Kindly refer to following sources to learn more about Bilal (RA).
Bilal ibn Rabah al-Habashi
http://www.bilalcommunity.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4045:the-short-story-of-bilal&catid=21:store&Itemid=45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_ibn_Rabah_al-Habashi
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/198304/the.first.muezzin.htm
Shalom!!
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The most prominent of them was Bilal who became the first muezzin in Islam
>>>>>>>>> It would be hard to have any meaningful discussions/learning sessions if we don't bother to check FACTS. It was prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who took initiative to FREE Bilal from slavery through Abu Bakr (RA). Tradition says it was Umayya ibn Khalaf who was the master of Bilal(RA) when he was a slave. Muslims freed him from the state of slavery and freed him.
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Presentation of a relevant fact does not have to be professional or scholarly.
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Muhammad himself was not rich enough to possess any slave. However, after marriage, he owned a few. The most prominent of them was Bilal who became the first muezzin in Islam. History also records him punishing another bunch of slaves who escaped with death. I wonder if Subimal Chakravarty found this article 'scholarly'.
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
To me, following any religion "correctly" would be to follow the essence of what is good in it, dump what is bad in it, and not waste too much time trying to prove something in it to be good when it actually looks pretty bad. I do not have the patience to hear the context in which something hateful was uttered in a religious book. Hateful words in a religious book do necessarily make that religion bad. To me, the context does not matter, because a hateful utterance is very likely to make the average follower hateful; the average follower is likely to have no time or wisdom to see the context. Also because most human beings should not have too much time to spend on religions; they need to keep using, developing and improving science and technology, without which even the religious fanatics would not have the quality of life that they are enjoying.
Here is an example of what I call "following the essence of what is good in religions." Mohammad's preaching of Islam had praise and rewards for people who freed slaves; he did not abolish slavery through his religion. To me, that was great in the 6th century; and I can respect him for that. But now, we are not as primitive as the 6th century people, we can do better than that. We not only abolish slavery, we treat all innocent humans with respect and dignity; we even afford a good deal of dignified treatment to criminals.
Sukhamaya Bain
(PS: I have changed the heading of the thread to fit the flow of the contents of the recent postings.)
My view towards Mr. Q. Rahman, before reading the post below, was that - he is a fine moderate Muslim, and a religious ideologue. That view did not change after reading the post below.
Apparently, you did not understand my point. All his discussions revolve around Islam. That's why – he is a religious ideologue. I understand he wants to promote the goodness of Islam. He thinks, there is nothing wrong in Islam, only people are not understanding or following it correctly. He may be right. But, we have to judge a tree by its fruit. The reality is totally different. The truth is - no one can practice any other religion on Saudi-soil, the birth place of Islam; that's the reality. Wahabism was born in Saudi Arabia; that's the reality. Madrassa education is the life-blood of Wahabism; that's the reality. Who can change Madrassa curriculum? Only those who fund them can do so; that's the reality. The bottom line is - every religion has something good in it, but the overall impact of a religion on the society is mostly detrimental.
I understand Mr. Rahman's views very well but - I have trouble understanding your views. I know you try to present both sides, and try to remain neutral. Neutrality is not a goog virtue in a debate. In my judgment, you are either a naive or a timid person, meaning you are afraid of taking a stand.
I am sorry to be so blunt and personal in this post. Circumstances compelled me to do so.
Jiten Roy
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Jiten Roy has found many mistakes in my post. He has not mentioned what mistakes though. If my mistake was to certify Mr. Rahman's post as a much better one than his own one, then I will request him to read the following response from Rahman. After reading this, Roy's attitude towards Rahman should change.
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Member Mustafizur Rahman, I think you missed my point a little bit or I was not able to explained it properly. You envisage that the sole purpose of education, any education should be to live well in THIS LIFE.
>>>>>>>>>> I did not say that, "Sole" purpose of our education (Madrassa or secular school) is "This life". Based on seera (Life story) of the last messenger of Allah (PBUH), he was a businessman, leader, philosopher, law maker, ruler and warrior as well. Without some education of "Dunya" our madrassa bound student CANNOT have any ideas of being a businessman or leader. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used to mix with people of all religion and very compassionate towards people of all faiths. I find many madrassa educated young men do not follow footsteps of the holy messenger (PBUH). Which is one of the main reason, mullahs and anyone who speaks about Islam are feared by non-Muslims. I find Islam is a beautiful religion and I have no problem discussing it with Muslims or non-Muslims. Calling good people from different faith "Kafir" or other bad names is against teaching of Islam. Many of our half-educated madrassa students (Sorry to say it this way but I actually took the trouble to verify this!) do not have knowledge about social applications of Islam. Most of last 1400 years Islam was welcomed by people who were oppressed and voiceless. Today not only western people "Fear" Islam but many of our fellow countrymen also afraid of Muslims and Islam. Tell me which secular or worldly school of yours will teach the young ones to memorize the Holy Quran, if not the madrassahas? Therefore, an update to our education system is needed. We can continue to produce "Huffaz" in madrassa but we also need to provide "Quality education" to our future generations. Few years ago our neighbor west Bengal tried it and from what I hear, it is getting better over there. Just wanted to repeat one point that, I am NOT asking to remove madrassa from Bangladesh RATHER I am asking our government to improve it. So students with madrassa education can hold good jobs and contribute to our country and serve people from all faith while they live in this land. Islam does NOT ask us to divorce ourselves from our communities (Unlike many religions) rather it asks us to improve the world we were given. By working and helping people of this world, we find blessings from Allah (SWT). This world is important to Muslims as well as the hereafter (AkhiraH). That is the reason we seek blessings of Allah(SWT) by saying...
-----Original Message----- From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com> To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:43 am Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Economics of Fundamentalism & Growth of Political Islam in Banglad esh !!!!!!!!!
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190 Thanks for your two cents, nay they were worth a dollar!
But I have some observations. You state that ' teaching them about new skills (Computer, technical knowledge in mobile sets, how to fix a car, intro to capitalist system etc) may help them to relate to our world. Here is a fundamental difference in the purpose of education that the madrassah system provides and what you advocate. You envisage that the sole purpose of education, any education should be to live well in THIS LIFE. As if there is no other life after this life of say 90 years. But Islam teaches that this life is temporary with limited freedom. So prepare for the more permanent life. Tell me which secular or worldly school of yours will teach the young ones to memorize the Holy Quran, if not the madrassahas? People like Abul Barkat will may declare after analysis that memorizing the Quran is a waste of time and effort. Learning to fix a car instead is more beneficial in this life. And here lies the fundamental difference between t he two concepts of education!!
Mustafizur Rahman
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