As I said, it is the quality that we need and not more mouths that we can't feed or house in a small place like Bangladesh. It is heading for a total ecological catastrophe unless we curve the population growth. You may not like the messenger but the message is very valid and you know it. You may ignore Malthus and his predictions but we Bangladeshis are not capable of utilizing this huge surplus population in our territory unless we export them to some foreign countries. We are not even any good in any field that I can think about. Just name one please if you care. Just recently, Malaysia, KSA and other Arabian countries have restricted Bangladeshis entering their territories. That gives a strong shiver to many of our politicians irrespective of their party affiliations.
If you want to be blind and ignore all these tell tell sign of a looming catastrophe, be my guest dear! This is not about Islam, it is rather going against the common sense.
I am sorry to make you angry but I stand for what I wrote.
-SD
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Deeldar Shah <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
If you want to be blind and ignore all these tell tell sign of a looming catastrophe, be my guest dear! This is not about Islam, it is rather going against the common sense.
I am sorry to make you angry but I stand for what I wrote.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Deeldar Shah <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
Whether you like it or not, and you and the mukto-mona smart alecs may not have noticed it, the world has moved on from the early 19th century English Protestant priest's fear -- The Malthus catastrophe. Any one who talks about the Malthusian principle is laughed at. Why are you babbling about Muslims in the same manner as Mohish Mohiuddin and, on the flip side, the Hindu communalists of Sangh Parivar and Bangladesh?
It has been hard to rock the secular foundation of Bengal (Bangladesh) and we all know what painful, terrifying, murderous attempts there have been made to do so in the past 75 years or so. I lose heart sometimes. The Jamaat-shibir-razakar gang and their Baap-chacha -- KSA & Uncle Sam-- keep putting on the crunches. Bangladesh is increasingly an important South Asian country. Our human resources are our greatest strength. Again-- times don't stand still, and values, even in economic calculations, undergo changes.
Farida Majid
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:00:47 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
CC: kamalctgu@gmail.com
It has been hard to rock the secular foundation of Bengal (Bangladesh) and we all know what painful, terrifying, murderous attempts there have been made to do so in the past 75 years or so. I lose heart sometimes. The Jamaat-shibir-razakar gang and their Baap-chacha -- KSA & Uncle Sam-- keep putting on the crunches. Bangladesh is increasingly an important South Asian country. Our human resources are our greatest strength. Again-- times don't stand still, and values, even in economic calculations, undergo changes.
Farida Majid
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:00:47 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
CC: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Well, well, you might not like his straight talk but he is not totally wrong. We are now more 160 millions and still breeding with a very fast rate with the hope that Allah will take care of us. Obviously, the almighty does not care about our population growth or whether we should be forced to head for other countries in the future? The space is very limited in Bangladesh and there is already a spill over effect on surrounding countries whether you believe or not. No country would like to be overwhelmed by another fast growing population group with no intention to integrate but fight for a greater Ummah. These are legitimate fears whether you like or not. Muslims have failed to take care of its own problems. It is the quality that is needed not the quantity!
-SD
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
Does this man Kamal Das have no other hobby than bashing Islam, bad-mouthing Muslims of Bangladesh and dispensing unsolicited,incoherent wisdom like disjointed dark-colored globules of shit (otherwise known as chhagoler naadi)?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:40:03 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:40:03 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
A blind man is not expected to see anything. The B. B. C. & CNN coverage on the episode had plenty of people speaking with Bangladeshi accent.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
I saw no trace of Bagladeshi offensive in the conflict, so systematically and vigorously orchestrated by BJP and VHP, led by L.K. Advani, Tarun Vijay and Praveen Togadia. They are playing with the lives of people and poisoning atmosphere for future. Bangladeshi is more of an abuse to humiliate Muslims who are native Indians. There may be a few percent Bangladeshis (as a Rajvanshi ex-serviceman in rural Kokrajhar put it at 10%), but even these, in all likelihood are labourers and labourers are no exploiters but an exploited lot. They need to be treated with dignity. All countries have legal and illegal migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. At last some common sense!!
I have been to India but did not see large "Bangladeshi" population roaming around. I hear a lot about Bangladeshi shoppers who buys a lot of Indian goods and going for better treatment in India but don't think there are significant amount of Bangladeshi people that can cause social unrest.
Once of the problem is Muslims from West Bengal are treated like "Bangladeshi foreigners" in their own country. This is an Indian issue and Indian leadership need to address it properly.
Even if there are some insignificant number of "Illegals" in India, I don't think they are running out with a load of money in their pockets. We are talking India not Sweden!!
So treating every person with minimum dignity will bring India closer to her neighbors. Right now "Center" is hated by many Indians themselves and Indian policies are disliked by her neighbors. This is not how future super powers works. Maybe India can learn from China about foreign policies.
>>>>>>>>> I am glad people are coming back their senses. Wish only peace and prosperity for these people. Hope politicians will not mislead these people any more. A peaceful, prosperous and stable India should be part of collective Bangladeshi wishes as well.
t 6 AM on August 5 I left for Kashipara and from there to Kokrajhar. I visted the Commerce College Bodo camp. People treated me with warmth and showed appreciation for peace efforts. At 12 noon I took Kamrup express to Guwahati.
Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 5:27 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
From: sukla.sen@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:11:01 +0530
Subject: [india-unity] "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict isDisservice to the NationV.K. Tripathi, IIT DelhiThe ethnic violence between Bodos and Muslims in Bodo territorial region of Assam is a national calamity. It has taken a toll of 65 innocent lives (besides the scores of people missing) and rendered 4 lakh homeless. The first priority of sane polity and responsible government is to restore the trust between the warring groups, Bodos and Muslims, without the slightest of ill will against any of the communities and isolate miscreants from the masses. Muslims are poorer, have lost more lives and fled in larger numbers (up to 80%) but Bodos are no economic elite. The creation of Bodo Territorial Council (covering 4 districts – Kokrajhar, Chirang, Baxa and Udalguri) by the Center in 2003, has given a section of them an upper hand but masses of both the communities are in hardships.I spent three days (August 3 to 5) in the area, visited relief camps – 2 Bodo camps in Kokrajhar (with 560 and 1500 people) , 1 Muslim camp in Kashipara (960 people), 1 Muslim camp in Dhubri (360 people) and 3 Muslim camps in Bilasipara (2000, 2500 and 3500 people), visited a Muslim village Bhadyagudi, a mixed Bodo-Muslim village Bhatipara and met a cross-section of people. I also met Deputy Commissioner (DC) of Kokrajhar Mr. Jayant Narlikar, DC of Dhubri Mr. Kumud Kalita and Principal, Vice Principal and Librarian of Bhola Nath College, Dhubri.I saw no trace of Bagladeshi offensive in the conflict, so systematically and vigorously orchestrated by BJP and VHP, led by L.K. Advani, Tarun Vijay and Praveen Togadia. They are playing with the lives of people and poisoning atmosphere for future. Bangladeshi is more of an abuse to humiliate Muslims who are native Indians. There may be a few percent Bangladeshis (as a Rajvanshi ex-serviceman in rural Kokrajhar put it at 10%), but even these, in all likelihood are labourers and labourers are no exploiters but an exploited lot. They need to be treated with dignity. All countries have legal and illegal migrants. USA has a very significant percentage of illegal Mexicans. But who engages them and benefits from their hard work?"- the business class, for cheap labour. USA is immensely more powerful than us but it could not force the Mexicans out. India has limited resources and can't afford to sustain work force from neighbouring countries, hence legal ways, commensurate with workers' dignity, must be employed to identify and deport them and to stop their migration (if at all there is any loop hole). As far as the language of Muslims in the area is concerned, there is strong historical reason for it. Kokrajhar district borders with West Bengal and Dhubri with Bangladesh. 100-150 years ago British tea planters brought labourers from Bengal where Muslims were a predominant landless work force. Thus they speak Bengali. One more observation. In 1971 India welcomed lakhs of Hindu-Muslim refugees as a part of strategy on Bangladesh. Many of them overstayed.The current conflict developed as a chain event. Miscreants killed two Muslims on July 6. On July 19, a prominent Muslim suffered bullet injuries and a mob killed 4 Bodos, Subsequently sporadic killings of Muslims and display of fire power by Bodo elements, created a frightening atmosphere, forcing people to flee their homes. In Muslim dominated areas Bodos were made to flee. Once people fled, many of their homes were looted and put on fire. Most camps, having over 2.5 lakh Muslim refugees, are located in Dhubri district. This district with 80% Muslim population suffered no loss of life Bodos from six villages had to flee to Kokrajhar.Bodo insurgents have carried a long drawn violent struggle for separate Bodoland. In 2003 Center created BTAD (Bodoland Territorial Autonomous Districts) giving substantial authority to Bodos (about 35 seats in the 40 member BTC Council). This created a wedge between them and other communities (Muslims, Santhals and Rajvanshis) who have a much larger share in population. Many insurgent groups surrendered their arms but some still have them. Disarming them is a major responsibility of the state.All relief camps are facing severe hardships. The Muslim camps look even more dejected and worried, besides being poorer. On August 5 as I was sitting with people in a camp in Bilasipara when Roja Aftar time arrived, I noted that they had only one bucket of dates and biscuit packets for aftaar for 2000 people. On behalf of Sadbhav Mission I offered them 1000 rupees to purchase additional dates. Same was the scene in another camp. At night often there is load shedding for several hours and these camps plunge into darkness besides exposing them to mosquito bite. People cook their own food from the ration (rice, pulses and oil) provided by the government and vegetables provided by local support or NGOs. In most places people of all the communities are coming forward to extend support. Despite heavy odds people are at peace. I wish they had a creative engagement. They could be given some training or exposure in relevant trades. Students can be given tutorial sessions, game sessions or could go for jogging.Mine was a short visit that began with my arrival in Guwahati at 7 AM. From the airport I took bus to train station. At 9:45 I took North East Express and got down at Kokrajhar at 1:20 PM. I walked through the city and then took a tempo to Kashipara (8 km away). I visited a Muslim camp and walked 3 km to visit two villages. At 8 PM I met the DC. By that time curfew had started hence I stayed in the circuit house in a awesome room for Rs. 130. Next morning (August 4) at 7 AM, I walked to Bodo camp Swrang M.E. High School. People were nice. Some got annoyed when I mentioned Nellie massacre. From there I took tempo, minibus and bus to reach Dhubri by 12 noon. I walked to a relief camp and talked to people for one hour. This interaction was heartening. From there I went to Bholanath college. At 3:15 PM I met the DC and then left for Bilasipara. During 5 to 8:15 PM I visited 3 camps. Then took shelter in ABI hotel (for Rs. 250). It gave me the feeling of hardships faced by camp people as there was no light and mosquitoes were in abundance.At 6 AM on August 5 I left for Kashipara and from there to Kokrajhar. I visted the Commerce College Bodo camp. People treated me with warmth and showed appreciation for peace efforts. At 12 noon I took Kamrup express to Guwahati. After reaching there I called some friends and left for the airport en route to Delhi.
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From: vipin tripathi <tripathivipin@yahoo.co.in>
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Peace Is Doable
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