi which she was allotted in 2001.

The 2001-06 BNP-led coalition government, immediately after taking over, cancelled the land allocation for Rehana and established Dhanmondi Police Station there.

"We will construct apartments there for some of the families of the martyred army officers," Hasina had declared.

The leader of the House also said the government would build apartments on the 2.72-acre cantonment plot being occupied by Khaleda, and allocate two apartments to each of the families of army officers slain in the BDR mutiny, should the opposition leader return the house.

Each of the family can live in one flat and rent the other.
Khaleda should give the house to the officers' families, Hasina had added.

The prime minister said she checked the minutes of the June 12, 1981 cabinet meeting and found out that it did not allot the house to Khaleda. Instead, it allocated a house to her in Gulshan, Hasina added.

Hasina alleged Khaleda was supposed to leave the Moinul Road house, rather she took the property in her name in addition to a house in Gulshan.

Breach of terms alleged

Khasru told the prime minister that the house was leased out to Khaleda for 99 years with some conditions including restrictions on political activities in the house.

But, Khasru added, Khaleda breached the terms by carrying out political activities at the house, and the head office of Dandy Dyeing was set up there.

The AL MP wanted to know whether the government would cancel the lease on breach of conditions.

Hasina said the cantonment authorities cannot allocate the house to Khaleda, but they did so violating laws.

Khaleda's family mortgaged the house to bank for loan in violation of the lease condition, she added.

To a query of Jatiya Party MP Hafizuddin Ahmed, the prime minister said it was former president HM Ershad who was responsible for allocation of the Mainul Road house to Khaleda.

"Ershad allotted the house to [Khaleda] violating law to make his bhabi (sister-in-law) (Khaleda) happy," Hasina said.

She said the former prime minister was no more insolvent and in fact, now had crores of taka, and so, she should leave the house.

The prime minister also referred to the assets statement Khaleda had submitted to the Anticorruption Commission and said: "We heard (former president) Ziaur Rahman left nothing for her family.

"But the wealth statement filed shows Ziaur Rahman purchased land in Savar and Uttarkhan in Uttara.

"Why should you, being a political leader, live in the cantonment? You were allotted another house on one-and-a-half- bigha land in Gulshan, why will you keep the army land?"

The premier told the House about the facilities given to Khaleda and her two sons after the assassination of her husband.

She was assigned one house in Gulshan and another in cantonment, she and her two sons got Tk 10 lakh, Tk 1,500 a month in bursary to facilitate studies of her sons until 1986, and one vehicle with fuel and a driver.

Hasina said Khaleda was now living at the cantonment home renting the Gulshan house and was enjoying all other facilities.

"But my sister and I did not take any state facilities," she pointed out.

Hasina and Rehana lost most of their family including father, independence architect Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, to a military putsch on Aug 15, 1975.

Ershad lends support

Similar arguments for Khaleda to surrender the house were made by Jatiya Party chairman HM Ershad.

"I think she (Khaleda) should leave the house for the sake of democracy," he told reporters in Rangpur, a day after prime minister Sheikh Hasina made the statement.

"It is not right to run political activities in the cantonment. The cantonment is a restricted area. Acts of sabotage can be carried out if different kinds of people roam the place," said Ershad, another army chief-turned- president.

"I, as the army chief, allotted her the house being concerned about her two sons. If I knew that she would pursue politics there I would not allot it to her."

Zia moved in as deputy chief of staff

The Zia family has been living in the house since the early 1970s.

Ziaur Rahman, who was called by local politicians and broadcasters to read out a declaration of independence in late March 1971 on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and became one of the sector commanders in the bloody war that followed, soon shot in to prominence as a senior military figure in the free Bangladesh.

Zia, made deputy of chief of staff to Maj Gen K M Shafiullah, found himself elevated to major general in just two years from a major in 1971. The family moved in to the sprawling bungalow then.

The young general, then in late 30s, was propelled into virtual state power after the failed Nov 3-7 coup in 1975. Retired colonel Taher rescued him from captivity but was "rewarded" with a hurriedly pronounced and executed death sentence.

Zia removed President A S M Sayem as chief martial law administrator in 1976, appointed himself to the post and then took over as head of state.

The house became Sena Bhaban, the official residence of the chief of the army chief, when Zia was given the job.

Even when he formally left the army and began functioning as a civilian president, he continued to occupy the army house. Before retiring, Zia had promoted himself to the rank of lieutenant general.

