Dear Alochoks
The fact is that after a bloody war of independence with massive loss of life and the chaos of a new born third world country, it's nothing unusual to see action against the ruler who unilaterally decides to curb the very democracy which empowered him in the first place.
The fact is that no one necessarily needs to be pro indian, anti indian, propakistan or anti pakistan in order to take the law into their own hands. Men, both good and bad, both right and wrong, can move according to the gyroscope that keeps thier hearts beating.
Though nowadays it seems we wouldn't fight the devil himself if he grabbed power - as long as we were allowed the occassional photo opportunity with him,.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@...> wrote:
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> Saif, can you prove me that Mujib removed the word 'Muslim'. Ershad who ruled the Bangladesh for the longest time was trained in India for a year before snatching power. How can you call him anti-Indian when he called Pronob Mukharjee after the last election to get the presidentship. He maintained  a long good friendship with the leading Indian politicians. BNP which opened the market for Indian products, how can you call it anti-Indian..
> In Dhaka, I have seen in 70s, 80s, 90s and still now the Tata buses (craps) at the government run BRTC. Whereas with the same money, they  could buy the Volvo buses. Don't tell me they were anti Indian. How many proofs do you need? None of the governments made any military or diplomatic efforts to get the 3 bigha when Mujib made 3rd amendment to the constitution to give a gift of Berubari to India.
> I know your definition may be different. You may think giving gas, import everything from India, having no foreign policy like now, no defense force - keeping Indian forces in our land for our protection is not anti Indian. Selling Bangladeshi hilsha fish at subsidized price to India doesn't make you pro Indian while Bangladeshis buy the same fish for higher prices, it makes you a back-boneless toe sucker.
> I don't have the newspaper but some of the major Indian newspaper claimed to have a RAW connection to Mujib's killing. The military men who killed Mujib were anti Pakistani pro Indian freedom fighters. Some of them had their  professional military courses in 73/74/75 in India.
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> From: SAIF Davdas islam1234@...
> Subject: RE: [khabor.com] Re: Re: Bangladesh/Failed/State
> To: "shumon" shumonoh@...
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:31 PM
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> Shuman> Can you provide any reference with respect to Bhashani removing the 'Muslim' from Awami Muslim League? I will be grateful. Here you go again. You are using your Islamic Logic again. If Raw had Mujib killed, how come for the next 26 years a anti-india government was in power in Bangaldesh?
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> To: khabor@yahoogroups.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:09:07 -0800
> Subject: RE: [khabor.com] Re: Re: Bangladesh/Failed/State
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> Saif, Mujib didn't remove Muslim from Awami League, it was Bhashani who removed Muslim. You know what is your problem - your problem is to give credit to Mujib for everything, even if it requires you to distort the history. It wasn't sauds or Islamists who killed Mujib, it was a joint effort of RAW and secularist forces of Bangladesh who killed Mujib. Do you see Islamic lifestyle in any of the killers of Mujib? The killers belong to inner circles of Mujib himself.
