Abid Bahar was a Pakistani spy in disguise of freedom fighter.
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Abid Bahar is a Rajakar.
On 21 Oct 2017 8:54 p.m., "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Democracy is messy and no country really can boast about having the perfect one. When I see Bangladeshis judging other countries' democratic rules and principles, I get really nervous and furious. Because these dogs can't even spell the word right, let alone practice it in any setting whether it is on the state level or even small community settings. Please practice it home before you preach. Even some of these Bangladeshis have spent long years in a very democratic entity like western world, they have learned nothing except fighting with their fists and daggers. I have seen many such fights in NY and around. Democracy is not a damn Laddoo!On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:India is the largest demcracy, that is because it has largest population among the demcratic countrie. It is for niave to think big guys are great guys. UK by no means large democracy , but it is arguably the greatest example of democracy. It is silly to hound on the size population, especially when when that democracy has largest number of representatives with criminal backgrounds.
Not too long back, in online version of times of India had a scathing review on she state democracy in India. It mentioned, more than 25% has heinous crime in their background. It is not a model to envy of, specially when there many much superior model in europe, australia, American continent. Even in asia, there are few better model exist, like Japan and South Korea.
My knowledge of history on democracies may not be deep, but it not a subject that needs endless study. If some think they need prolong studies, that might as well give it up; the bengali maxim, jar hoy , naw mashay, jar hoy na, hoy na nobbo-e bochoray.
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On Fri, 10/20/17, Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RED EYED AT HOME, TATTERS IN DIPLOMACY WITH BURMA, NO PRIZE FOR THE WORST PM OF BANGLADESH!!!
To: "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>
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Date: Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:11 PM
We haven't heard anything from our Gani bhai
about the typical India and Burma lover highly distinguished professor who was perhaps
misleading Bangladeshi scholars for such a long time!.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017
at 5:38 PM, Rezaul Karim <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>
wrote:
The professor's love for
our two neighbors, India & Myanmar is so repugant in
this context when Bangladesh has fallen victim to
both.
DID HE REALLY SAID WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY? - I
doubt.
His biggest blunder, iI think, his unwarrented
showing of love for Indian democracy( biggest!) &
affection for ASSK, justfying her role & defending her
position in the mist of brutal military
action.Now, when our own lady Hitler has
expressed her dissatisfaction to both the friendly nations
on the Rohigya issue, why the professor shyed away from
it, is a mystery.
God Bless our professors.
Thanks.-
Rezaul Karim
On Oct 20, 2017 2:46
PM, "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>
wrote:
The professor missed a NOT after his love, Indian
Hindu democracy, out of blind love for Hindustan. To claim
the most communal and sectarian Hindu fundamentalist and
Muslim hating and Muslim killing India as a country of
"democracy as its political ideology" is a totally
wrong-headed and laughable assertion by him, like the BAL
hasina claiming Jan 5 election as being fair. How could a
man be a Shiva Sena lover and a supporter of democracy at
the same time? Shiva Sena and Hasina BAL are the
same--fascist. One cannot be BAL blind and at the same time
democratic. India is a bastion and champion of communalism
and caste system. Its ideology is communalism and
fundamentalism and Hinduism. It supports and ptomotes the
Hasina BAL fascists and the bloody militant Myanmar
military. Wake up, Prof! Come to yr senses!
On Oct 20, 2017 10:00
PM, "Zillur R. Khan" <zillurrkhan@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks
for pointing out the typos! Please rethink the basis of my
brief comment : Justice for All! Whether you like the
quality of Indian Democracy, the fact is that India is the
largest nation having Democracy as its political
ideology!Best
wishes,ZRK
Zillur R. Khan,
Ph.D.Rosebush Professor
Emeritus,University of
Wisconsin, andAdjunct
Professor, Rollins College, USAChair, RC-37, IPSA (http://rc37.ipsa.org/)President , Bangladesh
Foundationwww.bangladesh-foundation.org
On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com>
wrote:
HALF BACKED IDEAS!
It is unfortunate to see Prof Zillur Rahman's
half backed ideas about India as being the "world's
largest democracy" and Burmese leader Suu Kyi.being
trained in such a country. Perhaps not known to the
professor that she became a Buddhist fundamentalist from her
training in India. The professor even writes the
name Rohingya wrongly as "Rohyngias" a sign of the
intellectual poverty of some India -lover Bangladeshi famous
professors..A protesting Kashmiri
girl in the occupied Kashmir
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017
at 3:24 PM, Zillur R. Khan <zillurrkhan@gmail.com>
wrote:
Humanistic
goals aren't easy to achieve. What counts most for
stability and peace is the continuous striving by
leaders for
JUSTICE. Ideological conflicts and striving to attain and
maintain POWER(opioids for many leaders) have been
undermining justice throughout human history. Justice, as
Socrates put it, is to give everyone his due [as a human
being].