His sudden departure from the scene when he was murdered by a group of alleged mutineers created a wave of national sympathy for the family. Known for his financial propriety, Zia apparently left nothing behind for his two sons—Tarique and Arafat Rahman— and widow Khaleda.

In 1981, the BNP government led by Abdus Sattar gave away the nine-bigha house to her. In 1982, after his March 24 takeover, Lt Gen Ershad gifted the 1.5-bigha Gulshan house to ensure, as the former military ruler said on Thursday, a regular source of income for the family of his predecessor.

bdnews24.com/ pc/gna/1648h

 
 
 
 
 
 
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: rah@bpl.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:22:36 +0700
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house
>
> This type of language shows you are a chicken heart person, Try
> to be broadminded. Try to do something for the future. We have
> many problems like
> 1.Drinking water of Dhaka city and other rural areas.Due to water
> we are now attached by many sort of disease, so health and
> medical problem.
> 2.Educational institutions are closing day by day.
> 3.Traffic problem
> 4. Electricity problem
> 5. MAnpower are back from foreign countries so they may create
> accomodation, traffic , food scarcity.
> So think positively.
>
> Thanks & Sorrow
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:59:10 +0000, J.A. Chowdhury wrote
> > Don't worry guys, Kheleda must be remove from Cantonment.
> >
> > Give some times,BAL govt. must be cancell govt allotment
> > of Kheleda's
> >
> > house at 6 Moinul Road, like as BNP did Hasina Rehena
> > house in 2001.Hasina govt.
> >
> > should not forget that.
> > If BNP can cancel govt allocation why not Awami League?
> >
> > So wait and see.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > J.A.Chowdhury
> >
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> > > From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
> > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:21:41 +0000
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and
> cantonment house
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anybody show any single country where a politician, who
> is also the
> > > leader of one of the top political parties, permanently lives
> inside
> > > cantonment? Any civilized countries? Even the not-so-
> civilized ones?
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Mahathir of BD
> > > <wouldbemahathirofbd @...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > can anyone show any single problem for her doing plitics
> living
> > > within cantonment?
> > > >
> > > > ? ( ) , ? , ?
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, musasarkar m_musa92870@ ... wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: musasarkar m_musa92870@ ...
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and
> cantonment house
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:36 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I 100% agree with your "Let her resign the leadership of
> BNP." If
> > > > anybody wants to stay inside the cantonment, he or she
> cannot do
> > > > politics. This should apply to anybody.
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
> <ezajur.rahman@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Alochok Mosharaf
> > > > >
> > > > > Hasina's small minded thinking is obvious in this issue.
> Mean minded
> > > > and
> > > > > shameless. It can easily be countered that Khaleda can
> keep her
> > > > > cantonment home in honour of her husband.
> > > > >
> > > > > But you should also remember that Ziaur Rahman is waiting
> to whip
> > > you
> > > > > with a belt when he finally gets to see you. For whilst
> he might
> > > like
> > > > > the notion of honouring him by giving his wife a
> cantonment home he
> > > > must
> > > > > disgusted that you think youl honour him by making his
> wife Prime
> > > > > Minister!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let her stay in the cantonment. Let her resign the
> leadership of
> > > BNP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let BNP move forward for God's sake!
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mosharraf khan
> mosharrafkhokon@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear brothers & sisters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the widow of retd. Army Chief couldn't reside within
> > > > > > the cantonment, how the widow of shahid Army officers
> will reside?
> > > > Is
> > > > > that
> > > > > > place only for the widows?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I heard that Shahid Zia had been resided in that
> house till
> > > > > > to death from became a major to be the Army Chief,
> President. The
> > > > > remembrance
> > > > > > of Shadhinotar Ghoshok, Shahid President Ziaur Rahman
> should be
> > > keep
> > > > > up by any
> > > > > > cost like the 32 no. house & Tongipara of Bangladesher
> Sthopoti
> > > > > Bangobandhu
> > > > > > Sheikh Mujibar Rahman. We have also seen in the past
> how the
> > > Bailey
> > > > > bridge was
> > > > > > shifted from Zia Uddan to Hobiganj.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In near future we are going to be keeping the
> remembrance
> > > > > > of Khaleda Bibi & Hasina Bubu!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We request to all
> > > > > > please refrain from vindictive activities and build our
> beloved
> > > > > Bangladesh
> > > > > > together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mosharraf Khokon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Poet, Organizer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Secretary General, WPM
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



