I know many people can't make a connection between my name and my views. The synthesis is that a person with a Muslim name is not allowed to talk free and differ from your views which is dogmatic and does not sit in the couch as science and logic does. If blind faith is the foundation of your views our debate will be stagnant and boring. In the 7th century Muhammad was right for his times but in 21st century you are wrong for your times. The time of the pagan Arabs have passed a long time ago, human knowledge have advanced beyond any limits, therefore those 7th century fables are completely obsolete now. If you stick to those dead ideas it's your personal freedom, no sensible and pragmatic person will share your perceptions.
The notion of worshipping is a superfluous act. But people use it to acknowledge their limits based on their depth of emotion which is again based on helplessness. A piece of land where you live and grow your food to survive does not deserve to be praised, as you have said. Jono gono mono adhinayaka, Pak sar zameen saad baad, or Amar sonar Bangla or in our
On a philosophical note I would tell you that an epoch is fast approaching when all the institutionalized religions will merge into one and that will be based on humanism. The posterity will call us ignorant if we do not realize this sure eventuality. The story of Gabriel, Muhammad's ascension to the heavens, Jesuse's heavenly conception and birth all will be bed time stories. By sticking to these fables and by ignoring the importance of logic and science we do not help the progress of knowledge. My name is not an obstacle in this process; it's the immovable position of people like you who are trying to stop the march of time.
It's an unpardonable crime to divide the humanity in the name of faith.
Akbar Hussain
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From: qrahman@netscape.net
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:55:28 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [ALOCHONA] BONDE MATAROM GROUP Staged "Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" drama in Dhaka
" Once I told a Muslim friend of mine that worshipping the Shiva Linga and kissing the Black stone in the house of Kaba is nothing different"He could not gather any logic to answer me
I request you to use your "Indian" name in this forum. The Arab smelling name you are using probably not your "Real" name........
I will advise people like you to be generous in your perceptions and view thing in a wider perspective.
There is a another hypothesis that, you were talking to a coconut and imagining it as your friend. Muslims with average knowledge of religion should be able to explain the difference. I am being generous with two possible views as per your request!!
With due respect to you ( Whatever your name is) I have serious doubt about your knowledge of Islam or Hinduism. Kissing black stone has NO religious significance to Muslims [ Yes I can produce religious texts if you like to learn more]. However Shiva Lingam in Hindu custom is a whole different game!! [ To put it mildly]. It is a deity!!
Muslims [ During time of prophet Muhammad(PBUH)] used to stand on Kaba's and gave Azan [ Call to prayer]. People can easily finish their Hajj without physically kissing the black stone. By kissing the stone we show our love for Prophet Abraham and Muhammad (PBUT). Nothing more than that.
I may disagree with some views of Farida Majid but I respect her. She is sincere in whatever she stands for. I agree with her in many areas like empowerment of women and increase tolerance in our soceity.
Reverting to "Bande matarom" for a minute. I am well aware that, most people do not see it as communal song. Mostly it is used to show love for "Mother India". Which is fine.
However if you go by the words of that song and analyze them according to religious scriptures, knowledgeable Muslims would be troubled by it. According to Islam, we should ONLY worship Allah. "Bande" urges us to worship motherland and it goes against the core spirit of monotheistic Islam [ All Abrahamic faiths( Islam, Judaism and Christianity) teaches us that]. We can surely love,praise and protect our respective lands of birth but Muslims consciously cannot take part in "Worshipping"[ Bandana] land or similar rituals. Muslims can freely praise and pray to God who gave us our motherlands and other bounties of life.
Actually it is a small difference. We praise God who gave us countries we love instead of praise a piece of land which does not have life of its own [ Or any genuine feeling]. At least God knows when you are thanking God. A lifeless land have no way of appreciating your love for her [ According to Islamic logic----no disrespect to different customs. Just want to explain the differences].
Shanti & Shalom.
--qr
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:05:26 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] BONDE MATAROM GROUP Staged "Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" drama in Dhaka
In the resolution titled "Dhaka Declaration", the conference also called on international community for extending support to the process that Bangladesh government has initiated to try the war criminals.
The resolution was adopted at concluding session of the conference following daylong discussions attended by delegates including human rights activists, lawyers and experts from 11 countries.
The resolution said the trial of war criminals in Bangladesh would discourage the culture of impunity and urged international community "to unite against the culture of impunity to prevent genocides and war crimes from recurring."
Countries affected by terrorism and regional extremism were also urged to support the proposed regional taskforce, a taskforce proposed by Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina, to combat religious extremism and terrorism.
The resolution also emphasized strict measures to check money laundering for what they said, "fundamentalist organisations across the world are using different NGOs, Banks and various financial institutions to finance militancy and terrorism through money laundering."
Building a domestic and regional secular humanist network by civil societies and governments across the world was also urged upon.
The conference also called upon Pakistan to take effective measures to curb and eliminate religious militancy, repeal anti-Ahmadiyya laws and blasphemy laws.
Earlier, during its inauguration, speakers from home and abroad urged all countries to form an inter-continental network based on secularism.
"Religious fundamentalism in many forms and faces has become a great problem. There is no time to lose. With cooperation from all we must cut it out globally before it is too late. Otherwise humanism will be in jeopardy," said Prof Kabir Chowdhury, president of the advisory committee of Ekattorer Ghatak Dalal Nirmul Committee.
"If there are Muslim fundamentalists in Pakistan, there must be Hindu fundamentalists in India. If there is Hindu fundamentalists in India, there is no way to resist Muslim fundamentalists in Bangladesh," said former speaker of India PA Sangma.
