Re: [mukto-mona] - India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam

I have high regards for the indian constitution. The state, those who run the state, and the people are different things. All people are not equally enlightened. Similarly all rulers are not fair. It is a well known fact that the Congress govt. did not stop the demolition of the historic structure. It is comparable to the destruction of the Bamiyan mosque by the Taliban. Saying this does not mean that I have undermined the Indian constitution. In Meerat riot, state police (I think called consabulary) took the sides of the Hindu goons. You can come with more examples. Even in the beating case, the police was not fair. 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] - India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam

 

Mr. Q. Rahman is blaming the secular constitution of India for not protecting the girl, who was punished ('beaten') by her relatives for converting to Islam. Mr. Chakraborty, on the other hand, first supported the Indian secular constitution, and then undermined it.  None of these comments make any sense to me. I am not sure why they are trying to connect secularism and constitution with this story, except to undermine them. As I see - this is a family issue, and the family, obviously, could not approve girl's action, and they were angry, which resulted into such a punishment. I see nothing unusual here. Do you? Let me remind Mr. Rahman and others that - this is not the so called 'honor-killing' issue of the Hindu society. If it were, I could join hands with Mr. Rahman and others.    There are thousands of incidents like this in Bangladesh. I am sure, Mr. Chakraborty and Mr. Rahman are aware of many of them. Often I hear stories like – adolescent schoolgirls abducted and converted to Islam. Most cases - these girls are lost forever from their families and friends. So,  their anger is quite justifiable in this case. There is no happy ending in any of these families.   I could care less if someone made a conscious decision about his/her religion. Unfortunately, that's not the case; most of these girls are very young, and unable to make conscious judgment at that age. Many of them admitted, in the later part of their lives, that it was a wrong decision in the first place. But, what good that could bring in their lives - nothing? The only way this process can be fair - if it is open-ended, and uniformly supported by all religious communities. Can this happen with the honor-killing system in the society? I doubt.   Jiten Roy --- On Tue, 8/28/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote: From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] - India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 9:04 PM   People are not the state. Indian state has a secular constitution that does not endorse such killings, but a state with strict Shariah law will probably will commit such killings officially. Ambedkar, a great scholar and one of the chief architects of the Indian constitution, led a mass conversion of 50,000 dalits to Buddhism. It might not have been possible in any other country. It does not mean that leaders of the secular parties are all free from evils. The then secular leaders showed total passivity during (or maybe even indirectly supported) the demolition of the Babri mosque. Many a time (I still remember Meerat riot) state police have participated in communal riots to kill Muslims. From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] - India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam   Maybe, you should check out what Muslims do to their own brothers and sisters when they abandon their religion? They get killed or stoned! Get off your high horse, bro! -SD   "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: [mukto-mona] - India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam   Thanks God for Indian press. The real situation of "Secular India" where people are NOT free to pick a religion of their choice. Shalom!         India: Sisters Beaten for Converting to Islam   Vinita Shaw and her sister both say they were beaten by neighbors for converting from Hinduism to Islam, and here I was thinking that it was only Muslims who had issues with those of their (former) co-religionists who leave the faith! What if they were Muslim?: Sisters beaten up for converting to Islam by Arshad Ali (Indian Express) A south Kolkata girl, who has converted from Hinduism to Islam, and her sister who is also keen to convert, were beaten up allegedly by the associates of the local councillor. The girls have also alleged police inaction. Vinita Shaw, 25, a resident of 57/2B Bondel Road, adopted Islam in December last year. Her new name, vide an affidavit by a first class magistrate is, Taiba Khatoon (The Indian Express possesses a copy of the affidavit). Her sister, 18-year-old Pooja Shaw, too, expressed her wish to follow suit last week. The conversion apparently did not go down too well with their neighbours, who, on June 8, beat up the two sisters and their family, including her mother and brother, with bricks and rods. "We are a very poor family. My father is paralytic and bed-ridden. These people started a fight on the pretext that we dirty the place too much. But when they started beating us, they said unmentionable things as I have converted," said Vinita. She also alleged that both sisters were abused and molested. Vinita also claimed harassment at the hands of the police."I went to the police station with a written complaint against Asim Bera, Tapas Bera, Abhishek Malakar, Krishna Ray, Akash Ray, Manoj Singh, Bikas Singh and Birju Paswan but investigating officer D D Roy Chowdhury tore it up and wrote it himself. He even refused to give me a copy of the complaint and when I insisted, he asked the other officer there to give it to me, referring to me with unmentionable names," she said.

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