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Friday, February 10, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh



being ignorant, one may not know that 'h' remains mute in most pronunciations. Standard text books call the word 'Harb', and that doesn't definitely mean something herbal.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

The difference between 'Arb' and 'Harb' is insignificant.

>>>>>> Yeah they sounds close. But the meanings are miles apart. It is significant and important, if someone is serious about saying something accurate and authentic.

But for the "Creative mind" it is no not a "Big deal". ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 10, 2012 5:44 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
The difference between 'Arb' and 'Harb' is insignificant.  But when Wikipedia quotes Vulgate that Moses grew horns after he was chosen to represent Yahweh, because ancient Egyptian God Aten had horns too.  Some say, Aten became YHWH before transforming into Yahweh.  I prefer to spell that vengeful God as Yahoo.  I fear some 'Baiyakaran' would catch me for spelling another word wrongly.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
No, I did not know why Michaelangelo's Moses has horn :-) I looked up in Wikipedia as it was quick, there is some explanation there. There might be some evidence supporting this in some other source (which might be authentic). Did not find the need to do so.
 
But what is the point here?
 
I already confessed that I am semi-literate and always trying to learn. Like I did not know that there is a term 'Dar-ul-Arb' - first I thought someone mis-spelled Dar-ul-Harb.
 
Rabindranath Tagore made mockery of  madhykarshan tatta of 'tiki' by 'maha-pandit' neo-hindus (this term is mine), who knows those guys might have been right and Tagore wrong :-) Now we have so-called scientific explanation of Koran - not sure why most of those 'scholars' are non-muslims and do not embrace Islam even though Koran is proved  scientifically corrct? :-)
 
From my experience I have a point though - most of the people with narrow vision thinks themselves as know-all.
 
Anyway, thanks to Subimal Chakraborty, Q. A. Rahman, Farida Majid and Jiten Roy as they always substantiate or try to substantiate their position. BTW, I do not agree with them on all issues, sometimes due to contradictory evidence (in my opinion) and sometimes as my belief is opposite.
 
Thanks to everyone.


--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, February 6, 2012, 7:10 PM


 
History, being reconstructed from 'evidences' may sometimes be indeed different from facts.  Different authors would place the same things differently.  Different people would also have different opinions, worst are those who would not stand any criticism.  My question to Mahbub Kamal, "Do you have any clue to why Michelangelo's Moses has horns?  Was he a goat?"

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You haven't seen it because Maulana Azad never declared as Dar-ul-Harb (I have never heard the term 'Dar-ul-Arb' unless it is not a typo). As far as I know Abdul Aziz, son of Shaw Waliullah Deolawi, declared India as Dar-ul-Harb. His disciple, Syed Ahmed Barelvi of Rai Bareilly was the founder of Wahabi movement in India. He was known as Shahid-e-Balakot as he was killed in place called Balakot while fighting against Ranjit Singh's army. 
 
Some people present many 'facts' very forcefully (sometimes too forcefully) which a semi-literate like me find hard to digest, some examples are the English word whore having the same origin as Arabic hur, Ram and Ra-Amun (Amun-Ra?) being the same personality :-)
 
Anyway they may have authentic sources out of at least my reach :-)
 
BTW, one of my ex-colleauges had a strong belief that Nooh (Noah) and Manu were same personality. Another senior colleague told me poet Imrul Kayes embraced Islam after losing in poetry contest with the prophet (P.B.U.H) and that Surah Al-Kawser was a result of the contest. When I said that Imrul Kayes died before the prophet's birth he became extremely angry as he heard that 'history' from his father who was an 'Alim'.
 
Regards.
--- On Sun, 2/5/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 9:39 AM


 

Looked up some stories on Maulana Azad but did not see anything about calling India "Dar-ul_harb"


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
The exodus occurred in the twenties of last century.  The man you cited existed a century earlier.  Read the history of Indian Independence and Azad's contribution to it.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
The message remains the same whether it is Azad or Berelvi.  Ain't it?


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am afraid you are confusing Moulana Abul Kalam Azad with Syed Ahmed Berelvi!

Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:56 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
One should be a little more aware of history.  When Maulana Azad called India 'Darul-i-arb' or the land of war, hundreds of thousands of Moslems packed their bags and crossed the Khyber pass to walk their holy land and perished in Afghanistan.

"In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem."

