Try to talk in a civilized manner in this forum. Most members here have been very tolerant of your abusive behavior. This is a public forum and some people have different point of views. Albeit MOST of what you put out are based on falsehood and fiction, (Most of the time) people "Tolerate" your "Contribution" (Which is most of the time can be termed "hate-mongering").
With freedom comes responsibilities. Please act like a responsible person ....
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 7:40 AM
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By some accounts the 'History of Western Philosophy' was submitted as a Ph. D. thesis which his supervisor Dr. Barnes. By Russell's own fuzzy account, it was a compilation of William Jones lectures, delivered at Harvard in the autumn of 1940.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
Member Das,
-----Original Message-----
Russell's autobiography is available in the bookstores. I have no reason to quote pages of his 'fuzzy' account. I have no reason to continue debate with a person who believes that his list of reading is 'too long'. The world famous man was 68 and not 72 years old, as the 'wise' Chakrabarty is trying to point out. His fame was contributed largely by the book we are talking about, something Chakrabarty finds not so good (like Dr. Barnes, the book had been the best selling philosophy text in the last century!). He even submitted his manuscripts to the court to prove his point.
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Subimal:
You are trying to establish a point which, probably, most of the readers in this forum do not give a damn. Russell is Russell. Who cares if he has submitted a Ph.D. thesis or not? I see that you have no better argument to prove or disprove it, yet - you are sticking with it. We have many other important issues to discuss; Russell's Ph.D. dissertation is not one of them. You should understand the importance of a point before you try to spend so much of your valuable time to establish it. This is not such an important matter.
Jiten Roy
--- On Sun, 3/25/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
My reading list is already too long. Why don't you quote the "fuzzy" sentence for our ready reference? A world famous 72 year old man is hungry to get a doctoral degree! An interesting case indeed.
Read his autobiography please.
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 2:33 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
In the preface of A History of Western Philosophy, Russell has written a paragraph as follows:"This book owes its existence to Dr. Albert C. Barnes, having been originally designed and partly delivered as lectures at the Barnes Foundation in Pennsylvania."
Is their any "dishonesty" in this statement on the part of Russell? I don't think so. It is not fuzzy at all. Again, he was 72 at that time. Five years later, he got Nobel prize in literature.
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:49 PM
"Among generals, I am Skanda" said Krishna in Gita. Skanda is indisputably Sikander, i.e., Alexander the Great. Krishna is apparently a post-Alexander personality. So is Agastya Muni, author of Rg-Veda History is well documented after the invasion by the Greeks and has no such record of a war at Kurukshetra. A fool may be brainwashed with anything. Couldn't the socalled 'Gita Bhashya' be written by someone else and passed in the name of Sankaracharya?
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:12 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am still intrigued about Russell's attempt to obtain a Ph.D degree. I will need more help from anybody in the forum.
Russell was born in 1872. History of Western Philosophy was published in 1945 when he was already 73 years old. He had already become world famous by co-authoring Principia Mathematica (1910-13) with Whitehead when he was 41.
When did he go to America any way? Probably not until he was in his fifties. It is hard to believe that a world famous man would go for a Ph.D degree at this age under the supervision of an American professor? Again, who knows! I really need help.
World famous philosopher Wittgenstein about whom Stephen Hawking has spoken so high was his Ph.D student in England.
Did a "bad boy" from England really care about a Ph.D degree at his old age?
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
1.As usual, you are misreading what I write. Russell wrote 'History of Western Philosophy' as a Ph. D. thesis and was not given athe degree as he failede to impress his supervisor. Read his autobiography. That did not prevent him from becoming a much more reputed scholar than his guide. 2. Remember the verse, "Prothome narjita Vidya...". Trying to 'learn new things' with your age and mindset is next to impossible. I may be in a worse situation in terms of health, but how do you know my age? I skipped primary school, age wise you might not be younger than me. I started teaching in Rajshahi college at an age less than 20 yrs 10 months. Many of my students even in the eleventh grade were older than me That is besides the question. 3. When Islam ruined the old civilizations, northern Europe was mostly unlivable. The desert 'civilization' is bound to be different from that of a fertile land.4. This may be last point, but most important. I have no intention to carry on blogging with you. Read good books if you can, and please for your Lord's [Ramkrishna] sake get off my back. I have no need to share 'knowledge' with you or the men your 'gharana'.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Dada, you are probably three years older than me. Are you not in a worse situation than me with respect to learning new things?