Educated
in India, the largest Democratic Nation of the
World,Nobel
Laureate Aung San Suu Chi has been taking strong stand for
Democracy in Burma/Myanmar for which her mobility was
severely restricted by the military regime. Now is the time,
upholding the efforts of her assassinated father General
Aung San, recognized as the Father of independence of Burma
from the British Rule, Nobel Peace Laureate must take an
exemplary stand for Justice for Rohyngias. Unfortunately,
as long as the Military Rule continues, she is more
concerned about her own survival than the survival of a
small religious minority. Trying to change the constitution
to end military rule could lead to her ultimate sacrifice
for REHUMANISM. Best
wishes to you all,Zillur
Khan
Zillur R. Khan,
Ph.D.Rosebush Professor
Emeritus,University of
Wisconsin, andAdjunct
Professor, Rollins College, USAChair, RC-37, IPSA (http://rc37.ipsa.org/)President , Bangladesh
Foundationwww.bangladesh-foundation.org
On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:57 AM, Outlook Team <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
From: Zoglul Husain (zoglul@hotmail.co.uk)
Thank you, Abid Bahar Bhai, for sharing.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1
0/12/world/asia/myanmar-diplom acy-ethnic-cleansing.html
Hands
Tied by Old Hope, Diplomats in Myanmar Stay Silent
www.nytimes.com
As the humanitarian crisis for Rohingya Muslims worsens,
envoys are reluctant to criticize Aung San Suu Kyi even
though they seem to have been frozen out.
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Asia
Pacific
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News Analysis
Hands Tied by Old Hope, Diplomats in Myanmar
Stay Silent
By
HANNAH
BEECHOCT.
12, 2017
Rohingya
refugees outside Cox's Bazar, in Bangladesh, last month.
More than half a million Rohingya Muslims have fled to
Bangladesh
since late August, and hundreds of thousands more still in
Myanmar may still be trying to cross the border.
Credit
Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times
YANGON, Myanmar — It is unfolding again:
Troops have unleashed fire and rape and indiscriminate
slaughter on a vulnerable minority, driving hundreds of
thousands of civilians to flee and creating a humanitarian
emergency that crosses borders.
A crisis in Myanmar that
many saw coming has brought a host of uncomfortable
questions along with it: Why did the world — which
promised "never again" after Rwanda and Bosnia, then
Sudan and Syria — seemingly do so little to forestall an
ethnic cleansing campaign by Myanmar's military?
And what can be done now to address the urgent humanitarian
calamity caused when more than half of Myanmar's ethnic
Rohingya Muslims fled the country over just a few
weeks?
Outside Myanmar, criticism of its military
has mounted. The United Nations secretary general, António
Guterres, has urged "unfettered access" for
international agencies and called the Rohingya crisis "the
world's fastest-developing refugee emergency
and a humanitarian and human rights
nightmare."
President Emmanuel Macron of France has
called it genocide. And there is talk, although still
tentative, of the European Union's renewing targeted
sanctions on people culpable in the violence that has driven
the Rohingya from their homes in Rakhine,
a state in western Myanmar.
But in Yangon, Myanmar's
commercial capital, where the diplomatic corps is based,
there is still reluctance to call to task publicly either
the military or the civilian administration led by Daw Aung
San Suu Kyi. Some diplomats
say they are trying to preserve whatever influence they may
have left, in order to avert an even worse
catastrophe.
Related Coverage
Rohingya
Recount Atrocities: 'They Threw My Baby Into a
Fire' OCT. 11, 2017
In
Grim Camps, Rohingya Suffer on 'Scale That We Couldn't
Imagine' SEPT. 29, 2017
Helping
the Rohingya SEPT. 29, 2017
More than half a million Rohingya Muslims
have fled to Bangladesh since late August, when a Rohingya
militant attack on Myanmar security posts catalyzed a brutal
counteroffensive. Hundreds of thousands more remaining in
Myanmar may still be trying
to cross the border. Those who cannot flee are trapped and
hungry in northern Rakhine, according to anecdotal evidence
collected by international aid agencies, which the
government has largely prevented from delivering relief
supplies or even assessing need
in the region.
Aung
San Suu Kyi supporters at an 'Interreligious Gathering of
Prayers for Peace' organized by her party in Yangon
on
Tuesday.Credit Adam
Dean for The New York Times
"There are few places on Earth where we are
denied access to this extent," said Jan Egeland, the
secretary general of the Norwegian Refugee Council. "We
have an office in northern Rakhine, we have staff there, we
have supplies there, we could
go tomorrow
with our trucks — but we are being stopped. This is
illegal, this is intolerable."
I spoke to half a dozen ambassadors and
senior aid agency staff members in Yangon about what the
problem was. All asked to speak off the record.
There are many reasons for their reticence,
but a major one is this: Myanmar has been presented as a
success story, despite a host of economic and ethnic
problems.
Elections
in 2015 elevated Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace
Prize laureate whose name was once
a byword for acts of conscience, and seemed to usher in a
chance for democracy to take hold.
But whatever authority she has, as the
nation's state counselor, is dwarfed by that of a military
that ruled for nearly half a century and continues to
monopolize power.
Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi is not the one ordering
Rohingya villages to be burned down or civilians to be
massacred. That firepower lies with the Tatmadaw,
Myanmar's military, led by Senior Gen. Min Aung
Hlaing.
