ALL I asked is to be able to punish criminals who attack innocent civilians all over the country (In some cases our minority population). I was under the idea that, despite our political views we could united for a good cause (Which is to punish criminals who attack innocent civilians).
IF BAL steps up in doing that, I will welcome such a step. If other parties decide to punish criminals, I would welcome that as well.
Your whole post was about economy (Which was NOT the subject I was discussing). My post was showing my disappointment to punish criminals who attack innocent people.
So we are talking about apples AND oranges here!!
I agree that, BAL has done good job in some areas and maybe our people will vote according to their judgement in future.
It is NOT important to me which political party do you support. I would like it very much if we can unite in common causes (protection of innocent civilians, humanitarian causes etc).
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Recent attacks on minorities in Pabna
Please read 2007, instead of 2011 in this statement: The economy was on the verge of collapse, which brought 2011 military backed Fakruddin-Moin caretaker government.
Yes, it is not right to compare just number of days of Hortal in 2007 with that of 2013 without mentioning the economic and political environments in these periods. As you know, BNP/Jamat unbleached a reign of terror right after their election victory in 2001. Was that revenge binge necessary after election victory? Not at all; it was utter political stupidity. But, that the political brains behind BNP/Jamat. What do I know? That reign of terror was against country's religious minorities and Awami Leaguers. Also, BNP/Jamat initiated a culture of loot for political cadres. For the first time, Jamat initiated party economic self-reliance programs through Nizami-Sayedi-Saka gong using government initiatives, which is still funding their political activities and campaigns today. The economy was on the verge of collapse, which brought 2011 military backed Fakruddin-Moin caretaker government.
Read the other side of the story in the same daily. Given the past conspiracies and activities of BNP-Jamaat alliance, this story seems to be more believable.
It is not important what story appeals to us at personal level. As long their are solid evidences of criminal activities, those people have to be punished. It is as simple as that. By punishing the criminals we can stop future criminals and ensure safety for old folks, minorities and kids.
It simply makes me sick when we attach political preferences to such tragic events. Rule of law has to be above politics, otherwise you may take part in telling others about BNP, Jamat or communist party (Or whatever) to play politics but your act will do NOTHING to ensure safety of the victims.
I can tell you certain human right experts will stay quiet (to position them in politics) about Pabna and speak up in selective events. Have you heard anything about Biswajit (The poor talilor) murder? I doubt it.
To some heartless people, lives of people is "Part of the game" and humanity means very little to them.
Shalom!
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:51 pm
Subject: [mukto-mona] Recent attacks on minorities in Pabna
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Recent attacks on minorities in Pabna
Personally I look at crime and criminals. Criminals (As long their are evidence against them) have to be punished. So the culture of impunity will depart from our communities. Political party (In most cases) are more interested into blaming their opponents than punishing criminals.
Shalom!
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Monday, November 11, 2013
Re: [mukto-mona] Recent attacks on minorities in Pabna
Member Roy,
-----Original Message-----
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:44 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
"So why Bangladesh is now lumbered with as an LDC? Why now you get calls for strike for two to three days every week? How a party came to power in 2008 after calling for 105 days of strike in 2007? My answer to all these questions is democracy."
It is a wonder that Bangladesh is advancing in spite of political turmoil; in fact, it is advancing faster than India. You don't need to dig through the economic data to prove that; you just have to look at the exchange rate. This message needs attention and need to be plugged into the equation as well. How that much progress is possible under the political typhoon, created by BNP/Jamat, is the real difference between 2007 and 2013. Just think about what could have been the progress rate if there were no Hortal and strike.
As you know, BNP/Jamat started their government destabilization movement in 2001, right after the election verdict in 2008, yet Awami League government kept moving the country forward. I am praising Awami League because they deserve, and that's the truth behind my support for this party. My support will always be for the party which will do good works for the people of Bangladesh.
Now you contrast that condition to the current condition of the economy. Economy is vibrant in spite of all political obstacles. Why can't we give credit where credit is due? Are we all that much politically biased? So, I see a gulf of difference between political turmoil in 2007 and 2013.
Let's think about – the situation why we have been witnessing so much political violence on the street. BNP do not trust Awami League to hold free and fair election, when we see they have been winning in most of the local elections. Is it a valid fear? In my view, it is quite unfounded fear; in reality, this is the only political asset they have left against the current government that has done wonders in the country's economy.
Then, why do so many people still keep supporting an opposition party that has no credibility, and nothing to show for as their political achievements, except a baseless fear is beyond my understanding? Why would you replace a government that has tangible achievements in front of you with something else that has nothing to show for? That's what I call the stupidity of the people of Bangladesh.
Don't think - I like Awami League all that much; I don't. This is because - they have not been forthcoming in protecting country's religious minorities. In fact, they have been playing games with the lives and properties of the religious minorities. But, I do not have a better alternative at this point. Moreover, I stand for the truth.
Jiten Roy
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:27 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> your biased response is the problem of our country. Personally I am dead against all criminals (regardless of their political color). You are less accepting of a story if the crime was done by member of your favorite political party.
-----Original Message-----
Read the other side of the story in the same daily. Given the past conspiracies and activities of BNP-Jamaat alliance, this story seems to be more believable. Same thing happened in Ramu. BNP-Jamaat connection is a dangerous connection for the nation.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
The problem get complicated when certain human rights group "Selects" when to protest in such sad incidents. If it is done by their favorite political party, they look the other way. If there are allegation against a party they do not support, they start giving press conferences and start walking up to certain embassies. I really feel very sad for the victims. Not only our political process disappoint them, they are dropped by the very people who claim to represent them (Simply for gaining political points).
-----Original Message----- From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 8, 2013 4:35 pm Subject: [mukto-mona] Recent attacks on minorities in Pabna
It looks like AL had orchestrated the recent attack on minorities in Pabna to put blame on BNP. This is the most heinous crime - playing politics with the lives of innocent people! I condemn it in the strongest possible terms. Yes, BNP used to attack monorities on sheer vengence and money grabing purposes. But AL, who had done admirable things previously to maintain good relations between the communities, now resorting to this sort of treacherous thing is beyond belief. Please see the article below.
Some of you may think I am propagating this message on behalf of BNP. I am not, I am NOT. I think out of the two evils in Bangladesh, BNP is still the despicable party, because it is in collusion with Jamaat. I want to see the end of Jamaat.
- Anis Rahman
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