Re: [mukto-mona] Leninism is no Marxism

Mr. Q. Rahman has drawn an illogical analogy by bringing the issue of rejection of Urdu by the Bengalis. His position with respect to Bengali nationalism is geared towards Pakistan time mentality. In one post he said that Rabindranath's Kabuliwala was a scheme to portray a Muslim as a murderer. 

As far as I know Steve Jobs converted to Buddhism and for that reason he visited India. His conversion to Buddhism may be due to immense hatred he had for the man who had fathered and then abandoned him. 

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On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

"Your forefathers (During 1951) refused to assimilate to the language of the federal government (Urdu) and give up their language (Bangla), so why the double standard?" This is a stupid Paki argument.

"Did you know that Mr. Job comes from Arabic heritage?"- His Arabian Dad disowned him after birth, so his mother got married elsewhere and Jobs was the title of the man she married.  Typical Muslim(Arabian) attitude--"Screw the woman and forget the offspring".  Steve did not allow his biological father to contact him after he became famous.

(Low IQ is a requirement of the tea-party club!!) -An intelligent observation indeed.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Many recent immigrants prefer to use their own language, and, therefore, mix with their own community only; many of them do not even bother to learn English. They are the new backward class.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your forefathers (During 1951) refused to assimilate to the language of the federal government (Urdu) and give up their language (Bangla), so why the double standard?

Now, about 100 million people receive food stamp; people even hide their actual income to seek food stamp. It's not a taboo any longer. This explains the lower standard of living.

>>>>>>>>>>>> So "Multi-cultarism" caused this?

Tea-Party mentality means smaller government mentality; I support that.

>>>>>>>>>> Nope. It means whole lot more than that. An intolerant bunch of people who wanted to hijack the US government to get their ways. No different than a thug. Unfortunately they are not smart enough to understand (Low IQ is a requirement of the tea-party club!!) that, even such stunt can bring down US government credit rating and ultimately cost billions to US tax payers. If they pull the same stunt again ( Shut down of the US government or defaulting on credit) in next three months, it will do more harm than what Bin Laden (Or his buddies) could do in 100 years!

These tea baggers happens to be very supportive of all US lead wars. When it comes to war they forget to speak about saving tax payer money. Only speak out when it comes to social services or education (Some moronic leaders of tea party want to shut down US department of education).

So maybe you need to learn more about this movement before you pledge to this group of morons.

What that has to do with identity crisis.

>>>>>>>> Like Rush Limbaugh fan club most members are white. They cannot make it while only (Like the old days) because it is illegal.

Steve Jobs, the founder of the Apple Empire? He was dirt poor in his early life;

>>>>>>> You are right. Did you know that Mr. Job comes from Arabic heritage?

Bill Gates did not start from a rich background either.

>>>>>>> Wrong. Bill's dad was rich and highly educated.

These people show how – anybody can think rich and be rich; it has nothing to do with identity.

>>>>>>>> Actually Barrack Obama captures the "American way" more than most well known Americans. Here is a black man (Actually he is bi-racial) who barely knew his biological father eventually became the first non-white American president. This can happen ONLY in America (With a middle name "Hossain").

Americans made huge progress (Still have racial issues but made progress) in racial equity. It also has two Indian American governors (Both in deep south).


I am glad you are proud of being American but it seems you tend to speak (And join groups) about topics without knowing much about them. One does not have to be American like you to explain America. Most Americans are unaware of the rest of their vast country. A man from Idaho does not know much about culture of New York. A foreign student who lived in New York city probably know more about NYC than most Americans. Then comes the sub-culture of each region and social norms. Which varies from place to place.

The NRA supporting Americans have very different world view (Similar to tea party folks) than rest of civilized Americans.

Shalom!

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2013 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Leninism is no Marxism

 

"that society is now the envy of the rest of the world." - it was probably so about five decades ago.  Presently, in the quality of public life index, the Americans are not in the top ten list. – K. Das

Do you know how American society got deteriorated so such? Recent immigrants have rejected the American melting-pot idealism; they want to keep their own culture and identity. Many recent immigrants prefer to use their own language, and, therefore, mix with their own community only; many of them do not even bother to learn English. They are the new backward class.

 

Multiculturalism has changed the social psyche. Millions of people now believe they deserve government benefits; this was not the case a few decades ago. People used to feel ashamed to accept any government help. Very few would accept food stamps. Now, about 100 million people receive food stamp; people even hide their actual income to seek food stamp. It's not a taboo any longer. This explains the lower standard of living.

 

"And lastly, if you have no problem with tea party mentality, you are suffering from severe identity crisis.  You have come to that land hundreds of years after that incident. " – K. Das

 

I do not know what identity crisis has to do with Tea-Party mentality. Tea-Party mentality means smaller government mentality; I support that. That's all. What that has to do with identity crisis.

 

What is one's identity, anyway? Are you trying to say – someone coming from a poor country should not have American dreams? Have you heard the story of Steve Jobs, the founder of the Apple Empire? He was dirt poor in his early life; Bill Gates did not start from a rich background either. These people show how – anybody can think rich and be rich; it has nothing to do with identity. 

 

You must be suffering from the depressive Marxist mentality?

 

 

Jiten Roy

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:07 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

"If you think this change will install full-fledged Marxist Socialism in the Industrial Societies, you could be wrong." - I have never thought so, or preached it.  Marxist Socialism never was implemented in any country.  Some Orwellian pigs came to power preaching it and could not sustain in it lacking popular participation.

"that society is now the envy of the rest of the world." - it was probably so about five decades ago.  Presently, in the quality of public life index, the Americans are not in the top ten list.

And lastly, if you have no problem with tea party mentality, you are suffering from severe identity crisis.  You have come to that land hundreds of years after that incident.  Though that incident occurred to demand reservation in the British Parliament, the ultra right of the Republicans are antidemocratic in every bit of their action and, lacking foresight, actually digging their own grave.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Dr. Das,

Of course I can see some socialist principles are creeping into the Industrial Societies. As I told before - society needs to balance these two extreme systems. If you think this change will install full-fledged Marxist Socialism in the Industrial Societies, you could be wrong. Don't forget so quickly, Capitalism is also creeping into the Socialist Russian and Chinese societies.

 
Yes, thousands of lives were lost in the American Civil War to build a greater American Society, and that society is now the envy of the rest of the world. So, the lives lost in American Civil war is not in vein, unlike the lives lost for installing the Socialism around the world, which ultimately crumbled on it's own weight.

The Tea-Party mentality is needed to maintain the check & balance between the Capitalist and Marxist systems. So, I have no problem with it.

Thanks.