Dear Alochok Shamim
I also agree with you and Saber Hossain Chowdhury that extra judicial killings should be stopped immediately.
But though your argument is just you are both essentially insincere because you know the full truth but will not speak the full truth. Because you will not allow justice to impede upon the comfort of your Nethri.
Which is why it is the grandest waste of time to participate in elegant debates about the rights and wrongs of policies from an ethical standpoint with politcial activists. Its a diversion from the ugly truth. And you, and Saber, are knowingly or unknowingly, engaged in these prettily disguised ugly diversions.
Thats why you have neither the capacity or the morals to hold the democratically elected government of your choice accountable for crimes such as extra judicial killings. So nice of you to discuss why so many common people approve of extra judicial killings. So typical of you not to hold your own party responsible for perpetuating environment that makes such opinions possible.
Come to the point.
Extra judicial killings are officially sanctioned, if not case by case then by blanket exemption.
The same way you won't hold the democratic government of Bangladesh accountable for extra judicial killings of BDR jawans by the Army. Possibly you don't mind as a democrat - ie a Bangladeshi democrat.
Real wolves fight like wolves. It is people who fight like wolves in sheeps clothing. Animals are better than humans in many ways...
How sick it is to see activists blaming the people for accepting extra judicial killings without holding their own ruling party accountable. And writing such noble articles as if the Nethri is Napoleon or Caesar and we are politely requesting them to turn their divine attention to the issue of extra judicial killings.
Come to the point. Dancing around the truth like teenagers at their first disco is ridiculous at your age.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@...> wrote:
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> I agree with Parliamentarian Saber Hossain Chowdhury, extra judicial killing continues with impunity. No one disagree about ongoing killing without judicial process, process that been systematically been used since 2004 from the day launching elite force name RAB.
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> When the normal expectation that all citizens would condemn killing, whether we agree or not, a large- very large segment of our society support extra judicial killing by RAB and other law enforcement agency. Question can be raised, why?
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> It is nothing but breakdown of normal human behavior under stress, what stress?
> Stress from not getting law enforcing agencies on your side when something goes wrong
> Stress from been attacked in the street
> Stress from getting phone calls for ransom after been picked by miscreants
> Stress from muggers in the street to hoodlums in your own backyard trying to extort you
> Your sister or wife goes into the street and encounter harsh eve teasing
> Stress from you try to run business, extortionist come after you, you try to build a house in own property they come to collect toll.
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> Criminals do what they can do best, intimidate you. However, police fails to do what they should be doing best, protect you. Who is failing here? Who is deviated from their normal behavior? The police or the criminals!
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> Who is supposed to protect you from all these evil things happening to you and your family? POLICE, but they fail to protect you rather in good number of cases they patronize the perpetrators. What you can do? You can file complain which you are reluctant to do because you do not want to pick up a fight against the powerful being a powerless. You pray to God, RAB kills one, and you think God is answering your call.
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> Nonsense, but that makes sense to you, you know why? Â Because you are having a serious nervous breakdown. Acknowledge it, its not God but demons are answering your call. You want justice but not by doing injustice to another person.
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> Graveyard is a very quiet serene place but you do not want the peace and serenity of graveyard into your bedroom or business boardroom. Demand for what is right, justice. However, hate what is not right and say it loud, extra judicial killing is wrong, it is against the humanity. It is what they (miscreants) do, breaking the law, if you support bending the law then you are one of them. Do not do or support what a beast do then you turn your self from human to demon.
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> Government must take firm initiative to stop extra judicial killing. Government must do everything to protect people’s right to their property and life. There is no shortcut; the only shortcut is which takes you to hell. I pray that the Member of Parliament come to their realization and do the right thing, make extra judicial killing an offence punishable by incarceration and hefty fine.
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> I praise Honorable MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury for taking a bold step bringing the bill to the parliament though it seems politically incorrect in an environment where killers get impunity with cheers from the government as well as citizen. One BIG wrong cannot and shall not be corrected with another GIANT wrong. Leaders show the path when path seems ending. Bravo Mr. Saber Hossain Chowdhury.
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> Sincerely
> Shamim Chowdhury
> Maryland, USA
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> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Syed Aslam <syed.aslam3@...> wrote:
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> From: Syed Aslam <syed.aslam3@...>
> Subject: Saber places bill to stop 'crossfire' killings
> To: "Khobor" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <SonarBangladesh@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:15 AM
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> Saber Hossain Chowdhury
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> Saber places bill to stop 'crossfire' killings
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> Thu, Sep 10th, 2009 4:37 pm BdST
> Dhaka, Sept 10 (bdnews24.com)â€"Ruling Awami League MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury has placed a bill in parliament proposing life-term sentence to perpetrators of killings in custody of law-enforcement agencies.
