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Thursday, August 2, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling



Actual reason of trying Socrates was that he had conspired against the Athenian democracy (vide From Socrates to Sartre - T. Z. Lavine, p. 13.).  He was given enough opportunity to hide, but he did not.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

In a country in which blasphemy law is strictly followed it is risky to engage in critical analysis of divine and infallible authorities. Socrates did it. He was accused of blasphemy and demoralizing the young men and he was obliged to drink hemlock to kill himself as the punishment. 

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On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Unfortunately, this very term determines the life or death in some corners of the world. It's not meant to be used so broadly. If you do, there will be no room for questioning for critical analysis of religious views, and the world will be engulfed with prejudices.

--- On Thu, 8/2/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 8:50 AM

 
One of the dictionary (Mirriam-Webster) meanings of "blasphemy" is "Irreverence towards something considered sacred or inviolable". I have used my own words to decribe the term. Am I really too far fom the dictionary meaning? Are religions, religious scriptures and prophets of religion not sacred and is it not a sin to express doubts in them?  
Prof. Das is righ. Brave hearts have challenged them although not with great risks and that's why world has not stopped.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 

The word 'blasphemy' is being thrown around recklessly. It should not be used so callously and broadly as Mr. Chakraborty did.
--- On Wed, 8/1/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 9:22 PM

 
Religious scripture is the product of the minds of the under class of a society.  Consider the Jews as the underdogs of the ancient Egyptian Pharaonic culture, Christians as the same of the Romans,
and the Muslims as that of the Quaraishis.  Religion is authoritative and there is nothing divine in it.  Historically, it has always been challenged and reformed to meet the need of the day.
There is nothing blasphemous in exposing the truth about anything, those who can't stand the heat should leave the kitchen.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:45 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Asking question and questioning are two different things. Religion is divine and authoritative and hence beyond questioning or challenge. Questioning or challenging a religion, a religious scripture, and a religious prophet is blasphemous.
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
Only an inquisitive mind can question his faith.  Ain't it forbidden in religion?
>>>>>>>>>>> Asking questions is not "Forbidden" in Islam. In fact the Qur'an asks the readers to think, ponder and verify the message it gave. Then it also challenges the readers as well. However making fictional false tales, libel, slander is not exactly "Questioning religion". That is what you call "Disturbing Obsession with religion". For example, there are many institutions, websites openly seeks "Questions" about Islam. Now a days scholars of Islam encourages followers to know reasons behind rituals of Islam. I think it is a good thing and people are reacting well to this. Shalom!
-----Original Message-----From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:19 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
My observation was based on history from the point of view of a believer.  Only an inquisitive mind can question his faith.  Ain't it forbidden in religion?
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:35 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I would not turn the observation of "it is blasphemous for a scientist to teach a believer to question his faith" by Dr. Das into an advice to be followed.
 
I would rather turn George Bernard Shaw's observation of "all great truths begin as blasphemies", as quoted by Mr. Deeldar, into an advice. That is, commit blasphemies, if you have to, to uncover the truths.
 
However, since blasphemy is such a sensitive matter for the believers, I think rational people could avoid publicly questioning beliefs that look innocent. Proactive attacks on hateful beliefs can also be avoided. However, actual acts of hatred should be corrected and/or punished; there arguments like, "oh I (or we) did it because my (or our) religion taught me (or us) to do it" should not be accepted.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
"It is blasphemous for a scientist to teach a believer to question his faith."
 
I think that is a great advice!
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
Dr. Roy, even the big bang theory is outdated long ago.  In cosmology, a theory is created every six months.  All those disciples of Moses, Jews, Christians and Moslems who believe that the Universe was created in six days should first explain what days they are talking about.  Isn't a day the time required for the earth to complete a spin, or apparently the time taken by the Sun to circle around the earth? So the Genesis story falls apart right away.  Let Mr. Rahman be in peace with his revealed stories of the Holy Quran, let him be happy with the Islamic version of Ariyan heresy that Allah created the Universe with advice and instruction from Nur Muhammad.  It is blasphemous for a scientist to teach a believer to question his faith.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You are right initially some power was needed to get the process going. That was the big-bang, the instigating force behind all these. This power did not create Mother Nature; it happened long after the big-bang through many evolutionary cycles.
 




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