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Sunday, July 4, 2010

[ALOCHONA] Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?



My comments are inserted below.


From: Syed Sadruddin Hussain <sydsadr@hotmail.com>

 
CREATION OF PAKISTAN AND QUAIDE AZAM;
 
Mr. Turkman: Let me remove some of your misunderstanding. Quaide Azam married the Parsi Lady, Ruti after converting her to Islam and she lies buried in a Muslim graveyard in Bombay.
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TURKMAN: Not really. He had either abducted her or she a, 16 years old girl had ran-away to him. Kidnapping Case was filed against about 20 years older Jinnah in a Bombay but it was thrown out because she had claimed she was not kidnapped. He had a Civil Marriage to avoid charges of having sex with a Minor. Years later, he had thrown a party to make Mollaas happy by announcing she had converted to Islam. SHRIYAH LAW does not permit a marriage first and conversion later, sorry.
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 His only daughter later became a Parsi and stayed back in Bombay in the ancestral house of grand parents besides Quaide Azam 's own house. Quade Azam and his sister were allotted the Flaq Staff House and Mohatta Palace in lieu of their left over big houses in Bombay and Delhi seized by the Indian government as evacuee property.
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TURKMAN: His wife had never converted in reality so after her death, her daughter had remained Parsi and she was raised by her mother's family. No Properties of Mr. Jinnah were ever seized by India. He had exchanged his Delhi Property with Mohatta Palace in Karachi but not his bigger Property, a huge Mansion in Bombay because he had wanted to live in it after he retired. That Mansion was given to Pakistan and Pak High Commission used to be in it. When, Pak India diplomatic relations had ended it was empty and when it was about to be nationalized, Mr. Jinnah's daughter had claimed it. I do not know, if she won that case or not.
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You are wrong to say that Quaide Azam ordered invasion of Kalat State. Actually this was done by Ayub Khan and Khan of Kalat was arrested due to his move for independence.
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TURKMAN:  ... Oh, I had no idea, Mr. Jinnah was already dead in 1948 and General Ayub was running Pakistan already. Please correct the history books, which say Ayub came in power on 27th October, 1958 ...! ... I think, you are confusing Qalat with Pakistan's invasion of Gwadur area, which used be a part of Oman and Ayub had ordered its take over. Was not Qalat independent even before Pakistan's formation? What authority Pakistan had to arrest owner of a neighboring Independent State that Pakistan had never gotten from British?
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The Quade Azam allowed the British set up of Baluchistan States Union to function consisting of princely states of Kalat, Lasbela, Kharan, Mekran and areas of Sirdars in Baluchistan till such time they are absorbed later. This system was abolished when one unit was formed in 1956.
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TURKMAN: How come India could not do the same with Pakistan and 'absorb' it? Were not similar 'British Arrangements' in Afghanistan, Eastern Iran, Oman and Yemen also? How come Pakistan did not 'absorb' them too?
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 FATA is actually a big tribal belt of Pushtoon people adjoining Afghanistan and formerly belonged to Afghanistan but later divided by the Durand Line and the Britishers had given them internal autonomy to manage their own affairs with a British Agent to overlook them.
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TURKMAN: But when had British given them to Pakistan? As British were leaving, all the Treaties they had made with their Puppet Afghan King had no legal status so actually not only FATA but also NWFP was a part of Afghanistan. Why had Pakistan usurped Afghanistan, where more than half of Afghans lived? Why Pakistan became an Occupier like the British were?
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 They are Good practicing Muslims and not Ismailis as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
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TURKMAN: I had not said, all of them were Ismailis and you can not change that by your false propaganda here.
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 Quaide Azam also allowed them to enjoy their internal autonmomy. Hence there is no question of any invasion orders by Quaide Azam as misunderstood by Mr. Turk.
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TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure arresting of all heads of States of FATA, their Army and making Pak Army to run those states was 'giving them autonomy'. Who the hell are you trying to fool here? If this is what you call autonomy can I tell USA to arrest whole Pak Army and the President and let US Army rule Pakistan like Pakistan has been ruling FATA since 1948?
