Re: [mukto-mona] Minority Persecution: video

Let me say a few words on the issue of second class citizenship in a theocratic or semi theocratic state. The humanity had to pay huge price before it realized that "separation of church and the state" should be the basic principle of a modern state. A religious state discriminates against religious minorities and women. Islamic Republic of Pakistan is an example. I still remember from 10th grade Civics that no nonMuslim can become the president of the country. I believe it is still valid. Muslim Brotherhood will not let a woman to become the head of the state. Before the last election of the president, the chief of Islamic Oikyo Jote (an ally of AL) clearly said that he did not approve nomination of a woman for president. 

Almost in every issue you bring Islam. That is fine admittedly annoying and boring though given the topics we discuss here. But you seem to make Islam the complete code of life including political one. Here lies the potential danger. Islam teaches great values no doubt, but don't let it be a tool in the hands of the Islamists. Islam is absolutely in no danger under the original 1972 constitution. Also there is no reason to believe that AL is less religious than it's opponents. 

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On Jun 17, 2013, at 6:46 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

brother lately you are being driven more with emotion than logic. Which is unlike your general self.

I have made some suggestions with the best of intention. I intellectually disagree with current course. However I am well aware that, I am not the one who will chart the course to address the issue. It has to be leaders from minority communities with a long term perspective for well being of their community and Bangladesh as well.

The Unity council consistantly tries to project Bangladesh as a heaven for Islamists and I strongly disagree with that narrative. It is counter productive and hurting OUR country. In the long run the Muslims of Bangladesh have to get involved in local levels and that will be the best protection. As history proven that, our politicians are more concern with their election over security of any community. So we the people have to unite for such noble causes. However when Islam is vilified, it is difficult for most Muslims to take part.

We are NOT fanatic but we are religious people. Recent election shown us religion has a role to play in our lives (From all communities) and any attempt to divorce religion from our lives will not be successful.

I only shared my ideas, do not need to get upset over it. Like you I also like see end of any injustice on anyone in our land.


10. Your duty is to protect the minority population by giving them a second class citizen status. Isn't it?

>>>>>>> No. I only want to offer them more secured and peaceful lives.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Minority Persecution: video

 

1. I am not sure if Guha is linked to the government. Is he really acting as an agent of the government? Even if he is, why are you trying to shut his mouth?

2. By saying the need to protect people of all religious backgrounds, you are resorting to a dangerous generalization. Looks like to you human rights activities specific to children, women, Hindus, etc. are superfluous. This is called intellectual dishonesty.

3. Even living in America (?) you are trying to be over patriotic. Looks like it is OK for you to accept criticism of American policies and actions by Americans, but you are not ready to tolerate Bangladeshi policies and actions to be criticized and protested by Bangladeshis. This is called double standard. With a great passion you listen to the news on the persecution of the Rohingya, but never advised them to go to the Myanmar government for the solution as they must not do any thing that will tarnish the image of the country. This is another example of your double standard.

4. Are you sure that D.C. rallies criticize Islam? As I know they criticize fanatic and Jihadi Islamists.

5. Foreign agencies do not have police. True. But they have money and power. This is not unknown to you. Don't pretend that the third world countries to not yield to foreign influence. Outside pressure works well sometimes. You should be aware of lobbyists being hired by Jamat-BNP group. It should not be unknown to you that some foreign governments and agencies have been trying to intervene in the trial of the collaborators. Have you said any thing against them?  

6. You are pretending that you have enough trust in the Home ministry. Thanks for being a truly a democratic and patriotic citizen.

7. You should be more specific about who are trying to "kick" Islam. 

8. This is a problem with the dishonest intellectuals who believe that people like Dr. Mizanur Rahman have to be ignored as whatever they say is a part of a political game. 

9. I have been noticing that: you have been sharing "authentic" Islamic values. I hope you have been doing this in forums run by fanatic and fundamentalist Islamic groups aslo.

10. Your duty is to protect the minority population by giving them a second class citizen status. Isn't it?

  

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Minority Persecution: video

 

We have our attitude problems also. When Mr. Guha tells us the stories on minority persecution in Bangladesh, we have our cold reaction: Why are you saying this here! Go and tell the government. Pretty nice way to shirk the responsibility!

>>>>>>>>>>>> With all due respect, it became a habit of you to assume the worst in others. Nope, I said it to member Guha because he is well linked with government. Unless there is pressure to protect weak and vulnerable people in our community (Of all religious background), we cannot get there. When they go for rally and demonstration in D.C, we criticize them.>>>>>>>> Nope you criticize your own country over there. You criticize our opponent party for it. You criticize (Wrongly) Islam for it. I have been saying it here, it is utter irresponsible to play politics with the lives of these people. The idiots who come up with such ideas should take some responsibilities for it. It was fitting to criticize BNP after election of 2001, I supported it and even did my part to get fund to fix three worst affected villages in southern Bangladesh. These are national issues and minorities, old people, orphans are OUR common responsibility. But sadly an important issue like protection of minority has been nothing more than political football.  When they petition to various foreign governments and international agencies, we accuse them of tarnishing the image of the country.>>>>>>>>> Because foreign agencies don't have police, army etc at their deposition. Our elected government does. People should be talking to home ministry. This happens during election cycles and stop be stopped as a national priority. Those sick people who want to "Kick Islam" as an excuse should NOT play this dangerous game. Those who are suffering often are very good people who want nothing more than some peace and security. When Dr. Mizanur Rahman looks at the historical trend and cautions us that if the trend continues, Hindu population in Bangladesh will be reduced to zero in twenty years, we accuse him of the guilt of exaggeration and instigating a communal discord in Bangladesh. >>>>>>>> I have to read this one but he has not done enough for minorities other than making statements. He took a stand for Limon but let poor Biswajit wash away from us. Guess politics played a part again. The bottom line is that directing Guha to approach the government is not enough>>>>>>>>> The spirit of it may be right but the strategy is wrong and may bite back. We all have to be proactive and create pressure on the position and opposition through various channels. Vulnerable areas in the country have to be under constant watch>>>>>>>>>>> Only pressure will not work. One of things I have done is to share authentic Islamic values. As per Islam, it is out duty as a majority population to protect minority population. When Ramu happened we saw local population risked their own lives (In many places) to protect minority population. Once local population are aware, it will be difficult for political musclemen to attack anyone. Perpetrators have to be brought to justice which seems to totally absent in Bangladesh.

>>>>>>> Agree. Once you start punishing criminals, the culture of impunity will be gone and the culture of responsibility will grow. From violence to corruption it is rare to see anyone was held accountable for their actions. Shalom!-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 7:02 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Minority Persecution: video

 

The government alone cannot do much. Sometimes the government will do nothing, rather it will engage in mayhem as BNP did in 2001(?). The current government has been pressured by different agencies. I don't think it has been fully effective. In the face of the destructive actions by the opposition parties in the very capital city the government seems to be helpless. How can it then protect the religious minority interests in rural areas when the social miscreants, communalist forces and religious fanatics engage in vandalism?

 

We have our attitude problems also. When Mr. Guha tells us the stories on minority persecution in Bangladesh, we have our cold reaction: Why are you saying this here! Go and tell the government. Pretty nice way to shirk the responsibility! When they go for rally and demonstration in D.C, we criticize them. When they petition to various foreign governments and international agencies, we accuse them of tarnishing the image of the country. When Dr. Mizanur Rahman looks at the historical trend and cautions us that if the trend continues, Hindu population in Bangladesh will be reduced to zero in twenty years, we accuse him of the guilt of exaggeration and instigating a communal discord in Bangladesh.