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> Chowdhury brought the bill in the wake of a recent spate of killings of a number of alleged criminals by elite force RAB and police in so-called 'crossfire' and 'encounters'.
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> Another militant outlaw was killed in alleged shootout with police and RAB early on Thursday in Kushtia, taking the total number of dead to eight in the last two weeks.
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> The MP presented two bills -- Torture and Custody Death (Prevention) Bill 2009 and Resisting Eviction of Slum Dwellers from Government Land Bill 2009, which have been sent for scrutiny to the relevant parliamentary committees.
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> In his written statement, Chowdhury said: "The state organisations, particularly the law enforcers forget the basic rights of people. It cannot be possible to ensure justice in many cases.
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> "People are tortured on various excuses through the administration and police forces. They face brutal torture at various times under the custody of law. Even deaths are taking place frequently in security custody."
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> The former AL organising secretary in his bill proposed life term and at least Tk 1 lakh fine for the perpetrators if found guilty.
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> Home minister Sahara Khatun has claimed that no extra-judicial killing was taking place during the crackdown in the southwest.
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> "Those who are getting killed are dying in gun battles with the police and RAB," she said last Sunday.
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> 'Odhikar', a human rights organisation, said at least 19 people were killed in August across the country in so-called 'crossfire, encounter or gunfight'.
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> Of the deceased, 10 allegedly belonged to different underground militant outfits.
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> According to available figures, a total 577 people died in 472 'crossfire' incidents across the country since RAB was constituted on March 26, 2004.
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> The High Court on June 29 ordered the government to explain why killing without trial in so-called crossfire or encounter will not be declared illegal.
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> It also asked why departmental and criminal actions should not be taken against those who perpetrate such killings in custody and outside.
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> The shooting incidents are commonly reported as 'crossfire' in the media, a term which has come to imply 'suspicious' or extra-judicial killings.
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> Most recently, controversy was sparked when two polytechnic students were killed in RAB 'crossfire' in the capital in early June.
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> Former state minister for home Tanjim Ahmed had said the RAB had launched a departmental investigation into the death of the two students.
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> According to rights group Odhikar, 322 people were killed during the last two years of the caretaker government led by Fakhruddin Ahmed in "crossfire".
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> Prime minister Sheikh Hasina herself announced in February that the extrajudicial killings perpetrated during the tenure of the military-installed interim government would be investigated.
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> International and local rights groups, including Amnesty International, US-based Human Rights Watch, Transparency International, Bangladesh and Odhikar, over past decades have frequently expressed concern over the rate of extra-judicial killings in the country.
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> HRW, in May, in a damning report, suggested 'elite' security forces such as Rapid Action Battalion and the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence (DGFI) be disbanded.
> http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=142364&hb=3
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> Saber places bill to stop custodial killngs
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎4 hours ago‎
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> Dhaka, Sept 10 (bdnews24.com)â€"Ruling Awami League MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury has placed a bill in parliament proposing life-term sentence to perpetrators of ...
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> AmaderSomoy:
> http://www.amadershomoy.com/content/2009/09/10/middle0349.htm
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> Related:
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> Rab official accused of 'crossfire threat'
> The Daily Star - ‎Aug 16, 2009‎
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> She alleged as she did not tell them where Pinju lives, they threatened to kill her son in 'crossfire' if she does not hand him over to them. ...
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> Detained 'criminal' killed in city 'crossfire'
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Aug 18, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Aug 19 (bdnews24.com)â€"An alleged criminal was killed in a gunfight with RAB after arrest at Agargaon in the capital early on Wednesday. ...
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> 'Top outlaw' dies in gunfight in RAB custody
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Sep 8, 2009‎
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> Anwar Hossain, 37, son of Aman Malitha from Gachherdiar of Doulatpur upazila, was arrested by the intelligence squad of RAB in Dhaka on Tuesday evening, ...
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> 3 killed in 'crossfire' in Savar, Khulna
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Aug 26, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Aug 26 (bdnews24.com)â€"Two alleged gangsters and an outlaw were killed in 'gunfights' between their cohorts and the RAB and police early on Wednesday ...
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> No extrajudicial killings occurring: Sahara
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Sep 6, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Sept 6 (bdnews24.com)--Home minister Sahara Khatun has said that the ongoing crackdown on outlaws and extremists in the southwest is based on a list ...
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> Outlaws in Khulna division show no sign of let-up
> The Daily Star - Quazi Amanullah - ‎21 hours ago‎
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> Since 2003, over 500 extremists have been killed in 'crossfire' incidents during quite a few crackdowns by law enforcers including Rab, sources said. ...
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