Attn: - Mohammed Asghar; by what definition is Adam a Muslim? He being a Jewish invention in Genesis, is he not better described a Jew?
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On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:27 AM, "Razzak Syed amsmel@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Br. MA,You are quoting the Surah Anfaal, verses were revealed in the context of first battle (Battle of Badar), under the leadership of Prophet (SAW). That was the first battle for Ummah of Prophet (SAW), it was the start of restablishment of Islam.Br. Be truthful, do you want me to believe, ISIS are the leader of Islam? Common, then you are a fool, do the research and find out how they were established and who financed them? Why they started fighting in Syria, why they didn't fight against Israel when thousand of innocent children's were killed. Common, don't bullshit us. Either you are sucked by their lies or you are one of them.I m not interested to discuss on this matter any further. May Allah (SWT) save us from the Devils.
Capt. Razzak A. SyedSent from my iPhoneDear Capt. Razzak,Neither do I know you personally, but it is not an important matter. We are talking about Islam and its precepts. Either youagree or disagree with us is a matter for you, but your disagreement must be based on truth and evidence. That is why Isay:Truth is a truth even if no one believes it.Lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.You have taken verse 33:71 of the Quran lightly, or you have opted not to consider its consequences. In my understanding,Allah has already defined who the Muslims are. By accepting Islam, Adam became a tyrant as he was a foolish man.His descendant s must have inherited his innate qualities. If you want to deny it, you may, but you cannot change the meaningand the implications of the Quranic verses. If any Muslim tries to do so, he or she would face a severe punishment fromAllah on the Day of Judgment, provided it recurs in future.You are wrong in claiming that there are 3 billion Muslims in the world. I am not sure where you got this number from. But inany case, it is a falsehood that many of the Muslims resort to in order to bolster the morale of the so-called Muslims andto intimidate the non-Muslims.The Quran was revealed to prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years. The first set of the verses, logically, speaking,,cannot be lumped up with the last verse or the last set of verses revealed to him before his death. Anyone seeking contextof the verses is clearly not correct and he or she does so in order to defend what is not defendable under any circumstance.I am interested in having a meaningful conversation with you. But before doing this, I will like to read your comment onthe following verse of the Quran. Please help me understand what Allah had told prophet Muhammad over1400 years ago.8:17: "It is not you who slew them [pagans], it was Allah: when you threw (a handful of dust), it was not your act, butAllah's: in order that He [Allah] might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself [i.e. Allah]: for Allah ;is HeWho hears and knows (all things)."Please do not include irrelevant materials in your comment. Thanks.Mohammad Asghar-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: Prophet Muhammad used to order his Jihadi gang to assassinate his rivals and most important critics of Islam
Mr. MA,AWRB. I don't you personally, even I do, the verses you quoted, doesn't justify the argument Claimed by SKM.
Secondly, in various places of Quran, Allah(SWT) mentioned to Prophet (SAW) "Oh Prophet, I am(Allah) explaining the stories of your ancestors just to make you understand".
In simple words, none can clarify the Verses without the context of individual 'Ayath', when n why n under what circumstances it was revealed.
Beside all, None of the religion preaches killing innocent people, whether they believer or none believer of any respective faith. Also if any non muslim embrace Islam under the influence of Power,Money or materialistic things, then that faith isn't Allah (SWT) asked for. As Ummah of Prophet (SAW), our duty to practice Islam as guided by Our beloved Prophet(SAW) n his companions, give Dawah with humbleness and fear Allah(SWT) all the time.
If Allah (SWT) can hear the pray of a prey, why he will not hear the prayer of 3 billion Muslims? We Muslims aren't on track, we are first in cheating, we are first on womanizing, we are first in depriving poors, we are first on lies, and so on.
May Allah(SWT) guide us and protect us from the biggest enemy 'The Devil and Own Soul'.
Wassaalam,
Capt. Razzak A. Syed
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Of course, Islam, from Adam to prophet Muhammad, was the same religion. Please read the following verse from the Quranto understand how Islam came to Adam at a time no one knows about.33:71: "We [i.e. Allah] did indeed offer the Trust [i.e. Islam] to the Heavens [i.e. skies] and the Earth and the Mountainsbut they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof [e.g. skies, earth and the mountains have ability to speakand they also have their Will Power], but man undertook it;- he was indeed tyrant and foolish:-" (trans. byAbdullah Yusuf Ali. I have changed the word 'unjust' into 'tyrant,' following Mermaduke Pickthall's translation).Please feel free to comment on the above verse. If you want to deny it, it is your right. If you want to say that the translationis wrong, it is also your right. But if you will want to say that the word "Trust" does not mean 'Islam,' in that case, you mustexplain what this word really means, with proof from Allah's communication with you that would validate your line ofargument and explanation.I am looking forward to hearing from you or from others on the list. Thanks.Mohammad Asghar-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: Prophet Muhammad used to order his Jihadi gang to assassinate his rivals and most important critics of Islam
Dear all,AWRB. Statement made by Syed K Mirza is completely against the Quran and order of Prophet (SAW). This fool forget the story of Taif, where awaiting for Prophets permission to turn the earth of Taif, instead Prophet (SAW) asked for mercy of Allah (SWT).
In various places Allah (SWT) assuring/warning/reminding Prophet (SAW) of his duty was to convey the message only, Hidyaht blessed by Allah(SWT).