In a Facebook post on
Thursday recounting his meeting with the
United States ambassador, Scot Marciel, the military chief
called reports of a large exodus of Rohingya
to Bangladesh an "exaggeration." He reiterated that
Rohingya were "not the natives" of Myanmar.
Monks
praying in Bengala Monastery in Yangon, this month. Over the
past year or so, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi has played to hatred
of Rohingya Muslims among Myanmar's Buddhist
majority. Credit Adam
Dean for The New York Times
Diplomats say Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi used to
express sympathy for the Rohingya in private, explaining
that she could not speak out because of widespread hatred
for them among Myanmar's Buddhist majority. But over the
past year or so, she has played
to that prejudice, referring instead to the Rohingya as
illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.
In a televised address on
Thursday, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi pushed back
against international criticism and promised to personally
oversee efforts to bring peace to Rakhine
and repatriate those who have fled to
Bangladesh.
In the speech, as in an address delivered to
foreign envoys last month, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi declined to
tackle accusations that the military has unleashed arson,
murder and rape on the Rohingya.
Despite Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi's
obfuscations, diplomats in Yangon have tended to avoid
increasing public pressure. Veteran observers of Myanmar's
military, which has long faced condemnation for its
brutality toward civilians and ethnic minorities,
have warned that an international shaming of a disgraced
Nobel laureate is just what the generals want.
"She gets all the criticism, and then the
Tatmadaw gets to quietly do what it wants and what it has
done for decades, which is to burn villages and terrorize
ethnic areas," said David Scott Mathieson, a longtime
human-rights researcher in Myanmar.
Foreign envoys here are mindful of the
complex politics. A nation does not emerge from 50 years of
military dictatorship without political wounds, they say,
asserting that pushing Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, whose famous
resolve can tend toward obduracy,
could be counterproductive.
One senior Western envoy said that with no
real coordination between military and civilian officials,
weeks of flying back and forth to talk with them had come to
nothing. The diplomat called it "by far the most
frustrating issue I've ever worked
on."
Rohingya
in a camp in Sittwe, Rakhine, this month. The Myanmar
government has prevented international aid agencies from
delivering relief supplies or even assessing need in the
area. Credit Adam
Dean for The New York Times
Mr. Egeland, who once served as the United
Nations' under secretary general for humanitarian affairs,
has grown impatient.
"I would like to issue a terse message to
the diplomats," he said. "I would like to disagree that
it is a complicated situation. It is very simple: When
humanitarians are not allowed to help civilians, people
die."
For its part, the United Nations in Myanmar
commissioned an internal report, submitted in April, that
warned against soft-pedaling on human rights to placate the
military or the civilian authority.
"Trade-offs between advocacy and access,"
the report said, "have in practice deprioritized human
rights and humanitarian action, which are seen as
complicating and undermining relations with
government."
The report's author, Richard Horsey, noted
how quickly the honeymoon period after the 2015 elections
had subsided.
"We shouldn't be surprised that the
landing spot for Myanmar's transition may be as one more
Southeast Asian nation with authoritarian tendencies, rising
nationalism and ethnic tensions," he said. "But Myanmar
should aspire to be so much better
than that."
Certainly, few countries enjoyed as much
international good will as Myanmar did, at a time when the
world was desperate for a positive narrative.
A
burned house in Gawdu Zara village, in Rakhine state, last
month. International aid workers with years of experience in
Rakhine say that they have never seen the situation so
grave. Credit Associated
Press
"Western donors and the U.N. have not
always been helpful," said Charles Petrie, a former United
Nations resident coordinator in Myanmar, noting "the
refusal for a long time to let go of the fairy-tale view of
Myanmar with Aung San Suu Kyi coming
to power and the corresponding refusal to push back on some
of her dogmatic positions."
Mr. Petrie drew comparisons with South Sudan,
where the world was "so taken by the narrative of a new
country emerging from northern enslavement that the signs of
the emerging violence were ignored."
International aid workers with years of
experience in Rakhine say they have never seen the situation
so grave.
Brad Hazlett of Partners Relief and
Development, a Christian charity that has provided food aid
to the Rohingya, said he had been prevented from visiting
internment camps this month in the state capital, Sittwe,
that he had visited dozens of
times before.
"I think their strategy is to starve them
out," he said.
Abul Hashim, a Rohingya from the northern
Rakhine village of Anauk Pyin, described by cellphone how a
team of ambassadors and United Nations officials had gone to
the community on Oct. 2 as part of a stage-managed
government trip. The crowds
of officials who had helicoptered in promised food aid to
the village.
But for nearly 10 days, Mr. Hashim said, his
community has received nothing. For three months, none of
the Rohingya have been allowed to step outside the village,
he said. They have had no access to doctors or schools. All
he, his wife, their
three daughters and three sons had eaten that day was less
than a pound of rice and some water.
"Our sorrows," he said, "know no
bounds."
AKM Moinuddin contributed reporting from
Dhaka, Bangladesh.
Follow Hannah Beech on Twitter:
@hkbeech.
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