Dear Alochoks Zahid and Haque
There is nore to progressiveness than capitalism. And there is nmore to Islam than fundamentalism.
Let us come to the point.
Is the madrassah system essential for Bangladesh? How can we bring all our youngsters into one education system?
Compromises are needed. Closing the madrassah system without catering for at least part of the ethos underpinning their existence will not work. Whether religion is dogma or not is irrelevant - because thats not a debate - it is civil war. Thats not a war we cannot afford to have.
We need a limited number State sponsored and State controlled seminaries to train young men to enter preachng and leading prayer in our mosques. A consultative body should be formed to work with the government and form the texts for religious instruction.
Anyone who thinks attacking the madrassah system is attacking on Islam better be ready to defend the quality of the average imam in Bangladesh.
Similarly anyone who thinks that Islam is dogma and all madrassahs should be shut down irrespective of people's feelings does not have a clue about a large part of our national cahracter.
Islam is not going away. It is here to stay. We need to find the way forward, we need to find the balance. This will take leadership and dialogue - neither of which is possible under either Nethri.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Mohd. Haque" <haquetm83@.. .> wrote:
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> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Let the truth be said.
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
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> What is progressive idea? and What is not so progressive idea to him? And what are the differences between the two? that relates to Islam in his view with credible facts from the quran.
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> What is fear and dogma? what Islam's edicts in his view are dogmatic and fearful? Must provide with credible references from the Quran.
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> What is faith? is Islam a faith? what makes a faith a faith? Let's not get away this guy with his sinful intent to misguide us with his narrow political opportunist.
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> Is it politics or agression that when one nation sends 100 or 200 hundred thousands of its heavily armed troops across a border and subjugates its peace loving people and kills three millions of her citizens? If it requires a faith then Hindus and chrisnity faith have done that.
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> I had asked of him in the past of how the word science speak for itself have not got any response ever since.
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> I want him to answer these questions as he rightfully recogniszed that the politicians are rarely intellectuals or social reformers. so i want him to fill the intellectual and reformers gap of politicans for us.
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> One thing I find of this fellow's views are consistent with Cyrus' views in terms of India's disunification and reunification motives are playing in their respective propaganda technique. or perhaps Cyrus and Akbar are the same person in two different names as an RAW agent working for india's interest?
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> Which other country splits its young boys into two distinct and opposing groups at a young age? It is social and political suicide. Oh wait! Pakistan does it too!
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> > No problems regarding our segregated education system are about to start. The problems have already started. The trouble is that our chicken**** political parties have no backbone to tackle the real social problems of our country. Far easy to talk about the past, tease the opposition and get the Japanese to build another bridge.
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> > I have no problem admitting that there are good madrassahs and good madrassah students. But that does not justify tearing the heart of our country in two. We need dialogue and leadership to bring all our young into the same classroom. Maybe we need to bring Islam more into our mainstream education. Whatever the solution is let the dialogue begin for God's sake.
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> > Look at Awami League's parliamentary majority! Look at the rhetoric of Awami League! Is now not the best time to address the issue of madrassah education? But they won't. Cowards.
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> > But all governments are the same. Complain about ngos but do nothing about them when in power. Complain about madrassahs but do nothing about them when in power. Just to save money. Filthy, filthy thinking.
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> > I have met a lot of fine men who had a madrassah education when they were young. I have met a lot of fine men who have argued for the madrassah system.
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> > Not one of them sent their children to a madrassah.
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> > > Bangladesh to stop all Madrasah. I don't like the system of  Madrasah
> > > anyway but creating fear to create division among muslim will not serve us well.
> > >  What need is useful education for all, good science and math  teacher at Madrasah.
> > > Only then there will have even plane field for all.
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> > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com, bangla-vision@ yahoogroups. com, reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com
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> > > Hate campaign against Qawmi Madrasah or madrash education (islmaic education) is nothing but orchestrating or creating a fear factors and solely diverted against Islam or Muslims.