Looks like we got another Sunita Paul here.  Can you show any evidence of 19 crore taka and which personal purpose Hasina used that during 1996-2001 instead of throwing some random number as an attempt to justify your madam's  corruption?  But you did agree that your madam committed massive corruption since you didn't refute the corruption allegation against Khaleda.  That is a major improvement.  Since Khaleda didn't waste any time to cancel Hasina/Rehana's property allotment after coming back to power in 2001 and you agree on Khaleda's corruptions, the current government can cancel lease on her Cantonment palace, right?  In fact, because of her and her two sons' corruption, she doesn't deserve Gulshan house any more.  Avijit Dev, nice name, can you tell us your real name now?  Please.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Avijit Dev" <avijit_dev@...> wrote:
>
> Prime Minister Hasina did spend public fund of 19 cores for her personal purpose during 1996-2001 period and accepted bullet proof mercedez jeep as a bribe from Simon groups. Her father's house was given to him by then the ispahani's owner as a gift so that he does not bother them as a student leader.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Shamim Chowdhury" veirsmill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Khaleda Zia and her BNP her family members act is full of disgraceful
> > embarrassment for the nation as well as Gen. Zia. She is the only PM in
> > the history of our subcontinent who stashed black money in million. She
> > is disgrace to politics
> >
> >
> >
> > On July 31st of 2007 Khaleda Zia paid Tk 33 lakh to the National Board
> > of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get their
> > undisclosed money legalized. Can you imagine a tax dodger of her kind
> > still do politics and talk trash about others!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Shamim Chowdhury
> >
> > Maryland, USA
> >
> >
> > Committed to PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO KNOW Vol. 5 Num 1127
> > Wed. August 01, 2007 Front Page
> >
> >
> > Khaleda avails NBR amnesty
> > Pays Tk 33 lakh tax to legalise undisclosed money
> > Unb, Dhaka
> >
> > Ex-prime minister Khaleda Zia yesterday paid Tk 33 lakh to the National
> > Board of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get
> > their undisclosed money legalised.
> >
> > The NBR has so far received around Tk 300 crore tax under the amnesty as
> > a total of 8,559 people took the opportunity to whiten black money
> > amounting to Tk 1,622 crore, a senior
> > NBR official told the news agency.
> > The official confirmed that Khaleda, earlier notified by the
> > Anti-Corruption Commission for submitting her wealth statement, declared
> > her undisclosed money yesterday by paying the tax.
> >
> > "She directly deposited the money with Bangladesh Bank and sent a copy
> > of her statement to the NBR through courier service today," he said
> > yesterday evening.
> >
> > The BNP chairperson is among those who availed the last-minute chance
> > before the expiry of the amnesty. However, NBR extended the deadline
> > till September 30.
> > The NBR official said there is nothing illegal in this type of payment.
> > But he declined to give details about Khaleda's total untaxed money
> > declared today.
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, mosharraf khan <mosharrafkhokon@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear brothers & sisters,
> > >
> > > Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh.
> >
> > > If the widow of retd. Army Chief couldn't reside within
> > > the cantonment, how the widow of shahid Army officers will reside? Is
> > that
> > > place only for the widows?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As I heard that Shahid Zia had been resided in that house till
> > > to death from became a major to be the Army Chief, President. The
> > remembrance
> > > of Shadhinotar Ghoshok, Shahid President Ziaur Rahman should be keep
> > up by any
> > > cost like the 32 no. house & Tongipara of Bangladesher Sthopoti
> > Bangobandhu
> > > Sheikh Mujibar Rahman. We have also seen in the past how the Bailey
> > bridge was
> > > shifted from Zia Uddan to Hobiganj.
> > > In near future we are going to be keeping the remembrance
> > > of Khaleda Bibi & Hasina Bubu!!!
> > >
> > > We request to all
> > > please refrain from vindictive activities and build our beloved
> > Bangladesh
> > > together.
> >
> > > Thanks & Regards,
> > > Mosharraf Khokon
> > > Poet, Organizer
> > > Secretary General, WPM
> > >
> >
>



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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



A hidden character does not really contribute anything to the society except cheating and mockery. Who is this Avijit?
 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: avijit_dev@yahoo.co.in
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:35:34 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