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The only Ismaili state in Pakistan is HUNZA in the the north which continues to function under Mir Of Hunza and has not been invaded or merged.
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TURKMAN: Then, why the original Mir of Haunza died in custody of Pakistan? If you think, its all appropriate, can I tell USA to appoint some grandson of Mr. Jinnah after making US Army start ruling Pakistan?
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 Bhawalpur state merged into Pakistan of its free will. The Partition formula itself allowed the princely states in the respective countries to merge themselves taking into consideration the population beliefs.
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TURKMAN: There was not such clause in Partition Formula so, you are lying. India and Pakistan both usurped states right and left. Son of owner of Bahawalpur state Brigadier Abbasi was told it was better to join Pakistan before its invaded and a lot of his Subjects are slaughtered. This is how, the most well run, the richest state of Bahawalpur was looted. Bahawalpur was the only state of India that had Free Education and Social Welfare system like in U.K.
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 After partition of India and creation of two states, the post of Viceroy was abolished and two Governor General posts were created and hence the question of Quaide Azam working under the Viceroy does not arise as misunderstood by Turkman.
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TURKMAN: Not really. Otherwise, Viceroy would have no authority to order Mr. Jinnah to stop invasion of Kashmir. Pakistan and India were declared a Protectorate of Great Britain, not Independent Republics. Great Britain gave permission to India to become a Republic in 1951 and Pakistan on 23rd, March, 1953 and this is why you are still celebrating Republic Day on every 23rd of March. On that date, for the first time Pak Governor General could call himself, President. Stop spreading your dis-information of Pak History, now ...! You wrote there were 2 Governor Generals created and this is a lie. Could you tell us name of India's Governor General if that was the case? How come no Governor General ever existed in India?
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 Quade Azam wanted to promote Urdu language with sincerety as it is a highly developed language and was an official language in Hyderabad Deccan.
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TURKMAN: English and Persian are also 'highly developed languages'. How come he did not want to 'promote' those? Oh, they were Foreign Languages but then was not Urdu a Foreign Language to 95% of Population of Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had gotten from the British because it was not their Mother Tongue? Was not language of 70% of Pakistani of 14th August, 1947 Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had legally gotten from the British was Bengali?
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 The Bengali did not like Urdu as they had their own language.
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TURKMAN: So, you mean Sindhis and Punjabis did not have 'their own language' or their language was Urdu. Who are you fooling here?
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So the protest was justified. It is correct to say that with the creation of Pakistan the left over Muslims of India who had participated in the freedom struggle for Pakistan, were left at the mercy of the Hindus. The doors of Pakistan are closed for them. Muslim visitors from India are always under police surveilance and harrasment to get bribes. The Muslim League had no concrete plan for the future of the left over large Indian Muslim population and their discrimination in India. That is why a large number of Muslim leaders and Ulemas also opposed the division of India. As for the domination of Punjab this is a fact. The Bengalis were not allowed big posts in the army, Navy and Airforce and as such there was never any C.in C. of Army, Air Marshal or Admiral what to speak of even the GOC of then East Pakistan was never a Bengali. The Baluchis are also indulging in secessionist tendencies because they think they are being colonised in the name of Islam. Moreover there can not be any ethnic Baluchi Admiral, Air Marshal or CinC of Army. The bureucracy, police, political set up etc. are also dominated by Punjab. Hence the anti Pakistani feelings continue among the ethnic Baluchis and also to a great extent among ethnic Sindhis. The solution lies in creation of more provinces on linguistic and cultural lines with full internal autonomy and fixation of quota in all federal services including armed forces to promote unity and brotherhood and end discrimination of all sort which is anti Islamic.       
 
