Mr. Anwar, I do not like personal attacks on anyone. So, I did not like those statements of Mr. Islam. Personal attack only begets personal attack; it does not help pursuing healthy debate. I am happy that you reciprocated with your very calm and civil demeanor. You have a unique ability to remain composed even in an emotional situation, such as life and death. Mr. Islam, on the other hand, appears to be a very emotional and passionate person. Mr. Anwar, please do not bring party-political matters for discussion here, which often brings personal affairs in the discussion. I noticed - your topics are mostly party-political matters, which is difficult to deliberate with open-mind. Mr. Anwar, may I ask you a question, out of my curiosity: if you set aside your religious sanction and faith for the sake of argument, would you still support the mode of capital punishment used in Saudi Arabia? Thank you. Jiten Roy
--- On Wed, 10/19/11, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, captchowdhury@yahoo.ca, dug_alumni@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, manik061624@yahoo.com, guhasb@gmail.com, srbanunz@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 6:30 AM
Mr. Jiten Roy,
What's your comment regarding the opinion of Mr. Russel.Do you support what Mr. Russel coimmented ?
Thanks.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com> To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>, <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>, <dug_alumni@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, <manik061624@yahoo.com>, <guhasb@gmail.com>, <srbanunz@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:27:06 +0000 Mr. Jiten Roy, It is useless to have a civilized dialouge/discussion with a man like Mohiuddin Anwar (whoe family nick name Dhamad Mia); he is supposedly son-in-law of RAZAKAR MANNAN of Chandpur. Just look back and see his points and arguments; you will see what he stands for very easily. He has been defending RAZAKARS (killers of 1971) shamelessly; he was in hiding during 2001-2006 while BNP-JAMAT was in power and looting the country; killing political opponents and systematically oppressing minority Hindus in BD. He has no shame posting graphic video of Saudi beheading of 8 human being (accused of murdering an Egyptian) and he proudly says he witnessed many of the beheading himself in 80s!!!! Now please tell me, what kind of a psychology is that? I said it before, it is simply SICK mind to even think of the thought of watching beheading live; yet this man is so proud of watching these regularly. So I would say it again, Mohiuddin Anwar is a SICK person; we should ignore him regardless of our political stance. We should not let this kind of sick people waste our time or promote violence using this forum or any forum. Either ignore this psycho or do not allow him to post these poison here. This DHAMAND MIA IS SICK BEYOND REPAIR. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THINKS THEY ARE THE CUSDIAN OF ISLAM WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HIDE BEHIND RELIGION AND DOES ALL THEIR SICK CRIME AS THEY PREY ON PEOPLE. I WATCHED HIM FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND I CONCLUDED MOHIUDDIN ANWAR IS MENTALLY SICK WITH DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGY. HE IS ONE OF THOSE WHO ALSO BELIEVES DURING THE WAR, IT IS PERFECTLY OK FOR PAK ARMY TO RAPE BENGALI GIRLS SINCE PAK ARMY FIGHTING TO KEEP PAKISTAN TOGETHER WHILE AWAY FROM THEIR WIFE!!!! I FORGOT THE TERM THEY USED TO DESCRIBE HINDU GIRLS/WOMEN during the war where JAMAT said, all those girls were something like MAAL of something; so PAK army had the rights on them; so rape was leagal. CAN YOU BELIEVE that? That is why I say, regardless of our political stance, we must go against these PHYSCHOs and puth them under trail against humanity. -M.Islam(Russel)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; farida_majid@hotmail.com; captchowdhury@yahoo.ca; dug_alumni@yahoogroups.com CC: sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com; dahuk@yahoogroups.com; manik061624@yahoo.com; guhasb@gmail.com; srbanunz@gmail.com From: mohiuddin@netzero.net Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:27:16 +0000 Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Mr. Jiten Roy, Most people beheaded in Saudi Arabia are Saudis. Less than one third beheaded are non-Saudi. Personally I saw an execution by beheading during 80's. The culprit was a Saudi Police. Who's guilt was he arrersted a foreigner and raped him forcefully and caught red handed. Saudi Shariah court punished and beheaded the Police. There was no speccial provision for Saudi Police. The KIng did not pardon him like our President Zillur Rahman did. nor blood money satisfied the victims family. As a result the Saudi Police had to die. According to the MInistry of Interior Saudi government provides translator and attorney/Lawyer for the accused. Justice is done with evidence. The most important thing is the entire procedure of the case is done according to the law of the land. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