Prime Minister Hasina did spend public fund of 19 cores for her personal purpose during 1996-2001 period and accepted bullet proof mercedez jeep as a bribe from Simon groups. Her father's house was given to him by then the ispahani's owner as a gift so that he does not bother them as a student leader.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Shamim Chowdhury" <veirsmill@...> wrote:
>
>
> Khaleda Zia and her BNP her family members act is full of disgraceful
> embarrassment for the nation as well as Gen. Zia. She is the only PM in
> the history of our subcontinent who stashed black money in million. She
> is disgrace to politics
>
>
>
> On July 31st of 2007 Khaleda Zia paid Tk 33 lakh to the National Board
> of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get their
> undisclosed money legalized. Can you imagine a tax dodger of her kind
> still do politics and talk trash about others!!!
>
>
>
> Shamim Chowdhury
>
> Maryland, USA
>
>
> Committed to PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO KNOW Vol. 5 Num 1127
> Wed. August 01, 2007 Front Page
>
>
> Khaleda avails NBR amnesty
> Pays Tk 33 lakh tax to legalise undisclosed money
> Unb, Dhaka
>
> Ex-prime minister Khaleda Zia yesterday paid Tk 33 lakh to the National
> Board of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get
> their undisclosed money legalised.
>
> The NBR has so far received around Tk 300 crore tax under the amnesty as
> a total of 8,559 people took the opportunity to whiten black money
> amounting to Tk 1,622 crore, a senior
> NBR official told the news agency.
> The official confirmed that Khaleda, earlier notified by the
> Anti-Corruption Commission for submitting her wealth statement, declared
> her undisclosed money yesterday by paying the tax.
>
> "She directly deposited the money with Bangladesh Bank and sent a copy
> of her statement to the NBR through courier service today," he said
> yesterday evening.
>
> The BNP chairperson is among those who availed the last-minute chance
> before the expiry of the amnesty. However, NBR extended the deadline
> till September 30.
> The NBR official said there is nothing illegal in this type of payment.
> But he declined to give details about Khaleda's total untaxed money
> declared today.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, mosharraf khan <mosharrafkhokon@>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear brothers & sisters,
> >
> > Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh.
>
> > If the widow of retd. Army Chief couldn't reside within
> > the cantonment, how the widow of shahid Army officers will reside? Is
> that
> > place only for the widows?
> >
> >
> >
> > As I heard that Shahid Zia had been resided in that house till
> > to death from became a major to be the Army Chief, President. The
> remembrance
> > of Shadhinotar Ghoshok, Shahid President Ziaur Rahman should be keep
> up by any
> > cost like the 32 no. house & Tongipara of Bangladesher Sthopoti
> Bangobandhu
> > Sheikh Mujibar Rahman. We have also seen in the past how the Bailey
> bridge was
> > shifted from Zia Uddan to Hobiganj.
> > In near future we are going to be keeping the remembrance
> > of Khaleda Bibi & Hasina Bubu!!!
> >
> > We request to all
> > please refrain from vindictive activities and build our beloved
> Bangladesh
> > together.
>
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Mosharraf Khokon
> > Poet, Organizer
> > Secretary General, WPM
> >
>




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The Dargah of Rehman Baba

GPD

Economic & Political Weekly

Vol XLIV No. 14

April 4, 2009

http://epw.in/epw//uploads/articles/13373.pdf

 

The Taliban has destroyed the Dargah of Rehman Baba on the grounds that women visit it and offer their prayers there. Closer home an ignoramus called Mutalik dictates to all Hindus what Hinduism should be. This Hinduism, it would seem, includes beating up women in the name of "our culture". How long are we to continue to suffer the destruction of the culture and traditions of south Asia's two most prominent religions?

 

G. P. Deshpande, (govind.desh@gmail.comMarathi playwright, was born in 1938 in Nasik, Maharashtra. He received the Maharashtra State Award for his collective work in 1977, and the Sangeet Natak Akademi Award for playwriting in 1996. Prof. Deshpande is known for advocating strong, progressive values not only through his academic writings but also through his creative work. His plays especially reflect upon the decline of progressive values in contemporary life. He is impressively persuasive.

Having specialized in Chinese studies, he currently heads the Centre of East Asian Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University. The Library of Congress has acquired twelve of his books including a few on Chinese foreign policy. Some of his works have been translated into English.

 

In the name of God shall I sing

The One whose name higher than any other

He is the master of all masters

He is the King of all kings...

 

These lines belong to Rehman Baba. Annemarie Schimmel was a German scholar of south Asian Islam and its literatures who published (in 1996) a wonderful book, Glorious Poems from India and Pakistan: Islamic Lyrics of a Thousand Years (as translated from the original German text). The very last lyric there is a rather long poem translated by her from Pashto. What I have cited above are the opening lines of the lyric. They could well belong to Namdev or Meera, but let that be. What you see above is a working translation by me just to give you a feel of Rehman Baba's attitude. I hope some of Rehman Baba's confidence comes across in spite of my admittedly inadequate rendering of the late Schimmel's German rendering of the Pashto text.

