Genocide a retribution , says who?. If every rohinga victims personally had any role in wrong doings then only poetic justice can be called here. It is hypocratical to find guilty of crimes that one is personally not responsible for. So hate ISIS, Taliban, RSS, Burmese army commuting atrocities and their cheerleaders, not their detractors.
Since Ww2 after the horror of holocust , in western societies, true educated has define collected punishment as abhorrent practices of past. Evidently that didn't make to asia. Here educated sometimes educated see justice in the collective punishment. Even after living in west for years , they carry the baggage from where they come from.
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On Fri, 9/15/17, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Forgotten history: Like the Rohingya, Indians too were once driven out of Myanmar
To: "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "mokto mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>, "Khobor" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "Jamal G. Khan" <m.jamalghaus@gmail.com>, "SITANGSHU GUHA" <sbguha@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, September 15, 2017, 11:10 AM
Nobody is justifying anything here. It is
rather called 'a poetic justice'. Some people have
been doing it for many centuries and they are finally
tasting the same medicine that they are being dispensed by
resurgent Burmese thugs. Are Muslim thugs qualitatively
better Burmese? I do not think so.
Don't you worry son, watch when
Europeans get fed up with people terrorizing them in their
own backyard and resort to neo-nazi like violence to their
Muslim citizens. Don't ask whether two wrongs make
things right? The religious violence should be stopped
whether it comes from Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or
Budhist sides. If you think Rohinga problem is an unique one
and people should just condemn Burmese and give Muslims a
gold medal for humanity, you are living in a fools'
paradise. Human psychology is rather enigmatic and complex
as hell. I do understand your point but you have to face
your own demons too. As I said so many times that I hate
. But I do not consider you as one. Thank you.
Keep your fight on to wake up other imbeciles/thugs too.
On Fri,
Sep 15, 2017 at 10:27 AM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via
Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
One crime
against humanity doesn't justify another crime. Do you
have courage to criticize nehru, jinnah,mujib,sarwardi and
other for their crimes against muslim and hindu; I bet you
don't, so don't criticize others for their concern
for any group , before you find faults of your
shortcomings.
Rohinga is a genueine ussue, you should also be up in arms
on the issue.
MLK:Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
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On Fri, 9/15/17, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: Forgotten history: Like the
Rohingya, Indians too were once driven out of Myanmar
To: "bangladesh-progressives@
googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@
googlegroups.com>, "Khobor" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>,
"mokto mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,
"pfc" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "Jamal G. Khan" <m.jamalghaus@gmail.com>,
"SITANGSHU GUHA" <sbguha@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, September 15, 2017, 9:41 AM
আমাদের
মানবাধিকার শুধু
কাঁটাতারের বেঁড়া ও
রোহিঙ্গাদের মধ্যে
সীমাবদ্ধ। ৯/১১, আইসিস
বা
বোকাহেরেমের
বিরুদ্ধে
এমন প্রতিবাদ
হলে সন্ত্রাস বন্ধ
হয়ে
যেতো? আজ আবার তাঁকান
লন্ডনের দিকে, কারো
মুখে শব্দ
নেই? এসব ফোরামের
মৌলবাদীরা
নির্লজ্জ্ব-বেহায়া?
প্রতিমা ভাঙ্গার
খবরে টের পাচ্ছি,
পূঁজা
আসছে?
প্রতিমা ভাঙ্গার
শব্দ জানান দিচ্ছে,
পূঁজা আসছে? শারদীয়া
দুর্গোৎসব দোরগোড়ায়?
মিডিয়ায় তাই
মুর্ক্তি
ভাঙ্গার খবর আসছে।
বাংলাদেশে প্রায়
পঞ্চাশ হাজার পূজা
হয়।
এজন্যে প্রতিমা চাই।
কুমোড় মুর্ক্তি
বানাচ্ছে, আর যাদের
কাজ
ভাঁঙ্গা, তারা
ভাঙ্গছে?
