America is still a free country in spite of occasional faults. This is the best place in the world to live. You still can express your opinion with out fear of your life, political goons will not come after you. If you are honest and work hard, most likely you will reach 'American dream'.
--- On Fri, 5/30/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Student and Staff arrests at Nottingham University under under Terrorism Act - Please To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 8:16 AM
Sir, Alochona is one thing and spreading lies against a nation, where everybody's opinion is heard, everybody's free to say or do whatever he/she wants remaining with bounds of law and without spreading violence, even Gays and Lesbians are allowed to marry in some states. If your children are being told to keep their mouth shut in USA, they must be pretty obnouxious because mine are not and neither do I. If our children are being told to shut up, how come one of our children is one of the 50 Governors of USA? How come one of my cousins is Police Chief of a major city of USA? How come Khaki, an Urdu Speaking Shiyah of a poor family from Karachi is Senior VP of Microsoft? How come Safi Quraishi, an other Urdu Speaking of a poor family from Karachi could own AST Computer Company and still is worth a billion dollars? There are dozens of such success stories and you think, our Moslims achieved all that because they were told to keep their mouths shut in USA?
Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail.com> wrote: Mr. Turkman:
I requested you not to lose your temper but to read what I wrote and reflect on it. This forum is supposed to be "Alochona". How can you engage in Alochona with a person who loses temper and resort to indecent language. This will be my last posting on this. You are welcome to have the last word.
Aziz Huq
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com From: turkman@sbcglobal. net Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:49:38 -0700 Subject: [ALOCHONA] Student and Staff arrests at Nottingham University under under Terrorism Act - Please
Sir, I'm 61. Have lived in USA since 1973 and nobody has ever shut my mouth or my children's mouth because they are not Traitors of USA like most Moslims like to be doesn't matter how good they are being treated, what kind of great jobs they find and how much they prosper beyond their own dreams. You started criticizing me without understanding, what I wrote. No country can tolerate subversive Terrorist Activity in the name of eqality, Freedom of Speech and Expression. If you don't like it, go back ...! Nobody's is forcing you to stay in a rich advanced country that is not yours to start with. Is there something wrong with becoming civilized and not being a thankless idiot or its part of your Islam to keep hating others?
Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail. com> wrote: Mr. Turkman:
Your comment is smart but lacks sensitivity.
Bangladesh has many problems and lack of human rights is one of them. No Hindu migrates to Bangladesh in search of safety and prosperity. We have a long way to go before that becomes a reality.
But the UK and US and most western countries boast of high standard of human rights and freedom. We have immigrated to these countries in search of opportunities and freedom. You will feel the pain when your children grow up in this country, go to the university but are forced to keep their mouth shut (like the Hindus do in Bangladesh).
As parents, we have to ensure that our children are not misdirected to do any thing to harm the society we live in but also ensure that we leave behind a society which is free for them to pursue freedom of thought.
Please do not jump to criticize what I wrote but give some thoughts.
Aziz Huq
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com From: turkman@sbcglobal. net Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:23:13 -0700 Subject: [ALOCHONA] Student and Staff arrests at Nottingham University under under Terrorism Act - Please Circulate!!! Terrorism Act - Please Circulate!!!
We can't blame British for arresting those Moslim Students because if a Hindu Religious Terrorist Group was at war against Bangladesh and had published a Manual on how to commit acts of Terrorism in Bangladesh and some Hindu Indian student of Dhaka University had downloaded that Manual to distribute amongst Hindu Indian Students of Bangladesh, Bangladesh Police would have done the same. I see, not infringement of Academic Freedom in U.K. in this case.
Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net> wrote: Dear Friends I'm writing to call your attention to a recent incident at the University of Nottingham, where a one of our Graduate Students at the School of Politics and International Relations and an administrative member of staff at the Department of Engineering were arrested by armed police under the Terrorism Act of 2000. Their alleged "crime" was that the graduate student had downloaded an Al-Qaeda training manual from a US government website for research purposes, as he's writing his MA dissertation on Islamic extremism and international terrorist networks. He had then sent this to his friend in the Department of Engineering for printing. The printed material had been spotted by other staff and reported to the University authorities who passed on the information to the police. The two were then arrested by armed police on May 14 and held for six days without charge, before being released without charge on May 20. During the six days they were imprisoned, the men had their homes raided and their families harassed by the police. It is worth noticing that in talking to one of my colleagues, a police officer remarked that the incident would never have occurred if the persons involved had been "blonde, Swedish PhD students" (the two men were of British-Pakistani and Algerian backgrounds respectively) . The incident was recently reported in the Times Higher Education Supplement online: http://www.timeshig hereducation. co.uk/story. asp?sectioncode= 26&storycode=402125&c=2 Needless to say, this raises hugely important issues both about academic freedom and civil liberties. Obviously, there is the issue that for those of us involved in research on contentious issues we will by necessity have to consult primary materials of a controversial nature, and the fact that the material is controversial should not lead to it being deemed as illegitimate research material. Moreover, we should not under any circumstances have to fear for infringements upon our civil liberties as a consequence of doing our jobs. Moreover, it goes without saying that the university should guarantee the academic freedom, freedom of speech and expression, and civil liberties of all members of staff and students, irrespective of ethnic and religious background or political beliefs! I would be most grateful if you could circulate this e-mail as widely as possible in the interest of raising awareness and attention about this incident and the wider issues of academic freedom that it gives rise to, to as many of your friends and colleagues as possible! I would of course also be very grateful if any of you would be willing to write to the University of Nottingham to express your concern about this issue. If you are willing to do so, please contact me as soon as possible. Regards Alf Dr. Alf Gunvald Nilsen RCUK Fellow, Centre for the Study of Social and Global Justice, School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham http://www.nottingh am.ac.uk/ cssgj/index. phpUniversity Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD, England, UK
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