 

"If I sing in the lord's name, my master, in fact the only master in the world, nobody can stop me for I do His wish" is what he is saying.

 

Rehman Baba's full name was Abdurrahman Mohmand (sic). He was born in 1653 south of Peshawar and died not far from his birthplace in 1711. His kabr became a pilgrimage centre in a manner of speaking. It is visited by thousands even now. Or was, shall we say? The Taliban has now destroyed the Dargah on the grounds that women visit it and offer their prayers there. Talking about the poem immediately preceding Baba's poem Schimmel speaks of the two line verses employed there as a popular form not infrequently

composed by women. The Taliban thinks that all this is non-Islamic. What they certify as non-Islamic is naturally also anti-Islamic. This form, called Tappas, described by Schimmel as the most loved folk form in Pashto, was always musical. She has translated the Tappas of Khushal Khan Khatak. Almost all folk forms of poetry are women-oriented in south Asia. So are they in the land of the Pakhtoons. Now these forms are threatened.

 

Annemarie Schimmel is dead. Otherwise one wonders how she would have suffered the destruction of the

culture and traditions of south Asian Islam. She was so fond of the area and its culture. There is a huge necropolis in a place called Thatta in Sind. Her admirer once told me in Karachi that she had on one occasion said, perhaps semi-seriously, that she would like to be buried in that necropolis. Now, as I remember it, I feel that it is just as well that if true her wish was not fulfilled. For all one knows, the Taliban would have made it out of bounds for her.

 

Callous to Tradition

It is extraordinary that south Asian Islam should have been so insensitive to its own cultural traditions. I suppose that this area has generally been so unmindful of its political and religious culture. A poet's grave was destroyed in Gujarat. That was no Taliban's doing. Then some Sree Ram Sene, as we talked about in this column last time, decided to announce that the Hindu culture was under threat. The how and why of it remained mysteriously under wrap. The Sene activists went berserk and Mangalore women were beaten up. All that is a familiar story. The Bamian Buddhas went down to the Butshikans (iconoclasts) at Bamian in Afghanistan.

 

It was always a mystery when and how the south Asians lost their sense of history. There are perhaps no other people who are so callous to their own history. As if it was not bad enough they are now proclaiming a new version of history. A fellow called Mutalik is now telling me what Hindu culture is. Not just me, he is proclaiming it to all Hindus. He is an ignoramus. That would not have been a problem in itself. It is one because he has designed a pop Hinduism that seems to take Mutalik to be a modern day Sankaracharya. He lays down what Hinduism is or rather should be. This Hinduism, it would seem, includes beating up women in the name of "our culture". It is perfectly in order or so the Vanar Sene has decided.

 

Rehman Baba who has been lying there near Peshawar for 300 years is now being told that he must pay the price for women praying at his Dargah. The Dargah must be devastated. And it was. The Taliban recorded yet another of its triumphs. Rehman Baba had almost rhetorically asked once:

 

"Who but The God, powerful, can make the sun rise and set in the sky?"

 

Today we can see that the sun has set. Rehman Baba's grave is no longer there. In another few years people would not be able to show the place where the Dargah existed.

 

Women are now out of the picture. It has been a convention of the south Asian Bhakti tradition that women were always a part of it. In one stroke the Taliban activists have destroyed a thousand year tradition. Mutalik laid down for us what Hindu culture is. The Taliban are doing this for a while now. They proclaim what Islam is or should be. The entire project is frightening. South Asian religious tradition was always democratic.

 

The culture was cheerful and colourful here. A certain dry barrenness is taking over. One is tempted to tell Mutalik and his ilk that religion and culture are surely threatened, except that it is endangered by them. In fact we now have a double threat. One is the fundamentalists who cite the authority and texts to ban or destroy something. The other is the "pop religion" which decides the cultural mores for everyone, especially for women. In both cases it is an allegedly fundamentalist ignorance that is leading to violence. In this particular case, as I have stated, there is a systematic attack on south Asian Islamic practices. The Dargahs, the music there, the multi-religious and multi-gender worshipping there were a major source of their popularity. And who would forget the music?

 

Bent on Self-destruction

The near suicidal tendencies that obtain in fundamentalism are contributing to the destruction of this tradition. In May 2005, the Lashkar-e-Taiba was allegedly responsible for the destruction of the 14th century shrine of Saint Zainuddin Wali of Ashmuqam. There was an unsuccessful effort at destroying the shrine of a mystic of north Kashmir, Ahad B'ab Sopore, and so on.

