He is a freedom fighter! He must be right, I suppose?
-SD
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:00 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Pannah, the Mustijoddha, likes them all, e.g., Mujib, Zia etc. He also has called Tetul Hujur his spiritual father.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
All these Khakis are the same. They will kill anybody without blinking and then, they try to become saints and call for a quick referendum to become lifelong president of their banana republics. Zia was not an exception. Working harder does wipe out the criminality or sins. Any decent leader could have done the job for Bangladesh. I just can't stand the murderer.
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:57 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Praising is not appropriate. Critiquing should be the most appropriate thing to do.2. I have no personal grudge against Zia. I critique him from my political and ideological perspective. In the past I have appreciated him on some personal behavior. I don't think any one has yet blamed him for personal corruption. Zia family corruption started after his death. His personal integrity also cannot be questioned. He was a hard working president. He used to work till late hours in the morning and walked miles after miles in the rural Bangladesh. But these are not the only things a nation expects from a leader.3. He captured and consolidated power at the cost of valuable lives of our national heroes. He betrayed the constitution and gave it an Islamic color. Instead of giving power back to the people's representatives he corrupted the political system to his personal interest. He reinstated the known anti liberation forces.
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Dear Readers,1. As I mentioned previously that we need to praise our national leaders for their contributions to Bangladesh before criticizing them.2. To me, we should never forget the contributions of Sk. Mujibur Rahman (the Father-of-our-Nation).3. To me, we should neither forget the contributions of Gen. Ziaur Rahman (Hero-of-our-Nation).4. Human being are not angels at all - they naturally make couple of mistakes in their life time.5. Even if Sk. Mujib and Gen. Zia did any mistake, but I am still grateful to both of them.With best regards,
Muktijoddha Dr. Emarat Hossain Pannah (USA)
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Telling the truth is difficult with people. Collectively we often criticize Ziaur Rahman and some of them are valid. Still I feel he made many positive contributions as well. Why are we shy to speak that truth? Those who lived in Bangladesh know the challenges we faced and how Zia stabilized the country. Like many of you, I wished he made different choices in some cases but it is not fair to go after everything he did. Specifically when certain sub-human question his contribution as a leader of our war of independence.
I have known many Mukti-Joddhas who abhors many positions Zia taken as a leader of this country but I am yet to find a genuine freedom fighter who denied his leadership and courage during 1971.
It is a damn shame that, we live in a free country but do not show respect to a leader who was one of the top leaders of that war.
I feel free thinkers should really be free from baggage of politics when we discuss history.
Shalom!
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Sent: Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:34 pm
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Judicious responses to my following post might have, I am afraid, left an impression in the minds of the respectable free thinkers that I am a great fan of Zia, which I am absolutely not as should be evident from my earlier posts on Zia. I have used the word "undid" to summarize all the notorious things he did. He undid our basic constitutional principles. He undid the very political system based on which the country could have moved forward the democratic movement towards perfection. He has made every thing almost a mission possible and we are now in a total mess.
I have used the word "pragmatism" in a narrow sense--it was a pragmatism exclusively from the perspective of Zia and his perpetuating the power.
Yes, every ruler has made "adjustment" and is still making "adjustment" with the foreign interests. It is the power politics. They will compromise at the costs of national pride and freedom and sta y in power. We wish our rulers would not give in and work independently. The solution is not very realistic as our leaders would not risk losing power. This makes us as a nation unfortunate. And we know we are not alone.
Again I insist that we do not need a foreign ruler to take care of our business. I am conscious that it will not happen in one day. Our leaders should have greater reliance on people and that should be the source of their strength.
Sent from my iPhoneThe Zia example does not prove that he was a man of low self esteem. The opposite was true. With his high self esteem and iron rule he did and undid things to his people and the political system of Bangladesh which nobody else could do. He would have never welcomed physically a foreign agent to supervise his job as the head of the country and the head of the state. This is true for any ruler Bangladesh has ever seen.
It is possible that under Saudi request Zia stopped deploying female police on the street. Now as nation heavily dependent on foreign aid and earnings, Zia simply took a pragmatic decision. And this is typical of any ruler we have seen so far. It has nothing to do with the self esteem of a particular leader.
I was referring to those intellectuals who believe from heart that the people of Bangladesh are not capable of running their own show and hence they need a foreign ruler.
Sent from my iPhoneMr. Chakrabarty is not aware that much of the administrative decisions
are apparently not homegrown. Not long ago, it came from Pindi; now
it comes from Delhi. A lot comes also from New York, Peking and
Washington. During the tenure of Zia-ur-Rahman, Female Police were
not allowed on the street by an order from Saudi Arabia.
Before SC measures the self esteem of someone else, he should do it to his own.
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