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Thursday, July 5, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)



"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.


>>>>>>>>> Member Subimal's statement/observation is closer to how a "Religious" person sees religion and member Roy's observation reflects how a anti-religious person view's religion.

Also it is right that, most religions spoke against gambling. Even in the US tax on alcohol and gambling is often called as "Sin tax". Most of the time taxes are high on these activities.

As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says. It also asks us to reflect and use our wisdom. To me it is a very pragmatic book that is often "Worshiped" (But not followed!) by some backward people.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.
 
--- On Sun, 7/1/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 4:04 PM

 
Guess (the name of the girl:-* kiss who has put her beautiful palms on your eyes), wild guess (no clue and hence choose option D), educated guess (options A and B have been eliminated and hence choose between C and D), speculation (invest in Company A), etc. are not synonymous. Of these, the phrase "wild guess" has a negative connotation. In this case the guesser has absolutely no clue about the possible outcome. Even in this case "faith" has no role. A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved. He acts with 100% confidence. There are, however, "partial" believers (skeptics!) (I have met people belonging to this group) who are not risk averse at all when it comes to religion and hence acts like a believer although sometimes in a loosely bound way.  
 
I think all the great religions have spoken against gambling. Sage Manu has disapproved of gambling. From Mahabharata we know that the pious kings had the custom of gambling. Yuthisthira lost in gambling his entire kingdom and even his and his four brothers' common wife Draupadi. Probably the author of this epic Vyasadev was also not in favor of gambling. 
 
Economic history points to the fact that speculation in stock markets can be catastrophic. No doubt there is fun and excitement and sorrow as well associated with gambling. We have seen how gambling, wine, women can go hand in hand to ruin a person or a whole family. That's why I think religious prohibitions may be rooted in preserving or promoting the welfare of the followers.
 
Having said all this, I am not against gambling as a fun and gambling as a fund raising mechanism.     
      

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
 
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
 
Jiten Roy
 
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control. 


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