Syed Sadruddin Hussain,
sydsadr@hotmail.com
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TURKMAN: I agree but why should crazy my Punjabi brother Wolves listen to you, when they have already developed Atomic Bomb to deter India from freeing 56% of Non Punjabi Pakistanis even if they revolt like East Pakistanis? Why should not they be slaughtered every time any of them rises against mighty Punjab? The Only Purpose of building the Bomb was just that otherwise, if India had wanted to usurp Pakistan, she would have made East Pakistan a part of India after 1971 surrender of Pak Army there and or would have ended the Rogue State of Pakistan right after she had built its Atom Bomb in 1974. Pakistanis have been kept united under threat of becoming 'Slaves of India' but Non Punjabi Pakistanis can clearly see, former East Pakistan is not a Slave of India. She is an independent country and has a lot less Law and Order problems than Pakistan. Tens of thousands of them are not being killed in bombings like they are being killed in Pakistan.


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Subject: RE: Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:07:34 -0400

 
   Asif  Ali Zardari  the  President  of  the  Islamic  Republic  Of  Pakistan  founded  by  Qaid e Azam  Muhammad  Ali  Jinnah  has   said  that  Jinnah  was  also  not  a   Graduate,  so  why  Jamshed  Dasti  cannot  be  elected?  Dasti  will  be  elected  by  the  people  of  his  costituency.
 
   If  known  to  any  one,  what  were  the  educational  qualifications  of  Mr. M.A.Jinnah?  Those  days  Birtishers  has  allowed  to  indians  that  after  Matric  they  may  go  to  UK  and obtain  a smaller  status  Law  Certificate   and  will  be  called  as  Barrister.
 
    Also  we  should  dig  out  personal  charectors   and  educational   back ground   of  Liaqat  Ali  Khan,  Abdul  Rab  Nishter, Ghaffar  Khan,  Khaja  Nazim  Uddin  etc   from  independent  sources   to  understand  their  respective  merit....Tariq Khan.



Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:38:52 -0700
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Mr. Jinnah was not a Philanthropist or smart?
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To the best of my knowledge the Bungalow at Clifton, Karachi, Mohatta Palace was not allotted to Mr. Jinnah. He had exchanged his property in Delhi for that. Flag Staff House was allotted to either him or Ms. Fatimah Jinnah.
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I think, Mr. Jinnah betrayed half of his followers, his own Ethnic People and an old Client besides other wrongs. Learn by reading the following:
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1. Married a Non Moslim in violation of Islamic Shriya Law.
2. Back-stabbed his former client Khan of Qalat (the ruler of Baluchistan) by ordering invasion of his independent state.
3. He betrayed his own Ethnic Ismaili Moslims by ending freedom of Ismaili independent states of what is now called (occupied) territory of FATA and those of his own people are still virtual Slaves of almost all Punjabi Pakistan Army there.
4. He ordered invasion of what is now called FATA.
5. He had ordered usurpation of tiny little independent states in Punjab.
6. He had abandoned more than half of his Urdu Speaking followers in what is now India (by letting their majority areas become a part of India), who had made Moslim League win Elections in a 100 to 300 mile belt spreading from East Punjab to Bengal.
7. As a Governor General under Viceroy of India, he had refused to give any friendly gestures to USSR, who's Charity of Aid was the 1st to arrive in Pakistan, though his was a Socialist, who had implemented certain reform that was prevalent only in Communist Countries.
8. He had foolishly declared Urdu as national language of Pakistan, when 70% of 'August 14, 1947 population of Pakistan' spoke Bengali. ... The Pakistan he had agreed to get from the Viceroy consisted of only Sindh, Moslim majority West Punjab (minus state of Bahawalpur, the region southeast of Multan, bordering India, now called 'Saraikistan' by the locals) and what is now Bangladesh, where 97% of people spoke Bengali.
9. By dividing Moslims of the Sub Continent in to Pakistanis and Indians, he had ended 900 year old Moslim Rule of the Sub Continent by dividing Moslims, when they were already accepted as Coalition Partners of Congress Government of India in 1945 because they were 1/3rd of the population of undivided India. ... May be God had wanted to free Hindus completely from 900 year long Moslim Rule of India.
10. Moslim League would have been part of every Coalition 'Government of India' even if her legal status of 'Coalition Partner' was later revoked because none of Hindu-dominated Political Parties were going to have a majority later because of Moslim League's strong presence in un-divided India but Mr. Jinnah was not far-sighted enough to think that far ahead. 
11. He had refused to listen to Moslim Thinkers, who had told him that having a Pakistan with most of her land (Punjab) located in a lot less educated part of 'Cantonment India' of British Indian Empire would not be a good idea.
 
