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Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)



I did, and Mr. Rahman ( may Allah bestow rahmat on him) reacted.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around 4-5 months ago, you brought this allegation about Islam (That it allows looting??). I have answered it and explained it with more than enough references. But like many Islamphobes, you kept at it. Please re-read many discussions we had on this topic.

I do not mind critic of anything. However these "One liners are more about spreading lies than "Critic". Critical thinking requires education, information, references and a willingness to learn new things (Once you get an answer).

I only tried to reply with correct information against hate mongering.

Had Muslims were interested in looting, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would not have died in such a poor state (Did not have oil to lit his house). He used to distribute money among needy people. But I do understand "Out of context lies" looks real most of the time.

During prophet's time Muslims ONLY fought (After not fighting and being persecuted for 13 years) to protect their communities and properties. NEVER to consume any property that belonged to another person.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
I did, and Mr. Rahman ( may Allah bestow rahmat on him) reacted.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Let's not talk about Islam;  people have objection to the criticism of Islam.
We were talking about gambling and religion, and, I believe, Mr. Rahman introduced Islam into it, if I am not mistaken.


--- On Mon, 7/2/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 2, 2012, 8:32 PM

 
Money changers and money lenders ain't the same breed of animals. 
Islam allows looting;

>>>>>>> Not true.  Really, what is the Surah Anfal(Sura#8) all about?

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
Islam allows looting;

>>>>>>> Not true.

Also Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) spoke against Money changers which is ALSO prohibited in Islam.Which deals with riba or interest based money leading.


Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
"most religions do not sanction these types of activities."  Not true, in Hinduism, Dharmaputra Yudisthira staked even his wife on gambling; Islam allows looting; Jesus spoke against money changers, but not against the gamblers.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
 
Jiten Roy
 
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control. 





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