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Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...



Good wonderment. Actually I don't have definite answer. Probably Jasimuddin would not write such a story to make many people unhappy. You probably know Dr. Kaniz Siddiquey, sister of Dr. Kamal Siddiquey. She has written a novel titled Sonar Shikol in which she shows deep love between a Hindu boy and a Muslim girl. She told me that there has been a TV drama based on this story. She gave me a story for Ogrobeej edited by me. She is a feminist writer. 

A patriarchal society sees woman as a commodity and a subhuman being. It is unthinkable that she will choose a partner who is not of her own religion, caste, race, or who belongs to a socioeconomically "inferior" group. Loss of her chastity to such a partner hurts the ego of the patriarchs who think that some thing exclusively his or theirs has been snatched away from him or them. The irony is that It is not that he always properly values this "commodity". 

Bankim has a bad reputation that in his stories Muslim girls fell in love with Hindu boys. It has also been said that Mir Mosharaf Hossain retaliated by writing a story showing an affair between a Muslim man and a Hindu woman. I have so much respect for these two great writers that I want to believe that only the social conditions of the time made them write such stories. 

Manusanhita is pretty patriarchal and discriminatory in this respect. It is OK for sperm of a higher caste man to be ejaculated into the vagina of a lower caste woman but not vise versa. There are some more interesting lessons in this sacred book. 

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On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

You should ask Late Jasimuddin about what would happen if the boy is a Hindu and the girl is a Moslem, as the case had been with Ramendu - Ferdousi, Bamadas - Gulshan Ara Puspa etc.  Caste impediments in marriage among Hindus are  comparatively recent and has creeped in after the Turkish Invasion, according to Ronald Inden.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Thanks. So both state and Islam can stand between young persons when they are deep love. Don't get me wrong. Hindu system is worse--not only the religion, even caste may act as the villain. There are also non-religious factors that may be an obstacle in case of marriage. My point is if it is possible to make a religion more humanistic. After all religions are for human beings and not the vice-versa---as a humanist that's what I believe.

In Jasimuddin's "Sojan Badiyar Ghat" a Muslim boy named Sojan and a Hindu girl Duli are in love with each other. They elope and marry secretly. They are religious. They respect each other's religion. For example, Sojan buys and brings vermilion and conch bangles for Duli and Duli draws Kaaba on a piece of cloth to decorate the room. Can't we say that humanist Jasimuddin has elevated religion at a higher level?



From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...

 
I thought in Islam there is no compulsion on one's religious belief.


>>>>>>>>> Zakir Naik is not running for political office. It is true there is NO compulsion in religion. At the same time, religions have their own sets of rules. Islam or Dr. Naik did not say, these kids cannot get married but he said, it would NOT be accepted by Islam. Specifically, Islam allows limited inter-faith marriage between Muslims, Jews and Christians. But as an monotheistic religion, it differs with groups who add "Partners" to God.

If an Indian girl want to marry a Bangladeshi man, they have to go through some formality. If an African man want to marry a Chinese girl, they have to make some compromises (Where to live and how to raise the family, what values etc). Similarly Islam supports monotheistic ideology (Core of our faith) and those who want to remain Muslim have to agree to the concept. I know quite a few people who married Hindu partners but they are not religious. As far as I know they are living their lives nicely.

So Zakir Nail or Islam did not stop them from getting married but Islam does have some rules we have to follow. For example, just because I love India or Pakistan, I cannot walk into those countries without required papers. If someone want to practice Islam, they have to follow some rules of Islam.

Hope this will help you to understand the topic.

Shalom!


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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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I thought in Islam there is no compulsion on one's religious belief. Now I see from Zakir Naik's khutba that Islam can stand between two young persons--one Muslim and the other one Hindu--when they are in deep love with each other. Is Zakir Naik a true Islamic scholar? If Mr. Naik is right, then love has to be conditional. That is pretty pathetic. 
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