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> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, SAIF Davdas islam1234@msn. com> wrote:
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> From: SAIF Davdas islam1234@msn. com>
> Subject: RE: [khabor.com] Re: Re: Bangladesh/Failed/ State
> To: "Khabor" khabor@yahoogroups. com>, mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com, "Nizam" nzh.biman@gmail. com>, "Nizam" nizam_moer@sky. com>, "asghar" msa7011@yahoo. com>, "Farid" <akhtergolam@ gmail.com>, "Alamgir" malamgir1@aol. com>, "Shamim" veirsmill@yahoo. com>, turkman@sbcglobal. net, "Tasneem" <tasneembr11@ yahoo.com>, "kamal" kamal4000@yahoo. com>, "Dr Khalida" <drkbegum2021@ yahoo.com>, "onasis" cdm@..., "jiban" <imrulalqays@ gmail.com>, "Ashraf" syguia@..., "MOZUMDER" mozumder@aol. com>, "Mushtaq" mushtaq1@msn. com>, "ulfat" ukabir@hotmail. com>, "Munir" captmunir@gmail. com>, "M. A Solaiman" abusol123@hotmail. com>, "Mir" <jjmchowdhury@ optonline. net>, "SULTAN" rascx@yahoo. com>, "Jashim" <jashimuddin@ comcast.net>, "SajjadBhai" <sajjad.rahman@ acdi-cida. gc.ca>, "Shomee" samireaz@hotmail. com>, kaljatri@emailme. net, "Ajmol ali" ajmol.ali@treas. state.nj. us>, "anis90" anis90242@yahoo. com>, "lal" lalhgehi@yahoo. com>,
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> Fact:  Mujib removed the word ‘Muslim’ from Awami Muslim League thereby giving it a secular character in 1949. Fact: Six points was all about economic exploitation of East Pakistan by West Pakistan, nothing to do with religion. Mujib was a Nationalist. Islam rejects ideology of nationalism. When Mujib took power he immediately introduced secularism as a state principle. That hurt the feelings of Muslim majority in Bangladesh and the Muslim world at large--particularly the house of Sauds. Had Mujib declared Bangladesh a Muslim country, he would probably have been alive today. To understand this mind set one must study the history of Islam in the Indian Subcontinent. The defeated soldiers of Allah got the opportunity of life time when the brain-dead secular forces of scientific socialism unknowingly gave the opportunity to unite and overthrow the Mujib government. Zia changed the constitution by way of Fifth Amendmentâ€"established the rule of
> Allah---destroyed secular ideals and helped in establishing the Communal Republic of Bangladesh. Islam was saved from the Kafir and it became the State Ideology. In 1982, a most corrupt individual in the annals of history took power in Bangladesh . This slave of Allah surpassed even Zia in licking the boots of the Islamicists in Bangladesh . By way of 8th amendment he fulfilled the will of Allah and declared Islam the State Religion, thereby guaranteeing for himself 72 virgins in heaven. Have you forgotten what happened to that whiskey sipping madam? Who she went to bed with to become the prime minister? As the saying goes, the rest is history. To be sure, the other lady is no less corrupt. Her shameful record of sleeping with the slaves of Allah is surely turning her deep-at-heart- secular-father turning profusely in the grave.
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> >Bongobondhoo’s cherished dream of building the foundation of the
> >nation on the >basis of a secular ideology, has gone up in the smokes.
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> Â Â Let me give some bitter pills of truth here. As much I share with
> Â Â you the concern about "the proliferation of the Islamic extremism
> Â Â and fundamentalism" , I disagree that nation based on secular
> Â Â ideology was Mujib's cherished dream. Secularism was never a part
> Â Â of AL manifesto ever before independence. You will not find it in
> Â Â AL's 6 point programme that Mujib had always championed. The
> Â Â secularism clause was added by leftist student leaders of DUCSU
> Â Â during the student/mass movement prior to March 25, 1971.
> Â Â Secularism was a selling point then as both the Hindu and Muslim
> Â Â Bengalis had a common enemy in Pakistan. So sure it made political
> Â Â sense to Mujib to adopt secularism, although he did not himself
> Â Â initiate it nor was it his idea, as I mentioned above. In fact he
> Â Â never championed socialism either. Secularism and socialism were
> Â Â both imposed on the AL manifesto by the hot blooded leftist
> Â Â students. Secularism for them and Mujib was an idea that came from
> Â Â political expediency, not from heart. To justify a mass movenemt
> Â Â against Pakistan they had to adopt an ideology that went aainst the
> Â Â ideology that Pakistan symbolized. Hence secularism and socialism.
> Â Â I can bet my last dollar that had Pakistan been a strictly secular
> Â Â and a Soviet leaning state and exploited East Pakistan and
> Â Â dominated it like it did, then AL's manifesto would have been to
> Â Â end the evils of secularism and socialism, restoring the rule of
> Â Â Islam and free market. After all Sheikh Mujib was a devout Muslim,
> Â Â he always bragged about him being a Muslim and not fearing anyone
> Â Â except Allah (He used to state that in rallys to indicate he wasn't
> Â Â afraid of Pakistani police crackdown on him/AL). He also used to
> Â Â end his affirmations with Insha Allah. AL/Mujib must have felt bad
> Â Â for not being able to use Pro islam and pro capitalism slogan as
> Â Â thet had already been hijacked by the Pakis!, so they could not use
> Â Â those slogand to sell their cause against the Pakis to the mass.