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> > > While they (those preachers under the guise of secularism or else) enormously become successful in their relentless endeavor to bring Muslim down (which they will of course deny) that also goes hand in hand with the imperialist design or hegemonic control - as part of their so called security reason or foreign policy there of (which most of the Bangladeshi diasphora in the west even at denial state -calls it imaginary).
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> > > Wish they understood what means education, save the religious belief, or right to education for all. Had they understood, they would tell, atleast uttered in some form that a prototype of Qawmi system that is cheapest, generous, self generated and self regulated -i.e without any frame work of regulations and control may be copied so that vast majority of poorest can access some form of education - free and often with food incentive.
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> > > Had they understood, instead, they would have spirited enthusiasm to modify or develop the structure to facilitate so that a son or a daughter of a peasant who earns less than a dollar, can not pay for tuition, often for food even, can learn how to read his history, manage his own account (basic math) and know his creator and the virtues in life.
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> > > Because their crocodile tears for 'right and education' only to deceive those poor learners from any form of education while the whole governement mechanism sit lam duck on the issue with many pretexts. Exactly that is what they cry for.
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> > > Looking at the structured education and its quality and the way those preachers dominate ruthlessly under the protection of their protector only made bangladeshi education and its institutions breeding place for corruption and its breeders. 37 years on, they have achieved very little and have no intention to improve it. they may be complacent with their so called reform program but I am not and can not be. Because I want real education that is effective and pragmatic and knowledge bearing, whether in literature, science, politics, economics, religion or anthropology.
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> > > For a true learner there is no short cut to knowledge, a meticulous process without any hinderance is the only way to earn it. As there is no short cut to heaven, no quick process to get enlightened also.
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> > > Those half educated Mollah at Qawmi or Alia Madrasahs and politically appointed professors or teachers in our schools do nothing good but bring chaos and undermine our desperate effort to climb the ladder.
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> > > If little educated (who can only get employed here to make a living) Mollas are dangerous with their short cut theories to heaven so is those subservient, parasital, politically appointed or privileged teachers. And this is the truth. Either you are with those poors or with those perpatrators. You are free to choose your option.
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> > > (Those fear mongers learnt their lesson from Hitler's policy of creating fear before the onslaught. I do not see the leader who could say to us 'you have nothing to fear but fear itself')
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> > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, Akbar Hussain akbar_50@ wrote:
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> > > From: Akbar Hussain akbar_50@
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Let the truth be said.
> > > To: "alochona group" alochona@yahoogroup s.com
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> > > There is a long standing conviction among the conservative Muslim circle that Madrassa education is holy and essential to continue Islamic teachings. This belief in the Madrassa education was never shared by the majority in the Islamic communities around the world. The reality is that most of the Muslim children go for modern education avoiding institutional religious learning. But the demons created in the Madrassas around the world harvest on the fear factor which is the main pillar of Islam.  To be frank Madrassa education is there to produce some most reactionary minds ready to challenge the changing times and modern enlightenments. It’s a wrong perception that Islam should stand alone as a religion and should still continue to claim that it’s a complete code of life. A philosophical basis of life does not depend on any faiths specific preaching’s. This wrong historical fallacy is the only curricula that are being taught in
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> > > perpetual platform for conflict is created. The notion of a supreme fear which was used by Prophet Mohammad to discipline the pagan Arabs of Mecca has travelled to these days which still dominate the general Muslim psyche. The evil of fear can’t be accepted to guide a person’s life in his search for goodness. It’s tantamount to serving Satan in the name of religion. There is an unbearable and deafening silence among the Muslims to confront the evil of religious extremism is self destructive. In a sleepy village of Bhola in Bangladesh arms and ammunition has been discovered in a Madrassa funded by a fundamentalist from London . Who is the enemy in Bangladesh ? An 85% Muslim nation? Looking at the current upsurge of Islamic extremism one can safely conclude that Islam as a faith is helpless to guide its followers to the right path. Time has come to realize that every suicide bomber is potentially destroying a minaret of Islam.
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