Many hindus as wel as some muslims got title from the muslim rulers as 'Talukder, Majumder, Tarafder, Jamadar etc other than original muslims of turkish origin. Charu majumder and Fani Majumder have different ancesteral surnames. If you look and research you will find them, Even thakur is a title. Tagores had different surnames originally. Khundker is a title given by people for the pious people by the villagers who could prescribe tabiz type of medicines to the villagers.
Please, no argument on this.
Shahadat Suhrawardy
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:04:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
Suhrawardy & Ramjan Sahibs
very interesting discussion on the ethnography of Bengali muslims and so nice to know that you are of persian origin. Blue blood I am impressed at your high born lineage. Any relation to Hussain Shaheed. Unfortunately for most of we have to settle for a mongrel (mixed beyond recognition from chamar to high born) heritage.
But I did have a question and a comment. How do you explain the turkish origins of Majumdar, when many prominent Bengalis like Phani Bhushan Majumdar or Charu Majumdar were clearly of hindu origin. Do you think their turkish ancestors converted to hinduism after coming to East Bengal between the 10th to 15th Century. How could that be!
The comment is East bengal - were the borders from time immemorially roughly the same as today's borders of bangladesh. as far as I know from historical sources until 1905 there was no such thing as East Bengal, could you clarify!
Robin
PS what has this got to do with Mahmudur Rahman!
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Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
More than half of the Bangladeshis (m,uslims) are children of foreign descendents (Arabs, Turk, Persians, Abysinians, Monguls , Pathans, Afghans) who took refuge in East Bengal (Bangala) beccause there was always peace there. As a matter of fact, Khaleda is a Turk descendent (last name Majumder). Similarly, Hasina is also descendent of fore4ign settlers (sheikh). Khaleda's family hails from Noakhali. Those who were born before 1947, they were all born in Indian soil. Khaleda could have been born in present day India if her family were earning their living there then. Zia though officially born in Bogra, actually was born in Delhi, because his family was living in New Delhi (Federal job). Many of my siblings were born in Karachi, but in paper now, they write Bangladesh as their birth place.
Each and everybody living in Bangladesh, who speaks bengali as their mother tounge, are all totally Bangladeshis no matter what. Those who speaks other languages (Urdu, Chakma, Garo, Khasia etc) they are also Bangladeshis. Let us not bring this unnecessay topic anymore for divisions.
Shahadat H. Suhrawardy
(parsian descendent per discussion but pure Bangladeshi by heart and mind)
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From: mramjan@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:05:16 -0400
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
Sorry, your presented CV is not correct, kindly find the following correct CV
Sheikh Hasina Khaleda
Non Bangladeshi Original Bangladeshi
because; Sheikh, Sayed, Moghal &
patan can not be real Begali but migrated
Education : BA with no division SSC
Mentality : Latial Mentality: Very Gentle women
Talks: Always lies Talks: Never lies
Leader for BAL only Leadr for the whole nation
Always thinks for party members Think for whole nation
Non toleance of opposition Highly tolerance
Thanks
Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
a front line freedom fighter in 1971
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From: manik195709@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:36:59 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
Hon. Sk. Hasina Khaleda Zia
1. Bangladeshi by born. 1. Indian by born.
2. Educated ( Master degree) 2. Uneducated ( Non Metric )
3. Write her own speech 3. Depends on others( Tota Pakhi)
4. Wear traditional outfit 4. Wear un-Islamic transparent outfit
5. Very religious 5. Dubiously religious
Regards,
M. Ali
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Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 7:25:10 PM
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
Dear Friends:
I strongly condemn the heinous and vindictive activities of the current Bangladesh government for torturing editor of a national daily newspaper "Amardesh" in inhuman way. Rulers of the current Bangladesh government should be held responsible for their criminal acts.
At the same time I request all of you to contact your area congressmen, congresswomen, senator, MP or elected public officials of the country you live and bring their attention to this fact with other inhuman activities of the current Bangladesh government. Also, raise your voices against the current Bangladesh rullers for their barbaric and inhuman activities.
As a citizen of this civilized world we can not turn our eyes to ignore the uncivilized attrocities of the current cruel Bangladesh government. Current rulers came into the power with bloods in their hands (please see below the web-linkages) and keeping those hands with more fresh bloods. We can not remain silence anymore.
Bangladesh government must stop inhuman tortures to Mahmudur Rahman and release him with dignity immediately and must give him the rights of due process of law.
At the same time I urge all Bangladeshi people around the world to raise thier voices to Prosecute Sheik Hasina for ordering to kill innocent people with logi boitha. http://bangladesh- web.com/view. php?hidRecord= 319801
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=W9pfPeKONYY&feature=related
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ykzsmHD3VgM&feature=related
Anis Ahmed
Maryland, USA
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>From: Abdul Mannan Azad
>To: Reporter sans frontier RSF ; RSF Asia bureau
>Cc: History Islam ; Notun-Bangladesh YahooGroups
>Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:51 PM
>Subject: [notun_bangladesh] save Mahmudur Rahman from 'inhuman torture'
>
>
>Mahmudur alleges'inhuman torture' in custody
>Staff Correspondent
>The detained Amar Desh acting editor, Mahmudur Rahman, on Saturday urged the court to save his life from the 'inhuman torture' he was allegedly undergoing in police custody.
> 'Your honour, please save my life,' he told the court. 'I am not supposed to be alive after the level of torture I have experienced at the cantonment police station. I was blindfolded and stripped by five men in the lock-up. I fainted after they pressed me on the chest and back.'
> Mahmudur was brought to the court at around 3:00pm after a three-day remand in the case of obstructing the police. He said he could not stand on the dock and the court allowed him to sit.
> He told the court he had undergone 'inhumane torture in police custody. He asked the court whether an individual could be tortured if the constitution, democracy and human rights were upheld in the country.
> After his remarks, his attorneys told the court he should be granted bail in the case as he was a former adviser with the status of a state minister and editor of a national daily. 'The case in which the police arrested him was a false case. Police said they had been assaulted but the persons beaten up had not been named. So we hope the court would grant him bail for the sake of justice,' said Sanaullah Mia.
> Another attorney Taimur Alam Khandakar said the sections but one of the code of criminal procedure under which the case was filed were bailable.
> The court, however, remanded Mahmudur in custody for four days in an anti-terrorism case filed by the Uttara police.
> At one stage of the hearing, Mahmudur's attorney Nasiruddin Ahmed Asim submitted a directive of the High Court on remand and said the directives were ignored during interrogation. He said as per the order, only the investigation officer would interrogate the person remanded in custody.
> 'The directive also makes it mandatory to conduct health examination before a person is remanded in custody but this directive was also ignored,' he added.
> More than 100 lawyers, including Salahuddin Ahmed, Ahsan Kabir, Zakir Hossain, Zainal Abedin Mesbah, Monir Hossain and Belal Hossain Jasim, were present in the courtroom.
> The BNP secretary general, Khandaker Delwar Hossain, meanwhile, on Saturday demanded immediate release of Amar Desh acting editor Mahmudur Rahman and condemned the inhumane torture on him in custody.
> Delwar said in a statement the torture of Mahmudur Rahman in custody exposed the fascist character of the power hungry Awami League government. He demanded proper medical treatment of the editor.
> 'They trample the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary to deny freedom of the press only to ensure that no one would dare to criticise them,' he said.
> 'That is why the Awami League government was torturing Mahmudur Rahman physically and mentally,' he said.
>
>M.A.Mannan AZAD
>Editor:Light House Media
>web:http://azad- media.webs. com
>President:Banglades h Journalist union
> in France
>
>
>
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