> Â Â When the expediency dictates otherwise they will morph and adopt a
> Â Â different ideology. No wonder AL's motto now is Allahu Akbar now,
> Â Â and not too long ago they had allied with Khilafat Majlish (A much
> Â Â more radiacal Islamic group than Jamat). Here are some more bitter
> Â Â pills. If you think that Islamization had happened due to Mujib's
> Â Â elimination consider the following :
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> Â 1. It was Mujib's gov. established Madrasha Board and Islamic
> Â Foundation, Bangladesh Seerat Mission, allocated land for Tablig
> Â Jamaat at Tongi, handed over Kakrail Mosque and its adjacent lands
> Â to Tablig Jamaat and registered three acres of land to Baitul
> Â Mukarram mosque. (never happened under Pakistan before Bangladesh's
> Â indpendence)
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> Â 2. It was Mujib's gov. who enacted laws banning gambling at racecourse
> Â Â Â Â and import and sale of liquor. (Prior Pakistan gov never did this)
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> Â 3. It was Mujib's gov that aggressively pursued membership in OIC
> Â Â Â Â to boost it's image as a Muslim nation. He even offered Bhutto(An
> Â Â Â Â atheist albeit) a red carpet reception in 1974(The then Idina HC in
> Â Â Â Â Dhaka Subimal Dutta resigned in protest), SO he could get Pakistan's
> Â Â Â Â recognition, SO he could join OIC, SO he could project BD as a
> Â Â Â Â Muslim state.
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> Â As J.N. Dixit mentions in his book "Liberation and Beyond" about
> Â Â Â Â Mujib:
> Â Â Â Â "He was also clear in his mind that the national identity
> Â Â Â Â of the newly created Bangladesh can be sustained only if the
> Â Â Â Â Muslim identity of Bangladesh forms a primary ingredient in
> Â Â Â Â Bangladeshi nationalism" (Quoted in the New Nation of 25 August
> Â Â Â Â 1999)
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> Now consider the following about Hasina's AL. (If Hasina could do
> these, imagine what Mujib would have done had he been alive today
> considering 1-3 above, if he faced the same challenge to stay/grab
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> Â 1. She bragged about all that mentioned in 1 above.
> Â 2. After return to power in 1996, Hasina government allocated Tk 33
> Â Â Â Â crore 9 lakh for religious affairs against Tk 31 crore 35 lakh of
> Â Â Â Â previous BNP government.
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> Â 3. The number of gov enlisted Madrashas increased to 7146 during
> Â Â Â Â Hasina's Awami League rule from 5977 of BNP times.
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> Â 4. It is during the Awami League government that a welfare trust was
> Â Â Â Â constituted for Imams and Muazzins. Besides, a Madrasha Teachers
> Â Â Â Â Training Institute was established at Gazipur at a cost of Tk 1.37
> Â Â Â Â crore.
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> Â 5. She allied with Jamat prior to 1996 election to topple Khaleda Zia.
> Â Â Â Â Even in 1994 Al had accepted Jamat as a legit political group and
> Â Â Â Â sent AL presidential Noninee Badrul Hasan Choudhury to sit with
> Â Â Â Â Golam Azam for possible alliance against BNP. Motiur Rahman Nezami
> Â Â Â Â even apologized to the people in a meeting in Chapai Nababganj for
> Â Â Â Â having acted in cohort with AL against BNP in the past.
> Â Â Â Â (Prothom Alo Dec 12 1998) in a mass meeting. All these paved the
> Â Â Â Â way for and made it legit for BNP to ally with Jamat later in 2000
> Â Â Â Â election.
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> Â 6. She did nothing in 1996-2001 (no sign of doing that now either) to
> Â Â Â Â reverse the Ershad amendment of constitution declaring Islam as the
> Â Â Â Â state religion nor the Ershad's introdcution of Friday as a holiday,
> Â Â Â Â causing huge loss to busineeses dealing with export/import
> Â Â Â Â (Mounong Shommoti Lokkhonong). Not only that AL now has
>    Allahu Akbar as their motif slogan.
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