2. Dada, you recommended me to read Bertrand Russell to "learn" that Islamic scholars had no contribution to European civilization. That's why I read (as a matter of fact re-read a few pages) from Russell and produced some quotes to show that he actually pretty well recognizes contribution of Islamic scholars. After all, he is Russell and has no problem in admitting what he thinks to be true.
3.Russell wrote the book in 1945. I am tired tonight. Hopefully tomorrow I will quote from a book that was published in 1990. You will be shocked more.
4. As a matter of fact any reasonably good book on history of western philosophy reconizes the contribution of Islamic (muslim) scholars to the wealth of European wisdom.
5. One word of caution here. In the discussion we have to keep Islam, Mohammed, and muslim (Islamic) scholars separate from one another. That is exactly what a good book on history of philosophy does.
6. I am surprised to learn that Russell had a Ph.D degree.
7. About "A History of Western Philosophy" I have heard a different story. He wrote it to earn quick money when he was in deep financial crisis while his stay in the USA. An author has complained that the book was written in a hurry and hence is a job not well done.
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
1. Mr. Chakravbarty, I have reasons to be impressed by your lack of depth on any subject. I suppose you are a little over aged to enter into a freshman course. With your level of comprehension, wisdom seems unattainable to you. Ibn Sina called 'Maharshi Muhammad' a billy goat. Read Khayyam's comments on him. That may enlighten you. To understand Islam, you have to study more contemporary authors than Russell. Read Arberry, Watt, Ibn Warraqa, P.K. Hitti, Bernard Lewis etc. Islam is a 'civilization' with many faces. Only acceptable face is Sufism. It had grown as a cult of Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, and later got cloaked under the cult of Mohammedans. The worst event in history was the fall of the Persians due to the war of succession after the death of Khosroe (poisoned by one of his sons). Arabians filled the power vacuum thus created. Islam is not a civilization. It is a scourge to all great civilizations;viz., Byzantine, Egyptian, Indian, Persians, Spanish etc. Kemal Pasha understood it and tried to be more Byzantine than Islamic. 2. Russell is informative, no doubt, but he is not the last answer. He wrote 'History of Western Philosophy' as a Ph. D. dissertation and failed to impress his American supervisor. In fact no book, except the 'Holy Quran' in your opinion, is the last answer. So read as many books as you can find and draw your own conclusion. Read every book more than once till the contents become comprehensible. I do it myself. 3. Religion is something that binds a society together. All 'great religions' are fragmented today. God is also dead since long time ago. Being invented by primitive men, it can unite a few fools at best. Even Karl Marx seem more powerful than God.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. I am neither a physician nor a holder of a doctorate degree.
2. I am quoting from Russell:
(i) "Its (Mohammedan civilization's) importance, which must not be underrated, is as a transmitter. Between ancient and modern European civilization, the dark ages intervened. The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual energy required for innovation, preserved the apparatus of civilization---education, books, and learned leisure. Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism---the Mohammedans chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth. In each case the stimulus produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters---in the one case scholasticism, in the other case the Renaissance (which however had other causes also)."
(ii) "He Averroes (Ibn Rushd) (1126-1198) holds that the existence of God can be proved by reason independently of revelation, a view also held by Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)."
(iii) "His (Averroes's) influence in Europe was very gteat, not only on the scholastics, but also on a large body of unprofessional free-thinkers, who denied immortality and were called Averroists.Among professional philosophers, his admirers were at first especially among the Fransiscans and at the University of Paris."
(iv) "From the twelfth to the seventeenth century, he (Ibn Sina or Avicenna (980-1037) was used in Europe as a guide to medicine.----------He was the author of an encyclopaedia, almost unknown to the East because of the hostility of theologians, but influencial in the West through Latin translations. His psychology has an empirical tendency."
I could have quoted more. My point is that we must not be shallow in our comments. We must read and then make a comment.
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