I may not agree or like what you write, but I do find you as a good man with some interesting arguments. You have different views about many things and I respect that. I do not find any problem at all with your English as I find this forum is not restricted to only Harvard/Oxfordian English writers. In such scenario, many of us with with poorer English have to quit writing.
-SD
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
His poor grasp of English (or any language) prevented him from getting the message that we do not want any lecture on "democracy" from the likes of him or S A Hannan (a gun-runner for Islamic terrorists in BD and an ardent supporter of Genocide 1971).
>>>>>>>>> You are read many hundreds of post I have written in discussion groups. I do NOT think I ever endorsed any political parties. ALL I have said that, EVERYONE should be dealt fairly and with the SAME rule.
If evidences are credible against Jammat or any other parties, they should be punished (Common sense!). Same rule should be applied to others as well.
I am not sure what prevents some of us to grasp this very simple logic?
The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if you are against democracy or not. There are plenty of Christian and Jewish political parties and the world is not falling apart because of them. As long they are NOT violent, what is wrong with them?
We have to separate violence/torture from politics. Divorcing religion from politics will only make them more popular to the mass (As seen in Turkey and Egypt).
I think you are misunderstanding the message of my previous posts.
Shalom!
If evidences are credible against Jammat or any other parties, they should be punished (Common sense!). Same rule should be applied to others as well.
I am not sure what prevents some of us to grasp this very simple logic?
The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if you are against democracy or not. There are plenty of Christian and Jewish political parties and the world is not falling apart because of them. As long they are NOT violent, what is wrong with them?
We have to separate violence/torture from politics. Divorcing religion from politics will only make them more popular to the mass (As seen in Turkey and Egypt).
I think you are misunderstanding the message of my previous posts.
Shalom!
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 6:08 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 6:08 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
Here we go again! Q. Rahman flattering himself! How can I, or anybody, have any 'prejudice' against him? He is not my neighbor, relative or kutumb, or a poet, artist, musician, teacher, social worker, political activist or writer -- people I closely or loosely associate with in my real life. I only know him on the internet. Day after day, month after month, year after year, we are exposed his dishonesty, lack of any original thinking, and plain 'munafequi' when it comes to topics on religion.
His poor grasp of English (or any language) prevented him from getting the message that we do not want any lecture on "democracy" from the likes of him or S A Hannan (a gun-runner for Islamic terrorists in BD and an ardent supporter of Genocide 1971).
Earlier Q Rahman spoke in ridiculous, and utterly meaningless tautology that left unexplained what he meant by 'religion'. << The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.
Let us stop the EVIL of Jamaat and all other religious parties destroying our nation by spreading murder, arson, anarchy and mayhem.
STOP European style fascism in the guise of Jamaat-i-Islam!
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: qrahman@netscape.net
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:01:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
His poor grasp of English (or any language) prevented him from getting the message that we do not want any lecture on "democracy" from the likes of him or S A Hannan (a gun-runner for Islamic terrorists in BD and an ardent supporter of Genocide 1971).
Earlier Q Rahman spoke in ridiculous, and utterly meaningless tautology that left unexplained what he meant by 'religion'. << The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.
Let us stop the EVIL of Jamaat and all other religious parties destroying our nation by spreading murder, arson, anarchy and mayhem.
STOP European style fascism in the guise of Jamaat-i-Islam!
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: qrahman@netscape.net
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:01:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
Q. Rahman. the proseletyzer wants to lecture us about democracy
>>>>>>>>> When you start this way, I must be doing pretty bad job here. You are still with your prejudices intact. :-)
O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy?
>>>>>>>>>> Pretty simple if we are sincere. They "Play" by the SAME rule like every other parties and even communists. All parties and ideas should be welcomed as long NONE of them are violent in their ways. Once a party resort to violence, they should be dealt with by local laws.
Right now, pretty much all political parties are involved in corruption and violence.
As much as I disagree with BJP, they should be allowed to share their ideas and last polls suggested that, most Indians are not supporting their ideas.