'ভাঁঙ্গা আর
গঁড়া' নাকি সৃষ্টির
রহস্য, কিন্তু
মুর্ক্তি
ভাঙ্গার মধ্য দিয়ে কি
সৃষ্টি হচ্ছে বোঝা
মুশকিল? কিছু সৃষ্টি
হোক বা নাহোক,
মুর্ক্তি
ভাঙ্গছে অবিরত।
সাতচল্লিশে ভারত
ভাঙ্গার মধ্যে দিয়ে
উপমহাদেশে মুর্ক্তি
ভাঙ্গা শুরু, আজো
চলছে।
এরমধ্যে পাকিস্তান
ভেঙ্গে বাংলাদেশ
হয়েছে;
কিন্তু হিন্দুর দেবী
প্রতিমা ভাঙ্গা
থামেনি। বাহাত্তরেও
ভেঙেছে; ২০১৭-তেওঁ
ভাঙ্গছে। বাংলাদেশের
৪৬ বছরের ইতিহাসে
হাজার
হাজার মুর্ক্তি,
মন্দির
ভাঙ্গলেও আজ অবধি
একজন
এই অপরাধে শাস্তি
পেয়েছে, এমন নজির
সৃষ্টি হয়নি। অবশ্য
যারা মুর্ক্তি
ভাঙ্গে
বা মন্দির আক্রমন করে
পুলিশের দৃষ্টিতে
তারা
সবাই 'মানসিক
ভারসাম্যহীন'। তাই
মামলা চলেনা, পাগলের
বিরুদ্ধে কি মামলা হয়?
ভারতে মসজিদ ভাঙ্গে
হিন্দুরা, বাংলাদেশে
মন্দির ভাঙ্গে
পাগলরা,
পাগলের আবার ধর্ম কি?
ইত্তেফাক ৮
সেপ্টেম্বর
খবর দিয়েছে,
মানিকগঞ্জের সিংগাইর
উপজেলার সোলাই
বাঙ্গালা গ্রামের
দু'টি মন্দিরের ১৫টি
মুর্ক্তি ভাঙচুর
করেছে
দুর্বৃত্তরা। পরের
দিন
আবার একই পত্রিকা খবর
দেয় যে, সাতক্ষীরার
আশাশুনী উপজেলার
কুল্ল্যা ইউনিয়নের
কচুয়া গ্রামে জেলা
পরিষদের নেতৃত্বে
৫টি
প্রতিমা ভাংচুর করা
হয়েছে। এতে ৫জন
হিন্দু
আহত হয়েছে। পুলিশ
২জনকে
আটক করেছে। প্রতিমা
ভাঙ্গার খবরে টের
পাচ্ছি, পূঁজা
আসছে?
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017
at 9:22 AM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
wrote:
As
Bengalee Hindus were driven out by Bengalee Muslims
before
and after partition. They are /were between a rock and
hard
place. This is basically.... 'A pot calling kettle
black' phenomenon. When Srilankan Tamils were being
butchered with the aid of Chinese and Pakistani
weapons,
Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh were conspicuously
applauding the genocide. Look, Sindhi, Punjabi and
Bangla
Hindus are not less hated in Bangladesh and Pakistan if
you
take a poll in Bangladesh or Pakistan. They are still
poring
out from these countries. Some Muslims are even
dreaming
about Ghwaza e Hind as if Indian Hindus would be just
another pushover case. This is actually causing many
Hindus
to abandon their traditional anti violence stance about
peaceful living philosophy.
Indians got no dog in this Rohinga fight. All major
powers
are very silent about this Rohinga issue. The reason
being... that the world is simply got tired of Islamic
problem and its anti western and anti infidel rhetoric
and
acts. Even Yazdi people get more sympathy than our
poor
Rohingas.