Apart from # 9 above, Mr. Jinnah was told that there are 2 parts of British Indian Empire. Below 30 degrees parallel was 'Civilized India' that was a lot more educated and easy to rule. North of that was 'Cantonment India', where people were not that educated and civilized. Those people were always ruled by British 'dunDaa' or heavy-handed rule because nothing else worked there. He was told, that area was used by the British to recruit almost whole Indian British Army that had loyally fought war against our revolt in 1857 and then later WW I and WW II for the British. He was informed that Military could take over that kind of Pakistan and Pakistan would not remain, what he wishes but he had refused to listen to those Moslim Theoreticians. Look at Pakistan of today ...!
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Those Theoreticians have proven right and he has been proven wrong because Pakistan is a failed state now. 70% of her Birth Population had revolted against Pakistan 24 years later and calls itself Bangaladeshis now. 56% of present Pakistan's Non Punjabi population of Pakistan is tired of being run by Punjabis (44% population of present Pakistan according to Pak Census Bureau), who were never in favor of formation of Pakistan to start with. (In 1944, Punjab Assembly had passed Resolution against Pakistan Movement and had told the Viceroy Mr. Jinnah is not their Representative).
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Mr. Jinnah's 2nd wife was a Parsi (Zoroastrian), Khan of Qalat that he betrayed was his old client from the days, when was a Lawyer in Bombay and rulers of independent states in what is FATA now, used to be his Fans but all of them had to die in jails or House Arrest in Pakistan later. Descendants of his best Followers or his Pakistan Movement Soldiers ended up getting slaughtered by Mr. Jinnah's Pakistan in huge numbers. Present Pakistan is an upside-down country or shall we call her a "Comedy or Errors"? 
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S U Turkman


From: Ashfaq ahmed <ashfaq_37@hotmail.com>

Quaid-e-Azam was a great leader of this Sub- Continent.you should be careful while passing such negative remarks.One should not be miser in acknowledging his great services for the Muslims.He was honest to such extent that he used to exercise utmost care for expenditure on his personal life.Was this act of transfer of property to Aligarh University not sufficient to negate your remarks about his greatness? Please have a heart to acknowledge his love for Muslims that too for Indian muslims.
Regards
ASHFAQ AHMED   

From: tariqkhanteekay@hotmail.com

 
  Barrister  M.A.Jinnah  was  not  a  Philanthropist.    Immediately    after  assuming  power in  Pakistan  he  got  allotted  the  prime  properties  of  Karachi  known  as  Mohatta  Palace [Clifton]  and  Flag  Staff  House  [opposite  Hotel  Metropole]  plus  hundreds  of  acres  of  land  in  Mali.
 
  Details  are  required  of  the  Will,  you  have  mentioned.  He was  a  miser  man   and  use  to  check  the  grocery  prices  every day   himself.  There  are  many   printed   stories  of  his  miser   nature.  One  story   says  while  he  was  in  the sick  bed  in  Ziarat  his  Doctor  purchased  a  pair of  woollen   socks.  He  asked  the  price.  Answer  was  Rs. Two.  He  got  angry  and  said it  is  too  expensive  and  ordered   that  the  socks  be  returned.    More  money  was  spent  to  return  the  socks  purchased  in  Quetta....tariq khan.
 

From: sydsadr@hotmail.com

 
The aims and objects of Aghaz Foundation deserve consideration by our philonthrophists. The Quaide Azam left a will for transfer of crores of rupees to Aligarh University out of his estate. But some vested interest prevented it from going to Aligarh University and they illegally obtained some court confirmation to start a Quaide Azam Scholarship Fund for Pakistani students. This fund continues to be misused and the Aligarh university should consider to file a case in an international court or make a representation to our government to honour the Quaide's will. This huge funds can also be utilised for Aghaz Foundatiobns and other deserving organisation for the benefit and uplift of Indian Muslims.
 Syed Sadruddin Hussain

From: tariqkhanteekay@hotmail.com

   Glad  to  learn  about  Aaghaz  Foundation.  Request   please  contact  Ahamed  Saeed  Malihabadi,  Member  Lok Sabha, Dhali,  Tel. 98 681 816 89  and  Professor   Dr. Khan  Atif  of  Lucknow  University, Cell 933 595 3133.  You  may  give  my  reference.  I  would  appreciate   a  kind  of  feed  back.
 
