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Thursday, May 12, 2016

[mukto-mona] Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} : স্ত্রীকে মারার কৌশল শেখাচ্ছে সৌদি সরকার !!!!!



Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari  hadiths were compiled about 200 years after the demise
of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).in 11 AH (Hijri calendar)

Sahih Muslim was collected by Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, was born in 204 AH(817/18 CE) in Nishapur
(in modern-day Iran) and died in 261 AH.
Sahih Bukhari was collected by Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai,
born in 194 A. H and died in 256 A.H
Please read Quranic  Surah Nisa (The Women) verse 34 in this context:



for english tafsir.........!


On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:23 AM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have my doubt if this video is authentic. Or, it may have been extracted out context. I also doubt about the authenticity of the Hadiths quoted. 

Though I am not an authority on Islam or Hadith, I have never come across any injunction that allows beating or maltreating wives or women. Allah has ordered man to protect and provide for his wife. Allah says: "They are clothing/covering (libaas) for you and you for them…." 

 Allah has indeed created man and woman to be the natural counterparts of the other.  They are natural companions both physically and mentally.  

 

 "You who believe! It is not lawful for you to inherit women by force. Nor may you treat them harshly so that you can make off with part of what you have given them, unless they commit an act of flagrant indecency. Live together with them correctly and courteously. If you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something in which Allah has placed a lot of good." (4:19)


 


Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 13:19:32 -0400
Subject: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: স্ত্রীকে মারার কৌশল শেখাচ্ছে সৌদি সরকার
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Indeed very interesting Dr. Adil Babu (Thank you)!  

And yes, many Muslims know pretty well how to beat their wives, no doubt! 
I also have seen (probably you have missed!) many Non-Muslims husbands those do not beat their wives at all; they only kill them in one shot or burn them alive with their dead husbands. Probably, all those had escaped from your notice (You must be busy in "other" witch hunting!)
Anyway, you need only "one atomic bomb" to kill your wife; and I doubt if "Two Atomic bombs" could disable terrorist Hasina! What do you think?

I have effectively blocked you! 


On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Nehal Adil <nehal.adil2011@gmail.com> wrote:

স্ত্রীকে মারার কৌশল শেখাচ্ছে সৌদি সরকার
অনলাইন ডেস্ক
Published : Thursday, 12 May, 2016 at 8:18 PM
  
স্ত্রীকে মারার কৌশল শেখাচ্ছে সৌদি সরকারসৌদি আরবের জাতীয় টেলিভিশনে একটি ভিডিও সম্প্রচার করা হচ্ছে। এতে দেখা যাচ্ছে, স্ত্রীকে সঠিকভাবে মারপিটের কৌশল শিখিয়ে দিচ্ছেন স্বঘোষিত একজন ইসলামিক চিকিৎসক।
গত ফেব্রুয়ারি থেকেই দেশটির টেলিভিশনে ওই ভিডিও প্রচারিত হয়ে আসছে। সৌদি সরকার বলছে, ভিডিওটি সম্প্রচারের অনুমতি দেয়া হয়েছে যে কারণে তা জাতীয় টেলিভিশনে দেখানো হচ্ছে।
সৌদিতে ওই ভিডিও সম্প্রচারের পর ওয়াশিংটন ভিত্তিক মিডল ইস্ট মিডিয়া রিসার্চ ইনস্টিটিউটের মাধ্যমে এপ্রিল মাসে যুক্তরাষ্ট্রে ভিডিওটি সম্প্রচার করে সৌদি সরকার। এই ভিডিওর জেরে বিভিন্ন নারী অধিকার কর্মীরা সৌদি সরকারের সমালোচনা করছে।
প্রায় ৪ মিনিটের ভিডিওতে দেখা যায়, থেরাপি বিশেষজ্ঞ হিসেবে নিজেকে পরিচয় দেয়া চিকিৎসক খালেদ আল-সাকাবি পুরুষদেরকে স্ত্রী পেটানোর কৌশল শেখাচ্ছেন। এতে স্ত্রী যদি অবাধ্য হয় তাহলে তাকে সঠিক উপায়ে কীভাবে মারপিট করতে হবে তাও শিখিয়ে দিচ্ছেন তিনি।
Watch the video:

- See more at: http://www.manobkantha.com/2016/05/12/125797.php#sthash.HX37nKWA.dpuf
The national television of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has aired a video, in which a self-styled Islamic family doctor is seen teaching men in the country how to 'properly' beat their wives. Read the article: http://goo.gl/xmQxuD

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Nehal Adil <nehal.adil2011@gmail.com> wrote:

You have mentioned: "Beating another person is a crime and misogynistic men have 
translated idribu in 4:34 to mean only strike or beat,...."

The same word is also used in the Hadith.Sahih Muslim 5564 offers an example in 
which 'idriboo' is used to define the blow required to kill a gecko:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who killed a gecko with the first stroke for him is such and such a reward, and he who killed it with a second stroke for him is such and such reward less than the first one, and he who killed it with the third stroke for him is such and such a reward less than the second one.


Book 026, Number 5564:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who killed a gecko with the first stroke for him is such and such a reward, and he who killed it with a second stroke for him is such and such reward less than the first one, and he who killed it with the third stroke for him is such and such a reward less than the second one.

 Point of order:

From the Hadith:

 

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her.  Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing.  Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

 

Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'"  This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

 

Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission.  Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

 

Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slappinghis wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him.  According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

 

Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin 'Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but when 'Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them."  At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands.  Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

 

Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

 

Abu Dawud (2126) - "A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: 'I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).' The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: 'She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'"  A Muslim man thinks his is getting a virgin, then finds out she is pregnant.  Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she has delivered the child.

 

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 969 - Requires that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others."  According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related.

 

Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) - [Muhammad said] "Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it"

 

2015-08-02 17:59 GMT-04:00 Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>:
Does anyone know who this person is?  I am amazed that this outdated translation from the previous century is being circulated in the 21st. century to justify wife abuse which is a criminal act. Was there ever any record of the Prophet beating any of his wives?!  Beating another person is a crime and misogynistic men have translated idribu in 4:34 to mean only strike or beat, when this word also refers to cast aside, set a barrier, prohibit or hinder, avoid, shun, turn away and go away. 

Contemporary translations by both men as well as women scholars don't use the outdated opinions and commentaries of translators from the 20th. century.  Here is the translation from Sublime Quran (2009):

4:34  Men are supporters of wives because God has given some of them an advantage over others and because they have spent of their wealth.  So the ones in accord with morality are the ones who are morally obligated and the ones who guard the unseen of what God has kept safe.  And those whose resistance you fear, admonish them and abandon them in their sleeping places and go away from them.  Then if they obey you then look not for any way against them.  Truly God has been Lofty, Great.

And from Quran: A Reformist Translation (2010):

4:34 The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money.  The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected.  As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.

Also many women support families too in this day and age so they are entitled to the same rights and neither men nor women should beat the other.


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