I think QAR does not know the logical definition of "hate speech."
Most Americans, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and myself, who have strongly condemned the video, "Innocence of Muslims", have found it to be disgusting and distasteful. It is disgusting because it has insulted and mocked the prophet of Islam, which serves no other purpose but making the Muslims angry.
Making someone, or even millions of people, angry or upset does not fall in the category of "hate speech." A "hate speech" would ask people to commit one or more crimes such as killing, torturing, raping, etc. The video did not ask people to commit any such crime. That is why the maker of the video could not be prosecuted under US laws just for making and showing the video. However, the allegations of dubbing to change the words without the approval of the actors, if true, would certainly allow the actors to sue the maker of the video. Of course, any other unrelated crime, such as the bank fraud case that has been in the media, could also land the suspected maker of the video into legal hot waters.
While Hillary Clinton expressed her condemnation of the video, she also said, "We do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views no matter how distasteful they may be." In fact, the US constitution does not give the government the authority to stop individual citizens from expressing their views, no matter how distasteful they may be. Thus, it would be wrong to accuse the US government of 'allowing' this video to be circulated.
Sukhamaya Bain
================================================= From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
As much as I abhor the u-tube "Filth" some people call a film. I do not think US government would murder it's own diplomat. Like all societies US has it's share of flaws but it also has some great qualities as a country. A per-world war ll insignificant country had some greatness in it to become what it is today. One of my uncles fought for the British Royal Air force during second world war and he told me stories of that war when I was a kid. He said even back then Americans were generous, friendly and loved humor lot more then the "British".
My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA.
My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA.
>>>>>>>> So far bunch of "Middle eastern" fanatic Jews and Christians are suspect behind this very "Unique" project. It is very sad that, a hate filled film(With tons of distorted information) was "Allowed" to circulate and cause so much harm all over the world. Even in the US, free speech is protected but "HATE SPEECH" is against the law. In this digital world even America has to learn to act quickly, because I felt many "Copy cats" are working in their basements with similar projects. I also hope Muslims need to realize these are NOT work of any government. Just some very suspicious groups who work to put "hate" in as many hearts it can. Therefore, it has unmistakeably ME connection but a Jewish/Christian one. (Based on what we know until now). Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
Let me explain my problem with most of your comments, they are usually 1 – 2 liners. So, usually, we have to guess what you mean. I am glad that you clarified your political bent. I believe, most people in this forum support democratic platform. That's fine with me. Political talks in this forum is meaningless. I can give hundred reasons why I support other party, but - nobody will change their mind. Then what's the point. So, let's stay away from politics. The other issue you raised is interesting. You said you are staying away from US pressure-cooker society. I am not sure what that means. As far as I know, a substantial part of your life has been spent in the USA; you received higher education here, and worked here until retirement. Now, you feel US society is a pressure-cooker, and you live outside. It will be interesting if you care to explain a bit more on this, because I also think this society is moving away from the traditional values that made this country great. I do not like what I see recently. You said that USA arranged and/or sat back while Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor, so that they can bomb Japan into Stone Age. It is apparent from your statements that – you are a contrarian, and believe in the conspiracy theories. You probably also believe 9/11 was planned by George Bush administration so they can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA. All these are a bit nutty to me, to put it mildly. Then again, what do I know about the truth? After all, human-beings are the most dangerous animals on the planet. Jiten Roy ======================================= |
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