    I  would  like  to  have  further  details  and  references  about  the  Foundation.  Awaiting  the  details. Regards....Tariq  Kha/ Toronto.
 

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:42:51 +0400
Subject: Invite for June 27 meeting
From: aaghaz.foundation@gmail.com


We take this opportunity to invite you to an important meeting in Lucknow on Sunday, June 27, to discuss a very important educational project. If you happen to be in Lucknow, please do come over. Your participation is of critical importance to us.
 
WHERE: Hotel Ellora, Opposite Bhopal House, Hazratganj Lucknow
WHEN:   Sunday, June 27, 4pm onwards
If you have any queries, don't hesitate to mail back or call us at any of the following numbers
Tel: 98391 91045, 94150 16831, 9415016152, 94157 87009, 93359 84936 and 97150 2428107 in the UAE
 
AGENDA: In association with the Aligarh Forum, Aaghaz is all set to launch a state-of-the-art Guidance-Counselling Coaching Centre in Lucknow for minority students who want to compete in professional exams.
Our partner in this endeavor is IMEFNA* (Indian Muslim Education Foundation of North America), which has financed 50 per cent of the cost of the project. The other half has been raised through contributions made by individuals.
 
We are shortlisting people who could be part of this huge initiative in various capacities. If you want to be a part of it, please join us. Your involvement/ feedback/suggestion is critical for the success of this programme
 
 
ROUGH SKETCH OF THE CENTRE:
1.LOCATION: Centrally-located place in Lucknow on rent, not exceeding Rs 10,000 per month:
2. EQUIPMENT: The centre will have 10 computers, photo-copier, fax machine and an air conditioner
3. BOOKS: It will stack 1,000 text books/ competitions/ guides/manuals/news/magazines/journals/current issues etc.
4. STAFF: We need at least 5 experienced teachers (Salary Rs 15,000-Rs 20,000 pm) to coach at least 50-60 highly-competent students, who will be selected through a test. A Governing/Supervisory Body comprising of educators/ administrators, civil servants, doctors, engineers etc will supervise the functioning of the Centre along with Aaghaz.
If you want to be part of this Governing Body (unpaid) please let us know. Suggestions are also invited for qualified, sincere and experienced teachers. They may not necessarily be Muslims.
 
5. DIRECTOR/ADMINISTRATOR
We are also looking for a salaried administrator/director, to run the Centre. It goes without saying that the person has to have a managerial/academic background. He may not necessarily be a Muslim. Those interested could mail their resume to aaghaz.foundation@gmail.com
 
 
A WORD ABOUT AAGHAZ: A registered non-profit organisation, Aaghaz Foundation uses education as a tool to bring about socio-economic reforms among underprivileged Muslims. Over the past six years,  Aaghaz has  helped thousands of poor, but  academically-talented students. Unable to afford their school  fees, many of these students would have otherwise been forced to drop out. Alongside its immensely succesful scholarship programme, Aaghaz, in association with the Aligarh Forum, also runs two other successful projects in Lucknow -- Feeder Programme at the Grassroots and a Free Coaching Centre for poor Muslim students in grades IX-XII.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to mail as at aaghaz.foundation@gmail.com or get in touch with our members at the numbers given below
 
for aaghaz foundation: Established 2004
Literacy initiative for Indian Muslims
Visit www.aaghazfoundation.org to learn more about us and forward this mail to all like-minded people.
Email: aaghaz.foundation@gmail.com
If you have any queries, don't hesitate to mail back or call us at any of the following numbers
Tel: 98391 91045, 94150 16831, 9415016152, 94157 87009, 93359 84936 and 97150 2428107 in the UAE



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