I do not think Davdas and you have the clear picture about Afghanistan or Taliban Since I am occupied with my business I will cut short and only one thing I like to mention that is Military is not the solution, killing innocent people should not be called victory. Shame on those people who promote Militarism Anis Rahman Love and Commitment
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Trishool <lalhgehi@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Trishool <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: US in Afghanistan failure warning
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Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 9:59 AM
As Gandhiji so eloquently said, 'One man standing for Truth makes a majority'. These Talibans are bold, reckless, sense-less, suicidal, materialistic, sparing nothing, fearing nothing, and contemptuous of the infidel powers. You, I, Putin, and Obama--must become as bold, as reckless, as senseless, as suicidal, spare nothing, fear nothing and contemptuous of the forces of darkness and the forces of backwardness. Time has come for us,
VERY WELL SAID, SAIF JI.
" LOHEY KO, LOHA HI KAAT TA HAI "
UNLESS WORLD LEADERS, THINK AND ACT LIKE, VIOLENT, RUTHLESS, TALIBANS, IN DEALING WITH UNCIVILIZED TALIBANS, THEY CAN NOT WIN THE WAR WITH THEM. !!
THEY ONLY UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE, AND ACT OF POWER, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE OF PEACE AND DIPLOMACY.
EVEN IN JUNGLE, THE LION UNDERSTANDS THE POWER OF GUN, AND HE AVOIDS FACING BULLETS OF GUNS.!
PERMANENT PEACE COMES WITH POWER, NOT WITH COWARDLY SURRENDER, OR SUBMISSION, TO ENEMY, FOR FALSE CONCEPT OF PEACE.!
Trishool.
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:
From: SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com>
Subject: US in Afghanistan failure warning
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Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:13 AM
We cannot blur the basic truth, opines Yuhud Barak. "We are a generation of fighters, and in the Middle East, there is no mercy for the weak and there will not be a second opportunity for those who do not know how to defend themselves." Never in the annals of history were truer words spoken. Vast majority of Americans have forgotten that we have a rendezvous with destiny. We must preserve this with our blood. Wine, woman, cocaine, baseball, gambling, football and wrestling have turned us not only into bunch of Idiots, morons, dumb, dumber and stupid---but also turned us into spineless and gutless weasels. A soldier knows full well for what purpose he is fed in the peace time. With his blood, he preserves the truth, peace, justice and liberty. He must not forget his vow to obliterate or get obliterated in the battlefield. He has not gone there to come back. It is very tempting for us to walk away from Afghanistan. It is very easy for us to walk away from Afghanistan. We the Americans must not act like cry babies. It is about time we again read the Persian Zoroastrian mythologies, in which the Universe is divided into two distinct Forces—that is the force for Good and the Force for Evil. Like the Zoroastrians, we can tell that the end of time would witness a final, cataclysmic battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil—the end result would be the final triumph of the forces of good. Dear Mr. Obama--We the Americans should never dither in our steadfast commitment to the supreme ideals of Sanctity of Life, Liberty, Plurality, Democracy and the Supreme belief in the Freedom of Conscience. If we withdraw our troops, it will be the most shameless and gutless betrayal of Afghan women and children. As Gandhiji so eloquently said, 'One man standing for Truth makes a majority'. These Talibans are bold, reckless, sense-less, suicidal, materialistic, sparing nothing, fearing nothing, and contemptuous of the infidel powers. You, I, Putin, and Obama--must become as bold, as reckless, as senseless, as suicidal, spare nothing, fear nothing and contemptuous of the forces of darkness and the forces of backwardness. Time has come for us, the Americans, to take one last stand. This is our defining moment. This is the moment that tests the testicular fortitude of a proud people. This is the stuff that defines a great civilization. This is our moment of truth—to live with dignity or to die with dignity—there cannot be any other option. If we abandon Afghanistan—the Talibans will win and take the country to the days of 7th Century Arabia. Progressive forces will immigrate to the West, Women's fate will be sealed, human rights vanished, and constitutional form of Government can kiss its ass good bye. It is very tempting for us to make a deal with them. Mr. President--please don't. If we abdicate our historical responsibility, for the sake of expediency, we will be condemned by the history and it will be the beginning of the end. For the survival of the Human Race--We the Americans must defeat the Talibans--just as we had decisively defeated Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and Totalitarism. The alternative is another bloodbath, destabilization in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, India, a civil war and a possible Nuclear Armageddon. SaifDevdas
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From: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:31:39 -0700
Subject: [khabor.com] US in Afghanistan failure warning
| US in Afghanistan failure warning |  The general's report carries a direct call for extra troops | The US mission in Afghanistan will "likely result in failure" unless troops are increased within a year, the top general there has said in a report. Gen Stanley McChrystal made his assessment in a copy of a confidential report obtained by the Washington Post. He recently called for a revised military strategy in Afghanistan, suggesting the current one is failing. More than 30,000 extra US troops have been sent to Afghanistan since May - almost doubling the US contingent. The number of US troops in Afghanistan is already set to rise to 68,000 by the end of the year.  | ANALYSIS Paul Reynolds, BBC world affairs correspondent
Gen McChrystal has dared to use the F-word - "failure". He wants a super-surge of troops to try to avoid that. Reinforcements are already being sent, almost doubling US troops by the end of this year. Now, the general wants perhaps tens of thousands more. Yet the request is in contrast to the stated goal of handing over operations more and more to the Afghan army. With the situation so critical, how can that happen? Answer - it cannot for the time being. And will President Obama agree? He is reluctant just to add to the numbers but without numbers, how can the US and its allies win? And will the Nato allies give more help? This must be doubtful.