We have to have a "Level playing field" for ALL parties. Problem starts when our politicians use one law for their party members and use other laws for opponents. That is NOT democracy. We have vibrant media and they are one of the most effective safeguards to uphold democracy.
Shalom!
O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy?
>>>>>>>>>> Pretty simple if we are sincere. They "Play" by the SAME rule like every other parties and even communists. All parties and ideas should be welcomed as long NONE of them are violent in their ways. Once a party resort to violence, they should be dealt with by local laws.
Right now, pretty much all political parties are involved in corruption and violence.
As much as I disagree with BJP, they should be allowed to share their ideas and last polls suggested that, most Indians are not supporting their ideas.
We have to have a "Level playing field" for ALL parties. Problem starts when our politicians use one law for their party members and use other laws for opponents. That is NOT democracy. We have vibrant media and they are one of the most effective safeguards to uphold democracy.
Shalom!
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 5:36 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 5:36 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
Q. Rahman. the proseletyzer wants to lecture us about democracy: << The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >>
O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy? Where would the 'beauty' reside? In India there is BJP flaunting the inability of Babasaheb Ambedker to stop the formation of religion-based political party from Indian Constitution due to the badmaishi of Hindu Mahasabha in 1947. Where do you see the 'beauty' in BJP politics in the functioning of current Indian democracy? How would you show us the 'beauty' in the politics of the crooks, criminals and mass-murderers among Jamaat members in Bangladesh?
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:21:51 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy? Where would the 'beauty' reside? In India there is BJP flaunting the inability of Babasaheb Ambedker to stop the formation of religion-based political party from Indian Constitution due to the badmaishi of Hindu Mahasabha in 1947. Where do you see the 'beauty' in BJP politics in the functioning of current Indian democracy? How would you show us the 'beauty' in the politics of the crooks, criminals and mass-murderers among Jamaat members in Bangladesh?
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:21:51 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
Jamat was banned before, and the preachers of scientific socialism, JSD, gave them shelter. That is the reality of politics in Bangladesh. To render a snake harmless, one should remove it's poison tooth instead of killing it.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
No sir. I did not say that. What I meant is this: asking Jamaat to strip itself off Islsmic agenda is sheer stupidity. Jamaat as its very name implies cannot go without Islam on its plate. Worse, the kind of Islam Jamaat caters is of worst kind. Once they come to power, they will a few Muslim sects illegal. They will not stop there. Just remember what Mr. Hannan believes. You will see all of them.
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2012, 4:01 PM
Jamaati politics without religious agenda is an oxymoron. The manifestos of our so called secular parties even are not free from religious agenda. For example, no law will contradict the Koran and Sunnah. This simply reflects the social reality and the existing power politics.Democracy is obviously not perfect. But in the absence of any other better alternatives, we will have to rely on the people's verdict.
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2012, 1:49 PM
Your views should influence social and political conditions in the country; that's where we need them mostly, but - I still disagree with you on the point that a country should be run by a religious group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In a "Free" and democratic country, this sort of decisions should be left unto people of those countries. As long religious or non-religious groups are not preaching violence or hate-mongering, they should be allowed to stay within politics.
In a free, moderate, democratic country people do "Evolve" in their thinking and religious (And secular) parties have "Opportunity" to evolve as well. As long they stay away from violence, we should embrace all people. If any of them can gain trust of mainstream population, they should be offered a chance to rule.
The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community.
Shalom!
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:01 pm
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
From: SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat [1 Attachment]
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 10, 2012, 1:18 AM
Respected brother Jiten sb,Best regards. I do not want to pursue the matter. Let us agreem to differ.I explain only one point.Dhimmi is a term used to denote protected minorities in conquered territory of Muslims .All modern Muslim states have been achieved by joint efforts of Muslims and non- Muslims against colonial masters. So there will be no Zimmi now ) Please read Rasail wa Masail by Syed Abul Ala Maududi) .There was no Zimmi in Madinan state established by Prophet as it was not conquered territory)Please see the attached article where there is discussion on Zimmi.Shah Abdul Hannan
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:14 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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