"Israeli stubbornness has distorted secular politics in the region. Secular group is losing popularity at the cost of gaining popularity by the Islamist group."
The question is how did Indian secular politics distort the secular politics in the Indian subcontinent? How come most Pakistanis and Bangladeshis would love to see Islam being the guiding principle of their two societies as if something is going to be lost if they adopt a true secular constitution and tradition? So, the Israeli argument is pretty much bogus as far as I can see. Israel has no choice but to be tough with its existence. They are surrounded by hostile neighbors, who want to finish them if they could at anytime. Just ask any of your Muslim friend! The mentality has not changed since 1940's and that has left Israel no choice but to be an ass-kicking monster. Like or not, that is the only way they can survive as a state. If they become secular and the other party would like to overwhelm the Jewish state with Arabian Muslim demography, the country would cease to exist in few years time. Why do you think that would be good for them?
-SD
PS. Muslims should think whether secularism is any good for them? It should not be conditional to how Israel and US, China, Russia and India have been treating them in their turfs. It bounds to be pretty much reciprocal. If Islamic countries want to be more Islamic, the others will treat their Islamic minorities with suspicion and distrust. It need two for Tango!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:54 AM
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The question is how did Indian secular politics distort the secular politics in the Indian subcontinent? How come most Pakistanis and Bangladeshis would love to see Islam being the guiding principle of their two societies as if something is going to be lost if they adopt a true secular constitution and tradition? So, the Israeli argument is pretty much bogus as far as I can see. Israel has no choice but to be tough with its existence. They are surrounded by hostile neighbors, who want to finish them if they could at anytime. Just ask any of your Muslim friend! The mentality has not changed since 1940's and that has left Israel no choice but to be an ass-kicking monster. Like or not, that is the only way they can survive as a state. If they become secular and the other party would like to overwhelm the Jewish state with Arabian Muslim demography, the country would cease to exist in few years time. Why do you think that would be good for them?
-SD
PS. Muslims should think whether secularism is any good for them? It should not be conditional to how Israel and US, China, Russia and India have been treating them in their turfs. It bounds to be pretty much reciprocal. If Islamic countries want to be more Islamic, the others will treat their Islamic minorities with suspicion and distrust. It need two for Tango!
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Israel and Hamas agree to Gaza cease-fire
Loss of life and property on the Gaza side was far more than that on the Israeli side. But there has been a positive outcome: Israel has agreed to relax blockade. Both sides have also agreed to continue talks to minimize blockade. Hopefully Israel will honor the ceasefire agreement and thereby help in bringing peace in the region. Despite constructive American efforts, Israel has never been very sincere. Israeli stubbornness has distorted secular politics in the region. Secular group is losing popularity at the cost of gaining popularity by the Islamist group. Believe it or not there is a strong movement among the Palestinians to be a part of a secular and democratic Israel.
Our comments on the Palestinian issue sometimes reflect our ignorance about actually what has been and still is going on in that region.
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Many observers mentioned that, this "Showdown" was a trick by sitting Israeli PM to show strength right before the upcoming election in Israel. He wanted to send young Israeli men to Gaza which could have caused more lives from both sides.
The last adventure in Lebanon did not go as planned and the saw resistance in the north was much more structured than they expected. The old days of playing cowboy and Indian are pretty much over. They don't have as many friendly dictators to cover for Israeli adventures like before. The democratic leadership in the Arab world are more aware of aspirations of "Native population".
ALSO the rockets by Hamas was landing on civilian population and I don't want to see than either.
This ceasefire is a fragile one but I hope it will give people time to calm down and take stock. This ugly practice of sacrificing innocent civilians from both sides will not help going forward.
I hope Egyptian administration will bring much needed stability to the neighborhood and encourage Israel to end the savage occupation. Allow people of Gaza go back to "Normal" life (That we take for granted). A community of native Jews lived with local Muslims and Christians for many centuries. The "Settlers" are the one who messed up the whole picture. Both sides needs to make some sacrifices for the sake of peace. Our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made huge sacrifices during his treaty at Hudaibiya and ended up solving many problems for the locals.
Wishing well for all of humanity.
Shalom!
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