| What if somebody kills a predator in course of self-defense, and no one is there to witness the occurrence. Is that person going to face the sword for his self-defense? Also, the question is how fair and transparent is the judicial system. As I learned – Saudi Judicial system keeps the accused in the total dark until his/her the last moment. He does not know the progress of his trial or its outcome. His role is pretty limited. What if the lawyer is biased towards foreigners, especially towards miskins? Jiten Roy
--- On Sun, 10/16/11, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, mukto_mona@yahoo.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, manik195709@yahoo.com
Cc: manik195709@yahoo.com, srbanunz@gmail.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 12:20 PM
Awami Zaheliot supporters always blindy support their Netri Bharotbondhu Hasina, I don't mind. That's their choice. Ms. Farida Mazid may be one of them. While Bharobondhu administration failed to stop the beheading opf 8 poor Bangladeshis, they overlooked this failure rather attacking the Saudi system of execution.. If RAB kill any Bangladeshi without any trial, it's ok for them, even when RAB is controlled by 'Bharotbondhu' Hasina administration, but when it was controllede by Babor that was the real concern for them. I still believe that, the lives of those 8 poor Bangladeshis could have been saved if Hasina administratioin acted properly to send a delegation of Ulema's and high government officials to the victims family in Egypt to convince them to accept the blood money and pardon the accused killers to receive benifit from Allah Rabbul Alamin in the hereafter.. Other government succeeded, why not Bangladesh government could not have succeeded to pursue them ? There are still 3 more Bangladeshi's waiting to be beheaded by the Saudi executioneer. Negotiatuion continuing to offer the victims family to accept the blood money. In another recent case 2 Bangladeshi migrant workers killed a fellow Bangladeshi worker and arrested for prosecution. I hope the Bangladeshi victims family will accept blood money to pardon this 2 Bangladeshi killers. Saudi King has no authority or power like our kind hearted President Zillur Rahman to pardon the killers(President Zillur recetly pardoned 19 Awami killers). ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> To: mukto-mona Yahoogroups <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:18:09 -0400 We knew jamai-ador had gotten to his head when he enthusiastically supported cold-blooded extra-judicial murders by BNP/Jamaat govt. sponsored RAB. Now the rottong brain has maggots crawling all over it. The murderous RAB has gone on its extra-judicial killing spree even during the AL-mohajote regime. But our damad-mia's thirst for more blood is not quenched by mere RAB killings in Bangladesh. He has found the Kingdom of Jahiliya otherwise known as KSA. Read his description of the public beheading of the eight Bangladeshi workers. It is sickening to say the least! May be Damad mia is planning to take his young children to KSA to watch the next public beheading of poor migrant workers there. Grandchildren of monsters should not be given a chance to turn human.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; guhasb@gmail.com; manik061624@yahoo.com; manik195709@yahoo.com; ovimot-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: gti82@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:04:06 +0000 Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Hello Mohiuddin Anwar, I t seems you finally got something to make a "BREAKING NEWS..." as you call it.... very cunningly/or foolishly took a comment made by PM out of context and start speading nasty rumor that Sheikh Hasina is not a muslim or started doubting her faith. Is this right or ISLAMIC? Well... Hope Allah gives you and your likeminded ones some senses so you stop this nonsense trash talk. Trust me, this tectic will only backfire on Khaleda even more; people in general are much more progressive than you think they are; problem is voices of the ugly ones gets heard or grabs attention generally. You people (MOUDUDI/JAMAT FUndamentalists) will never learn just like your shoshur abba huzur/shahur Moulana Mannan never learned right Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar orphe Dhamand Mia! So, lets not celebrate too much so early; wait till next election. You people have a INDIA PHOBIA or HINDU PHOBIA and always play the same record over and over. But look at your accomplishment; dissmal FAILURE. In 1971, these RAZAKARs killed so many innocents and you know it; yet you never repent or apologize. Then you act like ISLAM is yours only and you have the exclusive license to use ISLAM for your political cause. Your people are the real enemy of ISLAM. -Russel Islam
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; guhasb@gmail.com; manik061624@yahoo.com; manik195709@yahoo.com; Ovimot-subscribe@yahoogroups.com CC: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: mohiuddin@netzero.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 03:11:13 +0000 Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Mr. Jiten Roy,