This SKM can be a non-muslim trying defaming Islam.
From Prophet Adam (AWS) till Prophet (SAW), there is only one religion revealed by Allah (SWT) and that is Islam, human being changed the religion by their wishes and misguidance by the devil. Pls read the Surah 'Ar Rud' (13th Surah).
WasSalaam,
Capt. Razzak A. Syed
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Yeah! Don't believe a word of it, Shaheen! A fake name, as fake as they come! It was painful dealing with the sleazebag ten yrs ago in mukto-mona.--
Notice how vague the credentials are. Ph D in Bilogical sciences? From where? Worked for 12 yrs -- who knows of him? The cheater does not even bother to mention the name of the 'University' in Bangladesh. We are all fools, his toy-things! He's got the last laugh!
I suppose by now he's got hooked up with some funding sources from the huge Islamophobia industry in the USA. They hog the mainstream media.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:08:02 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: Prophet Muhammad used to order his Jihadi gang to assassinate his rivals and most important critics of Islam
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Which Syed Kamran Mirza is this Farida? The link I found on google does not appear to be the same person :)
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Who let this deranged rabis-ridden mutt, Kamran Taliban Mirza, out of his pen?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:41:40 -0400
Subject: Prophet Muhammad used to order his Jihadi gang to assassinate his rivals and most important critics of Islam
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To all Islamists living in the western comfort:
Dear all believres (Mumin Musalman),
Question: "was the Prophet Muhammad also behaved just like ISIS Jihadists in Syria?"
Answers: Yes, Prophet Muhammad used to order his Jihadi gang to assassinate his rivals and most important critics of Islam. That is why pukka Muslims (ISIS gong) even today obey the holy order of PM.
I am sure like majority sons of muslims (me too) you all also read and heard about Prophet Muhammad (PM) all the goodies and nothing but the goodies. We had been brain-washed (Mogoz Dhulai) by Mullahs that PM was like an Angel--never lied, never committed any sin a pure human being to emulate by the entire mankind etc, etc. These are pure BS, and unadulterated lies and deception. This is called Islamic taqqiyya or Islamic deception invented by Prophet of Islam himself. I also believed these good talks but after reading PM's extensive biographies, Koran and hadiths now I am totally 180 degree opposite to that early belief system about PM and Islam.
Attached are two articles. Please read them and find the truth. Compare the Koran and read the Hadiths related to PM. Please remember, those mullahs who brainwashed us in our childhood never showed anything from Koran, hadiths, or from any of the ancient Biographies or from real early Islamic history at all, to substantiate their claim. They only did some lip-services.
Hadith of killing Asma bin Marwan by the order of Prophet Muhammad: Can you imagine? A prophet of peace can ask to assassin those leaders who just disagreed with him or criticized him? Please read the attachment and some samples below:
Siraat-e-Rasul by Ibn Ishaq Page-676: Assassination of Jewish lady Asma bint Marwan who was the mather of 5 infants.
She was of B. Umayya b. Zayd. When Abu 'Afak had been killed she displayed disaffection. 'Abdullah b. al-Harith b. al-Fudayl from his father said that she was married to a man of B. Khatma called Yazid b. Zayd. Blaming Islam and its followers she said : I despise B. 3$alik and al-Nabit And 'Auf and B. al-Khazraj. She wrote a poetry despising Prophet Muhammad. When the apostle heard what she has said he said, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' 'Umayr b. fAdiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. Umayr the assassin pierced her chest (heart) with his sword while she was asleep (middle of the night, still when one of her baby was sucking her breast for milk.).
In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, 'You have helped God and His apostle, O 'UmayrP When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, 'Two goats won't butt their heads about her,' so 'Umayr went back to his people.
Now there was a great commotion among B. Khatma that day about the affair of Bint Marwan. She had five sons, and when 'Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, 'I have killed Bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don't keep me waiting'2 That was the first day that Islam became powerful among B. Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact. The first of them to accept Islam was 'Umayr b. eAdiy who was called 'the Reader', and 'Abdullah b. Aus and Khuzayma b. Thabit. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam. [This is the glaring example how Islam was spread in Arabia very peacefully indeed.]
Another Sahih hadiths PM asked for assassination of his Jewish rival: Here is the quote and the context from Bukhari vol.3 book 45 ch.3 no.687 p.415.
(687) Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Allah's Apostle said, 'Who would kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf as he has harmed Allah and His Apostle? Muhammad bin Maslama (got up and) said, 'I will kill him.' So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka'b and said, 'I want a loan of one or two Wasqs of foodgrains.'" After dickering over what to hold as mortgage, they agreed that Muhammad bin Maslama would mortgage his weapons. So he promised him that he would come with his weapons next time." Bukhari vol.3 book 45 ch.3 no.687 p.415 (That is all this passage says.)
"Narrated Jabir : The Prophet said, 'Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew).' Muhammad bin Maslama replied, 'Do you like me to kill him?' The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, 'Then allow me to say what I like.' [i.e. to lie]. The Prophet replied 'I do (i.e. allow you).'" Bukhari vol.4 book 52 ch.159 no.271 p.168
Please read the attached file for much more assassination story about PM's hidden agenda to eliminate his rivals. This is hardly any Prophetic job by normal stander. Don't you think so???? Please do not miss to read the articles attached having all the evidences from Koran and Hadiths.
That's all today. Much more will be coming next. Thanks.
Regards,
Syed K Mirza
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