| Stark concerns have previously been expressed about the viability of the military mission in Afghanistan, but the BBC's Paul Reynolds says what is new about the general's warning is his outright use of the word "failure". Gen McChrystal, who took over as military commander in May, is expected to make a separate request for tens of thousands of extra forces to be deployed. He also says that training for Afghan forces needs to be speeded up - and that the growth of Afghan forces should also be accelerated. A senior adviser to Afghan President Hamid Karzai said the government was not against more international troops being sent, though their success would depend on where they were sent. But he agreed that domestic forces were crucial to the operation. "Our official stance is that until our security forces are strengthened, both in terms of numbers and quality, there won't be a long-lasting peace in Afghanistan, " Sebghatullah Sanjar told the BBC. US President Barack Obama has recently said the right strategy for Afghanistan will have to be found before any fresh commitment of forces can be considered. 'Mission failure' | MARDELL'S AMERICA  [Obama] will find it tough to sell the general's policy to a party and public reluctant to see more men and women sent to bolster an Afghan government accused of election fraud  Mark Mardell
BBC North America editor | In his latest assessment, Gen McChrystal is quoted by the Washington Post newspaper as saying: "Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term [next 12 months]... risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible." He warns that "inadequate resources will likely result in failure". "Additional resources are required," the general states in the summary of the report. He says that failure to provide adequate resources "risks a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support". "Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure." HAVE YOUR SAY It can be a success if all parties develop a backbone coupled with a clearly defined goal Rich P, Milwaukee, Wisconsin But Gen McChrystal adds that the increase in troop numbers must come in the context of a revised military strategy in the country. He has consistently called for a strategy which makes its top priority the protection of the Afghan people. In the report Gen McChrystal also: - Provides new details about the sophisticated nature of the Taliban insurgency
- Criticises Nato forces for focusing more on tackling insurgents than protecting Afghan civilians
- Censures the Afghan government for lack of action on widespread corruption
- Warns that Afghanistan' s prisons have become a sanctuary for active insurgents
All of these factors, he claims, have led to a "crisis of confidence among Afghans" in the face of a resilient insurgency. | MCCHRYSTAL'S NEW STRATEGY Focus on protecting civilians when fighting insurgents Interact more closely with local populations More troops needed for effective counter-insurgency Better training for Afghan forces to operate independently Government and NGOs to provide services after military action More constructive engagement with Taliban fighters willing to talk | The increase in troop numbers would provide security for the Afghan people and create a space in which good governance can take root, Gen McChrystal argues. In a blunt evaluation, he says that both the Afghan government and international forces face losing credibility among the Afghan population. "Pre-occupied with protection of our own forces, we have operated in a manner that distances us - physically and psychologically - from the people we seek to protect," he says. But 2009 has been the deadliest year for foreign troops in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban in 2001. Italy is holding a day of mourning for six soldiers killed in a Kabul bomb attack last week. And the future of German troops in Afghanistan has become a central issue in Germany's election campaign. The Washington Post says that the report has been presented to US Defence Secretary Robert Gates. A recent opinion poll showed that a narrow majority of Americans now oppose the conflict. Last week the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm Mike Mullen, told the US Senate Armed Services Committee that more troops might be required to tackle the mounting Taliban insurgency. But President Obama later said there was "no immediate decision pending" on sending more troops to Afghanistan. "You have to get the strategy right and then make the determination about resources," Mr Obama said. The BBC's security correspondent Nick Childs says the timing of this leak, and the stark language contained in it, is certain to pile the pressure on the Obama administration, particularly when the president has just said he is not ready to make a final decision. This is largely because the issue has become so politically charged in Washington, our correspondent says. US MEDIA REACTION TO MCCHRYSTAL REPORT  It's worth remembering that while we're reading about the strategy review's details now, Obama read it weeks ago, and still told David Gregory [on Sunday] that he refuses to add troops until he's convinced that the strategy is correct. 
This is a way for McChrystal's voice - missing so far from the debate - to be heard loud and clear, making the case for counter-insurgency tactics and more troops to back them up.
I would guess that this leak is an indication that some on the Obama team are dismayed at the White House's slow response and fear that this is an indication that President Obama is leaning towards rejecting the inevitable requests for additional US forces that this report tees up. By this logic, the leak is designed to force his hand and perhaps even to tie his hands.
What is evident by the McChrystal recommendation (and by the apparent need to leak its contents, stemming no doubt from frustration with the White House stall) is that there is good reason to be concerned that the president's failure to make a prompt decision may in and of itself impair our ability to succeed.
Already, Republicans are warning that Obama had better follow the military's advice, or else. In fact, the president can afford to cross swords with the GOP troglodytes, but what he can't afford is to alienate his own Democratic party base, which has overwhelmingly rejected the war.
What, exactly, does he propose to do with the additional troops? If the idea is to spread them out in some way (for troop training, insurgent fighting, population protection, etc.), his request should probably be viewed skeptically. But if he can propose some key operation or area where additional troops would represent a doubling or tripling of capacity and success might have an outsize effect on the entire conflict, then it might be worth trying.
| INTERNATIONAL TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN Note: Map shows only Isaf troops - the US contributes additional forces | | http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/8266072. stm |
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