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017
at 2:25 AM, Jamal G. Khan <m.jamalghaus@gmail.com>
wrote:
Forgotten
history: Like the Rohingya, Indians too were once driven
out
of MyanmarShoaib
DaniyalPublished
at 02:42 PM September 12, 2017
Vincent
Clarence Scott O'Connor - The Silken East, Public
Domain
For most of
Burmese history, Indians suffered bigotry for their
ethnicity. Yet, India is now abandoning the persecuted
Rohingyas.
In 1855, as the British were annexing parts of
Burma to add to the Indian Empire, Henry Yule, an
English
civil servant, wrote of his travels in the South East
Asian
country. In this fascinating account of Burma, Yule
also
described the racial superiority the Burmese felt with
respect to their dark-skinned, eastern
neighbours:"By
a curious self-delusion, the Burmans would seem to
claim
that in theory at least they are white people. And what
is
still more curious, the Bengalees appear indirectly to
admit
the claim; for our servants in speaking of themselves
and
their countrymen, as distinguished from the Burmans,
constantly made use of the term 'kala admi' –
black
man, as the representative of the Burmese Kola, a
foreigner."This is probably one of the first written
references to the Burmese racial slur "kala". Later,
as
the Raj annexed all of Burma and made it a part of
British
India, Indians streamed into the region, where the
local
Burmese would often refer to them as
"kala".Today there are very few Indians – defined
as
tracing their origin to British India – in Burma. But
the
term "kala" survives. It is used to racially target
the
Rohingya, a mostly Muslim minority living on the
western
coast of Burma who have been described as the most
persecuted community in the world. But Rohingyas and
Indians
in Burma have more in common than a shared racial slur.
Like
the Rohingya today, Indians in Burma were also the target
of
racial discrimination and driven out in large numbers in
the
country between 1930 and the 1960s, a process that
continues
today with the forced expulsion of the Rohingya from
Myanmar, who are considered foreigners in the
country.Browns in
BurmaIn 1826, the First Anglo-Burmese War was won by
the
British, giving the Raj control over much of what is
now
Northeast India as well as parts of the modern Burma.
With
it, Indians started to stream into Burma, a process
that
greatly accelerated with the complete annexation of the
country into the British Indian Empire in 1885.Indians had
a significant presence in Burma and
dominated commerce in what was then a province of
British
India. This included big merchants from the Chettiar,
Marwari and Gujarati communities. Then, there were the
Bengali babus. Like they spread West from Bengal under
the
aegis of the British Empire, they also spread East
(Myanmar
borders the Bengal delta). Among the more famous
Burmese
Bengalis, writer Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay, the
author
of Devdas, worked as a government clerk
in the South East Asian country. The third and largest
group
consisted of labourers – Indians working as coolies,
servants and mistries. In George Orwell's novel Burmese
Days, for example, memsahibs in Burma
rarely knew Burmese, but did need to speak "kitchen
Urdu" in order to direct their mostly Indian domestic
staff.By 1931, Indians made up 7% of Burma's
population. They were also extremely prosperous and
controlled large parts of the economy. Indians owned so
much
property that, for example, during the 1930s, they paid
55%
of the municipal taxes in Rangoon – the capital of
British
Burma. The local Burmese, on the other hand, paid only
11%.This same migration also brought at least a part of
the Rohingya population into Burma from Bengal's
eastern-most district, Chittagong. Currently, this fact
is
fiercely contested politically since it is being used
by
Myanmar's administration to paint the Rohingya as
Bengali
and hence non-Burmese, given that their citizenship laws
–
absurdly – are based not on birth but on
race.Anti-Indian
sentimentThe racial animus that is driving the mass
killings
of Rohingyas today rose first against Indians in general
in
1930, as Telugu and Burman dockworkers clashed in
Rangoon,
sparking widespread anti-Indian violence. Much larger
anti-Indian riots followed in 1938, a year after Burma
was
separated from British India (but still remained under
British rule). Like with the Rohingya violence today,
1938
was simultaneously religious as well as racial – it
was
sparked off by a book written by a Muslim which was said
to
be critical of the Buddha, but almost immediately
exploded
into racial violence directed at all Indians in
Burma.In 1941, there was more violence as the Japanese
attacked Burma during World War II. As the Japanese
advanced
into the country, the British began to withdraw. Without
the
protection of the British Indian Army, Indians feared
attacks from both the Japanese as well as the local
Burmese.