Damage has already done by 'Bharotbondhu' Sheikh Hasina by her recent comment about the power of Ma Durga. Hasina still stands on her comment and did not withdraw that comment. She might still believs in the power of Ma Durga(/) .Let the people of Bangladesh decide her faith in coming election. Surely she will be out of power no power like Ma Durga nor supporter like Jiten's, Guho's can save her from imminant defeat. Power is in the hands of Allah Rabbul Alamin not in the hands of Hasina's Ma Durga definitely.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:04:03 -0700 (PDT) | It is unfortunate that the people of Bangladesh got such a vacuous leader, like Khaleda Zia, in the opposition party. She is not only illiterate, she is also immature. How can a leader use such a cheap political shot? It is really unthinkable to imagine that such a person could be the Prime Minister of a country. People around her, such as, Mohiuddin and others, who are trying to promote this garbage through this forum, will be Ministers, if Khaleda becomes Prime Minister someday. Can you think about the plights of religious minorities at that time? After 2001 election, when Khaleda was prime minister and thousands of religious minorities were being brutalized, she was telling the world that perfect religious harmony existed in Bangladesh. She could not even understand that, by doing so, she was giving open license to the perpetrators to continue brutalization of religious minorities. Religious persecution and mayhem continued unabated throughout her tenure. She must be proud of her previous record; otherwise she would not play the same card again. Jiten Roy
--- On Wed, 10/12/11, GT International <gti82@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, ovimot@yahoogroups.com, guhasb@gmail.com, unitycouncilusa@gmail.com, captchowdhury@yahoo.ca, srbanunz@gmail.com, manik061624@yahoo.com
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Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 10:17 AM
Mohiuddin Anwar, Breaking News!!!!!! Whao.......Since you are so obsessed with this outragious irresponsible cheap shot from Khaleda to Hasina regarding Hasina's religion, do you honestly believe Hasina is not Muslim? JAMATI gang tried these tectics of making their opponenet as Hindu or non-muslim since early 50s and never succeded and never will as people in general reject this notion anyway. You guys can stoop to REAL LOW and use ISLAM for your petty political gain anytime. Do you think questioning ones faith in such a sarcastic way is fine in ISLAM? What a shame when a former PM stoops to this low? for GOD sake, keep politics within politics; do not mix it with religion. Besides, we all know Khaleda's practicing of religion anyway; she is a habitual drunkard. The women can not wake up before 10:00 am; how does she pray for Fazar? Anyway, sorry I should not bring those into this discussion anyway as we all are responsible for our own action to Allah. So there you have my comments.... BTW, who is Dhamand Mia and what is your relationship to Mulana Mannan? You never answered these questions? -M.Islam > To: khabor@yahoogroups.com; ovimot@yahoogroups.com; guhasb@gmail.com; unitycouncilusa@gmail.com; captchowdhury@yahoo.ca; srbanunz@gmail.com; manik061624@yahoo.com; manik061624@yahoo.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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> From: mohiuddin@netzero.com
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:47:54 +0000
> Subject: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
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> What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
> Tue, Oct 11th, 2011 10:28 pm BdST Dial 2000 from your GP mobile for latest news
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> Sylhet, Oct 11 (bdnews24.com)�BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia has questioned about the religion of prime minister Sheikh Hasina.
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> "Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has arrived by elephant�we want to know which religion she actually believes in," the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on Tuesday.
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> She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in Allah' from the constitution.
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> "Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the constitution," the opposition leader said.
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> Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of other religions.
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> My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment about Ma Durga yet , nor declared Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah Rabbul Alamin).
> If her comment is true, she should explain her position to the nation. If she is secular or anything else t she must declare that for the greater interest of the republic and its people.
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