Excellent comments! White Americans are not street smart. They are inexperienced and naive in their world-views. They have neglected for so long educating Americans the history of the world civilization and the progress of the religious fundamentalism in the world. Their leaders are mostly self-centered and are looking for personal gains rather than the National interests. As a result, leaders take wrong decisions most of the times. One President puts the missile defense, another pulls it out. They do not care about billions of dollars, if not trillions, invested and lost in the process. Who pays for these, the stupid tax-payers, like you and me, and country goes broke? They do not understand that the problem is not going away if they close the shop in Afghanistan. This battle has to be fought, if not today, it will be tomorrow.
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From: SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Defeat of Talibans inevitable
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Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:51 AM
Bring back our troops? For what? You want to enjoy the milk and honey and don't want to earn it with your blood and sweat? You say they are fighting for 72 virgins over there and what are we fighting for? We are fighting for 72 over here—what's the difference? Search for the Truth is riddled with unimaginable hardship. let's travel this path with ultimate courage and conviction. As Gandhiji so eloquently said, 'One man standing for Truth makes a majority'. These Talibans are the symbol of militant Islam---bold, reckless, sense-less, suicidal, materialistic, sparing nothing, fearing nothing, and contemptuous of the infidel powers. You, I, Putin, and Obama--must become as bold, as reckless, as senseless, as suicidal, spare nothing, fear nothing and contemptuous of the forces of darkness and the forces of backwardness. Time has come for us, the Americans, to take one last stand. This is our defining moment. This is the moment that defines the testicular fortitude of a proud people. This is the stuff the Great Nations are made of. This is our moment of truth—to live with dignity or to die with dignity—there cannot be any other option. If we abandon Afghanistan —the Talibans will win and take the country to the days of 7th Century Arabia . Progressive forces will immigrate to the West, Women's fate will be sealed, human rights vanished, and constitutional form of Government can kiss its ass good bye. It is very tempting for us to make a deal with them. Mr. President--please don't. If we abdicate our historical responsibility, for the sake of expediency, we will be condemned by the history and it will be the beginning of the end. For the survival of the Human Race--We the Americans must defeat the Talibans--just as we had decisively defeated Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and Totalitarism. The alternative is another bloodbath, destabilization in Pakistan , a civil war and a possible Nuclear Armageddon. SaifDevdas
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To: mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com From: tarekfatah@rogers. com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:36:29 -0400 Subject: [mukto-mona] We've lost the war in Afghanistan: Now recall the troops
"This sham must end. So long as we remain unwilling to challenge the ideology of jihad, let us admit defeat and retreat." Tarek Fatah The National PostEight years after 9/11 and over a trillion dollars later, with tens of thousands dead and Iraq and Afghanistan devastated, it is time to come to terms with the writing on the wall: We have lost the war. The Islamist jihadis have won it. We must acknowledge defeat and bring our troops home. In a war between those who desire death and those who treasure their RRSPs and IRAs, the outcome is predictable. Canadian soldiers are professional, but mission-less armies have never fared well on the battlefield. American soldiers, who enlist primarily with the objective of obtaining a college degree, will never be able to defeat their counterparts, who view their freshman year as starting in paradise on the banks of rivers of milk and honey surrounded by 72 virgins. There were times when the West faced tyrants with vigour and bravery, ready to sacrifice its sons so that freedom and equality would not be compromised. Tens of thousands of young Canadian men died fighting the Nazis and their parents and citizenry held back their tears. Today, only 130 men have died, but Canadians are reacting as if it were 130,000. A people unwilling to make sacrifices do not deserve to fight wars, let alone win them. Mohamed Atta and his boys must be laughing at us, mocking us from heaven. They were sent to attack us, armed with an ideology financed by Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood. And who did we attack? Not Saudi Arabia. No, we made it worse by declaring our sworn enemy as our ally and then pounding on Afghanistan and then Iraq. Today we lie at the mercy of the Taliban on one hand and are threatened by the infiltration of extremist Islamists at all levels of government and civic society in the U.K., U.S. and Canada on the other. The great Anglo-Saxon alliance that helped defeat the Nazi war machinery in less than four years is abandoning the battle ground of ideas, quietly surrendering its own heritage of European Enlightenment, secular liberal democracy and universal human rights to the seemingly harmless doctrine of post-modernist multiculturalism that has embraced Islamism. Today, as British troops fight the Islamist jihadis in Helmand province, one of their own Cabinet Ministers, Shahid Malik, makes the public claim that within five years, Britain will have 16 Muslim MPs, and within 30 years, the country will have a Muslim Prime Minister. In the U.S., a bumbling President who knows the threat of Islamism and the Muslim Brotherhood ideology very well still bends over backwards and welcomes the bearers of this doctrine into his inner circle. Imagine fighting the U.S.S.R. without confronting the ideology of Stalinism. Could we have won? Not a chance. Today we are fighting Islamist jihadism, yet neither Obama nor the British PM nor Harper or Ignatieff dare utter one word against the ideology that attacked us all on 9/11. So what is this war for? To sustain the 60,000 private corporations that feed what Eisenhower referred to as the American Military-Industrial complex? What is our professional Canadian army doing in Afghanistan if Obama is reaching out to accommodate the very ideology that created the Taliban and al-Qaeda? This is insanity. Bring back our troops, not because I do not wish to inflict a defeat on the jihadis, but because we are being betrayed by NATO and the U.S., who sent them there. If we and our American-British allies do not have the spine to challenge the Islamist doctrines, send our soldiers home. To fight malaria, we need to drain the swamp, not kill individual mosquitoes, one at a time. Our young men and women must not be gun fodder for the profiteers who befriend the Saudis, but bomb the Afghans while trading with the Iranian ayatollahs. This sham must end. So long as we remain unwilling to challenge the ideology of jihad, let us admit defeat and retreat
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