This resulted in the first major exodus of Indians from
Burma. Many Indians, in fact, trekked all the way from
Burma
to India, with thousands dying in the tropical forests
on
the way.Institutionalised
racismIn 1948, as Burma gained independence from the
British, Indians had to face even more xenophobia as the
new
state defined itself in racial terms. The population of
Burmese Indians had numbered more than a million before
World War II – a number that dropped to around 700,000
in
the mid 1950s. Between 1949 and 1961, out of 1,50,000
applications for Burmese citizenship by persons of
Indian
origin, less than a fifth were accepted.In 1962, Burma saw
a military takeover of its
government. The dictator Ne Win followed an aggressive
racial policy which affected every minority group. All
property was nationalised, severely affecting rich
persons
of Indian origin. White collar Indians were expelled
from
the country. Between 1962 and 1964, more than 300,000
Indians were forced out of Burma.In 1982, Burma passed a
new citizenship law that
created a strict racial definition of citizenship. This
rendered the Rohingya and most persons of Indian origin
stateless. While the plight of the Rohingya has –
deservedly – caught the attention of the world due to
the
genocide they face, these laws mean even people of
Indian
origin in Myanmar are discriminated against heavily
even
though they have lived there for generations. One
estimate
holds that 500,000 people of Indian origin living in
Myanmar
are stateless.Forced BurmanisationSince then, faced with a
Hobsons' choice, persons
of Indian origin have Burmanised – several government
policies are aimed at making non-indigenous communities
adopt Burmese norms, including language, religion and
culture – rapidly in order to reduce the hostility
that
they faced. The Burmese language has replaced the
various
languages people of Indian origin spoke and even names
have
been Burmanised. Yet, this hasn't entirely solved
matters.
Hindus and Muslims of Indian origin are not allowed any
public celebration of religion and face racism.In the
1960s, the Indian government was criticised
for not helping its diaspora in Burma as they faced
bigotry
and were being expelled. In sharp contrast, China came
to
the aid of its Burmese diaspora (who were also targeted
racially).Little has changed today. The Rohingya are
the
victim of the same structural racism in Burma that
persons
of Indian origin faced. In the latest surge of violence
between the state and Rohingya people who took up arms
last
year, more than 3,00,000 Rohingyas have fled the
Rakhine
state in Myanmar where they stay, most of them seeking
refuge in Bangladesh.However, the Indian government,
rather than take up
the cause of the disposed, is talking of pushing the
few
Rohingya migrants that have taken shelter in in India
back
to Myanmar – where they would face genocide.This article
was first published on Scroll.in
https://scroll.in/article/8501
99/forgotten-history-like-the-
rohingya-indians-too-were-once -driven-out-of-myanmar
Saratchandra
Chattopadhyay (1876-1938)
In 1893, Sarat Chandra moved
to Burma.
He got a temporary job in Burma Railway's
audit office and later worked for many years in
Burma's public
works accounts office. While living in Rangoon,
he married his first wife Shanti. He was deeply hurt
when
his wife and one-year-old son died from plague. He
married his
second wife Mokshada (later renamed Hironmoyee) also
in
Rangoon and taught her to read and write. She
outlived him by 23 years.In 1916, Sarat Chandra moved
backed to India and settled in Howrah,
near Kolkata.
https://www.revolvy.com/main
/index.php?s=Sarat%20Chandra%2
0Chattopadhyay&sr=50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Sarat_Chandra_Chattopadhyay
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