I asked you to connect Durga/Kali with Anahita(If you ever heard her name). Your are not a person who deserves my personal attack. Like you, I don't have a faith, let alone be blinded by it. As I understand, Ram/Ravana epic is not even Indian in origin. "Starting from Upanishad to other scriptures were written by those Outsiders" - Really? What an invention! Most of the Vedas is said to have been written by Agastya, most Puranas by Vyasdeva, and Upanishads had been written over a long period of time, roughly over a thousand years starting from eighth century before the common era. Agastya and Vyas were definitely dark skinned. Contribution by the "invading Aryans" in Hindu literature is really negligible. Most deities of Indian religions that go by the name of Hinduism are dark skinned. I wish you had the eyes to see them. Your observations are almost always superficial. To find out why Christians pray on Sunday, read the ancient history of Rome. Didn't your prophet also observe Saturday as the day of congregation till he changed his direction of prayer?
I don't mean to offend you, but you are one of those who don't comprehend enough to be a discussant of what I post here.
Member Das,
Not going answer your "Personal attacks" here. I think readers should judge me based on what I say here.
Just a clarification on my "Durga" comment. I am not calling her "A white skinned lady" but here we see a goddess who appeared "White" and the bad guy is of course is a "Dark skinned" Raban (AKA Ravana). I am NOT criticizing your faith, simply sharing an observation here.
Similarly if you look at most Hindi or Bangla movies from last 50 years, you will see the same TREND here. The "Good guy" is someone who does not look like an average Indian or Bengali but he is the hero!!
The point of this sharing is the native population have been "INVADED" many thousand years ago. Staring from Upanishad to other scriptures were written by those "Outsiders". Most of the gods and goddesses are also look more like someone from Afghanistan or Iran than someone from Bihar. For many hundred years, this evolved into what we call "Indian tradition".
You will observe similar things with Christianity as well. Since what we know as "Modern Christianity" is mostly influenced by Paul. Most of the NT verses were Paul's observation rather that what Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) said to his followers. If anyone is curious, there is an edition of Bible call "Red letter Bible" where commands from Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) . You will discover how many outsiders gotten into the narrative. Also if you watch most movies on Jesus son of Mary (PBUH), you will see an European man than a Jew from Palestine. In reality, Jesus looked more like the average native Palestinian than a Nordic man from Sweden. But this is how it was influenced by local cultures. As per Bible Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) prayed on Saturdays but his "Followers" pray on Sundays!!
So most Christian think of Jesus as an European man.
Similarly Hindus religious figures also have a look that is NOT native Indian!!
and don't see Kali as black.
>>>>>>>>> Very good question!
Yes I do. She is not exactly presented as "Showing lot of love" to people. She comes with Ma Kali wears a garland of skulls and a skirt of dismembered arms. She holds a sword and a freshly severed head dripping blood. NOT exactly a "Selling point" about goodness in Hinduism.
Again this is my OBSERVATION only as an "Outsider".
No matter how much word playing one does, you cannot escape the racist mentality in our sub-continent. Albeit Islam teaches us to be color blind but many Muslims are not. They are more influenced by local culture than religion. Even Arabs are not free from it either.
That is the reason I always speak about the Qur'an and last prophet Muhammad (PBUH), when we discuss about Islam.
Anyway, take it easy.
Shalom!
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:39 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate
Mr. Rahman
You took course in a University on the subject of Aryans! Read
Koenraad Elst on the subject, he sure is not an 'ignorant Hindutva'
badi as you think. Fact remains that you read nothing of any
significance on anything, and understood even less. You see Durga as
white skinned lady, and don't see Kali as black. Can you connect
these ladies with Anahita?
Don't ever pretend the knowledge you don't have.
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