Indeed, anyone is entitled to his opinion.  However that would cot change the facts.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • "Spiritual home" of 4 million Hindus is not "thousands of miles away." You are forgetting them!
  • Modern civilized world will never consider letting "him drown" as a good option.
  • In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
I wish to sympathize with my brother.  The basic problem, though, is that his spiritual home is thousands of miles away.  If he does not relocate to the place where his mind is, I have little choice but to let him drown.  Abraham left his motherland after it was too saline to support cultivation.  Rest is history.  If my brother and I are invaded by the ocean, I would have less difficulty than these children of Abraham with a desire to conquer other civilizations by hook or crook.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • First we should express our concern about the potentially endangered 35 million. We should think about what should be done about them. We do not have even 40 years at our disposal.
  • Of these 35 million about 4 million will be non-Muslims.
  • If the crisis really arises and mass migration to India occurs, can India and the rest of the world really remain indifferent in the face of this humanitarian crisis?
  • Why do we assume that most of them "will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat?" Why can't we see them as the distressed humanity?
  • My brother is sinking and I am worried that he will share and pollute my cousin's home! This cannot be the line of thinking.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 

"Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level."
If the above prediction of Al Gore really comes true, can you guess where those 35 million people will go? All of them will move in to India. The eastern belt of West Bengal and Assam is already saturated with Bangladeshi settlers and migrant workers. Colonies after colonies of Bangladeshi settlers are already present all around Delhi, Bombay, and Gujrat; can they take another 35 million Bangladeshi settlers? Most of them will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat. What can India do with such unwanted guests? I do not envision a happy ending. Do you?
Jiten Roy

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 



Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
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Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

Al Gore, Reader Supported News
01 February 12
 
fter crossing the legendary Drake Passage, we came in sight of the Antarctic continent. It is a majestic, otherworldly place. The Antarctic Peninsula, which juts northward toward South America, is lined with ice-covered mountains and surrounded by abundant wildlife in the sea. But even on this continent that looks and feels pristine, a troubling process is underway because of global warming.
The ice on land is melting at a faster rate and large ice sheets are moving toward the ocean more rapidly. As a result, sea levels are rising worldwide. Most of the world's ice is contained in Antarctica - more than 90 percent. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which lies south of the Peninsula, contains enough water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 20 feet. Part of the ice sheet, the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, is among the many in Antarctica that are shrinking at an accelerating rate. This has direct consequences for low-lying coastal and island communities all over the world - and for their inland neighbors.
In analyzing the relationship between melting ice and sea level rise, it is important to distinguish between two kinds of ice: the ice on land and the ice floating on top of the sea. When floating ice melts, sea level is not affected, because its weight has already pushed the sea level upward. But the melting of glaciers and ice sheets resting on land does increase sea level rise. So far, the melting of small mountain glaciers and portions of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland has been the main contributor to sea level rise from the loss of ice. (As the oceans warm up, their volume naturally expands, and this too has been a contributor to a small portion of the sea level rise that has occurred in the age of global warming).
Scientists aren't yet sure precisely how much sea levels will rise over the next century. What we do know is that sea level rise is occurring already, with real consequences for human beings who live near the coasts. In the world's largest port cities, 40 million people are now already at risk of severe coastal flooding. That number could well triple within the next half-century or so.
Even wealthier countries are not immune to the impacts. In the United States, for example, particularly vulnerable areas are: Miami Beach, the Chesapeake region, coastal Louisiana, and coastal Texas. In some of these areas, the land is sinking even as the oceans rise. This will have implications that extend right up to the steps of our nation's Capitol. A recent study found that sea level rise of only a tenth of a meter would lead to $2 billion in property damage and affect almost 68,000 people in Washington, D.C. In addition, the enhanced threat of storm surges was illustrated last year when tropical storm Irene led to warnings that the New York City subway system and tunnels into the city could be flooded.
But the most vulnerable regions lie in developing countries, where populations are still rising fast and there is little money to shore up infrastructure. The cities most threatened by sea level rise are places like Calcutta and Mumbai in India; Guangzhou, China; and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And of course, there are more than a few low-lying island nations - like the Maldives - that are already in imminent danger.
Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level. For the nation's 142 million people packed into a small space, climate change poses a nearly unimaginable challenge. The threat of sea level rise is not simply flooding, but saltwater intrusion that hurts the production of rice, the country's staple crop. Increased damage to rice farmers could soon put 20 million farmers out of work and force them into crowded cities.
Here in Antarctica, it's easy to feel isolated from the rest of the world. But as I look at this exquisite continent buried deep under the ice, it's troubling to think about what will happen as this ice melts ever more rapidly.
Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.
 

















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