 

We seem to be on a self-destructive trip. This part of the world has had an unfortunate history of self-destruction. The greatest tragic epic of the world is the Mahabharata that is perhaps the first depiction of such self-destruction. This kind of self-ruination always brings in its wake a terrifying celebration. We are presently witness to that kind of perverse celebration. In a sense, destruction of these shrines or mosques is destruction of history. That all this should happen here and all these enthusiasts should not realise what they are doing is mind-boggling. Maybe, cultures, in a suicidal mood, have no time or interest in history or religion and spirituality.

 

Maybe there is little use wailing over this. This destructive instinct seems to follow us everywhere. At the end of Mahabharata, at the end of that monstrous destruction, the sage Vyasa has already voiced the futility of shouting against it. "I stand here, my hands raised and shout. Nobody listens to me". Or, that Pashto poet Khatak says unto God: "I call you. But you do not respond".

 

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



Mr. Avijit Dev,
Please cite evidence for your allegations....
 
Regards,
Zahid

 
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Avijit Dev <avijit_dev@yahoo.co.in> wrote:


Prime Minister Hasina did spend public fund of 19 cores for her personal purpose during 1996-2001 period and accepted bullet proof mercedez jeep as a bribe from Simon groups. Her father's house was given to him by then the ispahani's owner as a gift so that he does not bother them as a student leader.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Shamim Chowdhury" <veirsmill@...> wrote:
>
>
> Khaleda Zia and her BNP her family members act is full of disgraceful
> embarrassment for the nation as well as Gen. Zia. She is the only PM in
> the history of our subcontinent who stashed black money in million. She
> is disgrace to politics
>
>
>
> On July 31st of 2007 Khaleda Zia paid Tk 33 lakh to the National Board
> of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get their
> undisclosed money legalized. Can you imagine a tax dodger of her kind
> still do politics and talk trash about others!!!
>
>
>
> Shamim Chowdhury
>
> Maryland, USA
>
>
> Committed to PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO KNOW Vol. 5 Num 1127
> Wed. August 01, 2007 Front Page
>
>
> Khaleda avails NBR amnesty
> Pays Tk 33 lakh tax to legalise undisclosed money
> Unb, Dhaka
>
> Ex-prime minister Khaleda Zia yesterday paid Tk 33 lakh to the National
> Board of Revenue (NBR) under an amnesty offered to tax dodgers to get
> their undisclosed money legalised.
>
> The NBR has so far received around Tk 300 crore tax under the amnesty as
> a total of 8,559 people took the opportunity to whiten black money
> amounting to Tk 1,622 crore, a senior
> NBR official told the news agency.
> The official confirmed that Khaleda, earlier notified by the
> Anti-Corruption Commission for submitting her wealth statement, declared
> her undisclosed money yesterday by paying the tax.
>
> "She directly deposited the money with Bangladesh Bank and sent a copy
> of her statement to the NBR through courier service today," he said
> yesterday evening.
>
> The BNP chairperson is among those who availed the last-minute chance
> before the expiry of the amnesty. However, NBR extended the deadline
> till September 30.
> The NBR official said there is nothing illegal in this type of payment.
> But he declined to give details about Khaleda's total untaxed money
> declared today.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, mosharraf khan <mosharrafkhokon@>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear brothers & sisters,
> >
> > Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh.
>
> > If the widow of retd. Army Chief couldn't reside within
> > the cantonment, how the widow of shahid Army officers will reside? Is
> that
> > place only for the widows?
> >
> >
> >
> > As I heard that Shahid Zia had been resided in that house till
> > to death from became a major to be the Army Chief, President. The
> remembrance
> > of Shadhinotar Ghoshok, Shahid President Ziaur Rahman should be keep
> up by any
> > cost like the 32 no. house & Tongipara of Bangladesher Sthopoti
> Bangobandhu
> > Sheikh Mujibar Rahman. We have also seen in the past how the Bailey
> bridge was
> > shifted from Zia Uddan to Hobiganj.
> > In near future we are going to be keeping the remembrance
> > of Khaleda Bibi & Hasina Bubu!!!
> >
> > We request to all
> > please refrain from vindictive activities and build our beloved
> Bangladesh
> > together.
>
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Mosharraf Khokon
> > Poet, Organizer
> > Secretary General, WPM
> >
>




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