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Monday, September 2, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time



"As per Islam, it is illegal to visit erotic dancer. It is immoral to spend that kind of money while so many hungry people around us all over the world."
-----Do you realize that you are speaking on behalf of all religions, all moralists, and even all socio-economic systems that want to give a woman dignified position in the society. The restriction is not exclusively Islamic.
 
"The Qurán is the ONLY religious book that says, Marry only one (If you cannot deal with more than one wife FAIRLY)."
-----Look at the condition "if you cannot deal with more than one wife FAIRLY)". Why do you think the prince who spent $13 million in one night for a dancer (his woman for the night) cannot deal with more than one wife fairly? A more progressive view should be not to allow a man to have more than one wife. The "if" clause has to be dropped. If a man can have multiple wives and women, a woman should be allowed to have multiple husbands and men.
 
As the society is progressing, all religions are found to be interpreted as allowing a man only one wife and a woman only one husband. Even in ancient India this used to be emphasized on. 
 
If you refer to the Koran or Islam on every issue, you simply make things more misleading as the half-educated and illiterate mollahs will advocate for the dogmatic views of a religious book. And this will make transition to one man-one woman union very difficult as basically no religion has accepted this as a strict principle.  
 
 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time
 
Is it illegal in the U. K to go to a night club and pay huge tips to an erotic dancer?

>>>>>>>> As per Islam, it is illigal to visit erotic dancer. It is immoral to spend that kind of money while so many hungry people around us all over the world. How is it tribal culture? Probably this prince has multiple wives and by marrying several women he has not done any thing irreligious>>>>>>>>>>>>> good question. As I said, Islamic values does not always agree with Arab tribal values. If and when a man takes more than one wife (Very rare) there are strict code of conduct about treating them fairly. It is so important that, Qurán says if you cannot be fair than marry only ONE woman. The Qurán is the ONLY religious book that says, Marry only one (If you cannot deal with more than one wife FAIRLY). I am simply trying to provoke your thought Mr. Rahman. >>>>>>>> You did that sir and I replied. :-)Shalom!
-----Original Message-----From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:10 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time
 
Is it illegal in the U. K to go to a night club and pay huge tips to an erotic dancer? How is it tribal culture? Probably this prince has multiple wives and by marrying several women he has not done any thing irreligious. Who knows maybe he treats his women including his wives the best way. He was so kind, overwhelmed, and grateful to the dancer (his woman for the night) that he treated her in the best possible way he could think of. 

I am simply trying to provoke your thought Mr. Rahman. Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:30 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
A good news indeed. "Up to a one year in prison" can be too light a punishment for a serious crime. Maximum fine of $13,300 is no problem for the Sheikhs. Watch the unbelievable video below in which a Saudi prince is pouring $13 million on the head of a female dancer. Putting of cash by the prince inside the bras is also not less interesting. Also watch how busy people around him are. It is really a solid example of feudal whim in this modern world. 

>>>>>>>> These princes do stay above the law in most cases. So I think it is a good start and they should continue to come close to "Real Islamic values" than their tribal culture. We know REAL men do not abuse their women. This is what prophet Muhammad said......
The most perfect of the believers in faith are the best of them in morals.  And the best among them are those who are best to their wives.[ Source: Narrated in MosnadAhmad, #7354, and Al-Tirmizi, #1162 ]
 Shalom!
-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:16 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time
A good news indeed. "Up to a one year in prison" can be too light a punishment for a serious crime. Maximum fine of $13,300 is no problem for the Sheikhs. Watch the unbelievable video below in which a Saudi prince is pouring $13 million on the head of a female dancer. Putting of cash by the prince inside the bras is also not less interesting. Also watch how busy people around him are. It is really a solid example of feudal whim in this modern world.  

From: SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:11 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time
 

Saudi Arabia Passes Domestic Abuse Ban For First Time

[Watch the video in the above link]
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In a historic move, Saudi Arabia banned domestic abuse this week, outlawing any form of abuse at home or in the workplace.
The Council of Ministers' approval of the law Monday marks the first time the country has officially recognized domestic violence as a punishable crime. Offenders may face up to a year in prison and a maximum fine of 50,000 Saudi riyal (about $13,300), the Saudi Gazette reports.
The law will also provide shelter for victims of abuse and ensure the identities of those who report it are kept confidential.
"This is a good law that serves major segments of the society in the kingdom, including women, children, domestic workers and non-domestic workers," Khaled al-Fakher, secretary general of the government-funded National Society for Human Rights, told Reuters.
Though domestic abuse typically has been an issue that is kept behind closed doors in the Islamic country, an anti-abuse campaign -- the country's first -- launched earlierthis year, urging Saudis to report cases of violence. Backed by the King Khalid Charitable Foundation, the ad featured a veiled woman with a black eye, along with the slogan "Some things can't be covered. Fighting women's abuse together."
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While passage of the domestic abuse ban represents a significant step forward for women's rights in Saudi Arabia, activists have pointed to a potential problem: implementation.
Speaking to BBC News, Suad Abu-Dayyeh of anti-violence group Equality Nowrecommended training programs for law enforcement officers and court officials. She also warned that the country's male guardianship system, which requires all women have a male guardian, could be an impediment.
In the past, international advocacy group Human Rights Watch has taken issue with the kingdom's guardianship policy and sex segregation.
"The Saudi government sacrifices basic human rights to maintain male control over women," Farida Deif, an HRW women's rights researcher for the Middle East, said in a statement. "Saudi women won't make any progress until the government ends the abuses that stem from these misguided policies."
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