In most computer modeling, phenomenological operators are used to solve complex problems. These operators are like black boxes, and no one knows the actual forms of those operators, but they help solve complex problems. God is one such phenomenological operator, which solves many of our complex psychological problems.
If I ask - what is mind? Atheists will probably say – it a natural feature of the living beings. As you know - this is not an answer to the question.
A believer, on the other hand, will try his phenomenological God to find an answer to the question, which he will be contented with.
As you see, the phenomenological God does not exist in reality, but it helps solving many of our complex psychological problems, just like phenomenological operator solves computer problems.
So, question is not whether God exists or not, the question is - what is God. Everything depends on the definition of God.
Jiten Roy
From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God
If Buddhism is considered a religion, surely God is not needed for all religions. But what is this nonsense of what God needs or does not need? The imaginary character needs whatever the believer thinks he needs. To a rational person, there is no such thing as God needing this or that.
I find the statement, 'Atheism itself is regarded as a religion. So Subimal Chakrabarty's atheism or my atheism or anybody else's atheism does not mean that we are all clue-less non-sensical people', totally absurd.
Let us look at the definition of "religion" in the Oxford Dictionaries. It is, "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." Atheism is probably regarded as a religion only by people, including some Christians, who cannot think beyond religions. The idea that atheists would be 'clueless and nonsensical' without accepting that their rational thoughts are also a religion sounds too ludicrous to me.
SuBain
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On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 6:26 PM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Jiten Roy is probably forgetting his own religion (if he has any), when he says religion needs God. Have you got a God or more widely, have Hindus got a God? There may be a number of gods and goddesses, but not a single all powerful, omnipotent, omnipresent God, as understood in the monotheistic religion. Buddhism does not believe in gods or goddesses. So to assert that 'religion has no existence without God' is blatantly wrong. Religion is a faith, quite often a blind faith.You can have faith in whatever you like - God or no God. Atheism itself is regarded as a religion. So Subimal Chakrabarty's atheism or my atheism or anybody else's atheism does not mean that we are all clue-less non-sensical people, as Jiten Roy claims. In fact, such egregious claim is itself devoid of sense.
- AR
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014, 0:27
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God
First thing first. Your account might have been hacked. I tried to contact you but I do not know your telephone number. Check on that first.
Now with respect to your query, my short cut answer is that I am talking about the teachings of a religion. You can learn great virtues from a religion. That's why many believers are good human beings.
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On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr. Chakraborty, you cannot partially support a religion; you may partially follow a religion; in fact, most people do that. That does not mean, they have partial support for their religion. Maybe that's what you meant. Even then, you are contradicting yourself.You have said in a previous post that you are an atheist for 45 years, meaning you don't believe in God. You must know - religion have no existence without God. How can you partially support religion without believing in God? You are not making sense here.
God is a metaphysical concept; God does not need religion, religion needs God, meaning one can believe in God without religion, but the reverse logic is not true.Deepak Chopra in a recent article discussed how: Physics needs God, but God does not need physics. The concept of God is the same, whether it is in physics or religion. You can find his article in the following link:Religionists have given a distorted view of God. Enlightened people should not get swayed by such distortion.Jiten Roy
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