Nothing is more blasphemous and moronic to think that a passionate and almighty God sent his best and last messenger to a community of desert oasis and forgot about his best creation since then. Even a blind could see that the last messenger was a failure till he adopted dacoits, blunder and mayhem of the weak Jewish communities from the hideout of Yatrib. It was the collapse of the Persian Empire due to war of succession that made Islam the winner. But again, the Ummayads, the archenemy of the Hashemites in which the Prophet belonged, was the winner. As Ms. Majid is a closet fundamentalist, she gets irritated by a correct analysis of Islamic history.
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Maybe, we all should hide in a cave because the vicious mob will be angry and start killing innocents? Is that the thinking? A white flag with out a fight? We should only talk about flowers? Right?
-SD"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:04 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your imbecile mind will not comprehend the seriousness of the political situation with the vicious Jehadists in Bangladesh -- innocent people will eventually be the victims.
But you and the troll don't care a hoot . . .
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:48:38 -0800
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: context needed to understnad life of prophet Muhammad PBUH
To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.comIf brother Shalom wants people to know the prophet and a religion better, then people have no choice but to ask some tough questions. If you do not like the heat, stay out it and be in peace. But ordering how a discussion should be moved forward is not really a Muktomona motto. You got your pet subjects and you are totally free to push forward whatever you think right for your taste. Please stop browbeating others in regards to what should be discussed and what not. That is called censorship. If I remember correct, we were equally critical about the authentic Marxism of Sankar-da when he tried to feed us with a different cool-aid.
-SD"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:00 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please STOP posting this religious stuff in mukto-mona. We've had this crude Islam-bashing type of writings day after day, month after month, year after year.
From: subain1@yahoo.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:16:21 -0800
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: context needed to understnad life of prophet Muhammad PBUH
The talk of 'context needed to understand Mohammad' is essentially nonsense talk.There is no need to understand a man who lived on Earth some fifteen hundred years back. What the world needs to do is to see the actions of people today, and reward, stay indifferent or punish those actions, depending on the virtue, innocence and criminality, respectively, of those actions. Mohammad does not need any such reward, indifference or punishment.The problem with the soft-sellers of the Islamic doctrine is that they would call the absolutely non-criminal objective looks at Islam as 'not knowing the context', 'ignorance' and even 'hatred against Islam'; while at the same time they remain inactive and soft-supporters of Islamic criminals that act upon their use, misuse, abuse, 'not knowing the context' and 'ignorance' of Islam. While the soft-sellers of the stupidity and hatred of Islam remain mostly inactive and soft-supporters of hatred and atrocities against non-believers of Islam, they hardly ever push for serious punishments against the real criminals who do their crimes proclaiming to be on behalf of and for the protection of Islam.I think mukto-mona, being a thinkers' forum (as opposed to blind-believers' forum), should mostly expunge the slavish, brainwashed, and illogical soft-selling of religion by people like QR.SuBain============================================
On Monday, February 17, 2014 3:53 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I welcome your initiative to critic Islam and prophet Muhammad (PBUH). However when you take out of context events, it may confuse and misguide a lot of people. I am forwarding a part of history which is important to know to be able to UNDERSTAND some of the decisions taken by the last messenger of God Muhammad (PBUH).
Specifically he gave multiple chances to Jewish tribes who not only broke singed treaties with the state of Medina but conspired to murder Muslims of that city (By becoming traitors during war).
If you have questions, feel free to ask.
Shalom!
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Life of the last prophet -PBUH
Following the expulsion of the treacherous Jewish tribes of Banu Qainuqa' and Banu Nadeer for breaking the treaty with the Muslims, Rasulullah sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam exiled the remnants of these to Khaybar on the outskirts of Madinah.Awaiting a decisive defeat of the Muslims by the Quraish which didn't materialise, the deceitful Jews grew in discontent and hatched a new conspiracy against Rasulullah sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam in the fifth year after hijrah.
Being too cowardly to face the Muslims in battle, 20 Jewish chiefs went to Makkah to draw the Quraish into a negotiation by forming a "coalition". In return for the Quraish attacking Madinah, full support would be provided to them by the Jews and both parties thereafter would be rid of Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam and his followers once and for all. Smarting from successive humiliating defeats at the hands of the Sahaabah radiallaahu 'anhum, the Quraish jumped at the offer.
The Jewish delegation toured Arabia inciting the various tribes to take up arms against the Islamic State of Madinah. In Shawwaal, the Confederates (various tribes from Arabia under the leadership of the Quraish) converged on the outskirts of Madinah boasting a combined force of 10,000, which outnumbered the total Muslim population of Madinah at the time.
Based on surveillance reports of impending attacks, Rasulullah sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam ordered the digging of trenches to protect Madinah based on the advice of Salman al Farsi radiallaahu 'anhu. The period spent digging the trenches was one of the most difficult times endured by the Muslims in defense of Islam. The digging took several days and during this time, Rasulullah sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam and the Sahaabah radiallaahu 'anhum endured fatigue and near starvation. At the completion of the trenches, 3000 Muslims came out to guard Madinah against any advances by the kuffaar (disbelievers).Witnessing the trenches was a great psychological setback for the kuffaar and although they tried to cross it was to no avail. Apart from the exchange of volleys of arrows, there was not much in the way of physical combat. This was more a battle of nerves as the Confederates grew more frustrated with each passing day.