Former speaker of Nepal Daman Dhungana said that democracy couldn't be achieved without overcoming religious extremism.
"Individually it is tough to overcome this, but globally it can be done," he added.
Prof Shafaraj Khan from Pakistan, Prof Maxim Dubayev from Russia, terrorism expert Chris Blackburn from UK, Cecilia Wikstrom, member of MEP, Sweden, Parvin Najfgholi Ardalan, human right activist from Iran and Attorney William Sloan also spoke in the inaugural session. Journalist Shahriar Kabir conducted the programme.
Speakers also discussed Jamaat-e-Islami's link with international terrorist organizations.
"Trial of war criminal is necessary for strengthening the foundation of democracy. It is a matter of great shame that collaborators were reinstated in Bangladesh politics," said Dr Peter Custers from The Netherlands in his speech during inaugural session.
He also mentioned that European countries politically support this effort of war crimes trial and suggested taking assistance from international lawyers.
"It's never too late for justice. Time is always now. It is always the right time to punish crime against humanity," said William Sloan.
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Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:58 am
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] BONDE MATAROM GROUP Staged "Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" drama in Dhaka
Very well said Mr. Islam,
To understand Farida Majid you have to travel a long way from the 7th century Arabia to India, the land where our forefathers were born and raised. Your culture, food, language and your features are all Indian but you love to think to be an Arab. Your motherland's praise makes you hateful but you love to kiss the hand of a Saudi mullah. Joy Bangla is a Hindu word to you but Zindabad makes you happy. Your mother tongue smells infidel to you but an Arabic word takes you to the heavens. What a miserable ignorance, what a mean interpretation? What a narrow understanding?
A few weeks before I met an Indian Muslim man in full Saudi dress. I asked him if he was an Arab. He said no' but this is my Islamic dress. I reminded him that Muhammad's sworn enemies such as Abu Zahel also wore the same dress as Muhammad but to you why this dress has become so holly? He declined to answer because a fool can't understand logic. Once I told a Muslim friend of mine that worshipping the Shiva Linga and kissing the Black stone in the house of Kaba is nothing different. He could not gather any logic to answer me. I will advise people like you to be generous in your perceptions and view thing in a wider perspective.
If you have the courage to respond to my comments come on but do not ignore me by taking me as an enemy of Islam. Ignorance and dogmatism are the most powerful and potent enemies of Islam, it's not me or Farida Majid.
Akbar Hussain
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From: aminul_islam_
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:05:26 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] BONDE MATAROM GROUP Staged "Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" drama in Dhaka
Dear All,
I am familiar with the name of one farida majid. I went through many of her postings.She said that "Bonde Matarom is not a comunal Slogan.But it is clear that she is hard core anti muslim.
This Farida majid and his like minded people staged a "Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" drama in Dhaka
Attorney William Sloan, a foreign delegate, addresses the International Conference on Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism at the Osmani Memorial Hall in the capital yesterday. Speakers at the conference urged international community for extending support to the process that Bangladesh government has initiated to try the war criminals. Photo: Shawkat Jamil
The MSSK Trust, Forum for Secular Bangladesh and Trial of War Criminals of 1971 and South Asian People's Union against Fundamentalism and Communalism jointly organised the conference titled "The International Conference on Peace, Justice and Secular Humanism" at Osmani Memorial Auditorium.In the resolution titled "Dhaka Declaration"
The resolution was adopted at concluding session of the conference following daylong discussions attended by delegates including human rights activists, lawyers and experts from 11 countries.
The resolution said the trial of war criminals in Bangladesh would discourage the culture of impunity and urged international community "to unite against the culture of impunity to prevent genocides and war crimes from recurring."
Countries affected by terrorism and regional extremism were also urged to support the proposed regional taskforce, a taskforce proposed by Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina, to combat religious extremism and terrorism.
The resolution also emphasized strict measures to check money laundering for what they said, "fundamentalist organisations across the world are using different NGOs, Banks and various financial institutions to finance militancy and terrorism through money laundering."
Building a domestic and regional secular humanist network by civil societies and governments across the world was also urged upon.
The conference also called upon Pakistan to take effective measures to curb and eliminate religious militancy, repeal anti-Ahmadiyya laws and blasphemy laws.
Earlier, during its inauguration, speakers from home and abroad urged all countries to form an inter-continental network based on secularism.
"Religious fundamentalism in many forms and faces has become a great problem. There is no time to lose. With cooperation from all we must cut it out globally before it is too late. Otherwise humanism will be in jeopardy," said Prof Kabir Chowdhury, president of the advisory committee of Ekattorer Ghatak Dalal Nirmul Committee.
"If there are Muslim fundamentalists in Pakistan, there must be Hindu fundamentalists in India. If there is Hindu fundamentalists in India, there is no way to resist Muslim fundamentalists in Bangladesh," said former speaker of India PA Sangma.
Former speaker of Nepal Daman Dhungana said that democracy couldn't be achieved without overcoming religious extremism.
"Individually it is tough to overcome this, but globally it can be done," he added.
Prof Shafaraj Khan from Pakistan, Prof Maxim Dubayev from Russia, terrorism expert Chris Blackburn from UK, Cecilia Wikstrom, member of MEP, Sweden, Parvin Najfgholi Ardalan, human right activist from Iran and Attorney William Sloan also spoke in the inaugural session. Journalist Shahriar Kabir conducted the programme.
Speakers also discussed Jamaat-e-Islami'
"Trial of war criminal is necessary for strengthening the foundation of democracy. It is a matter of great shame that collaborators were reinstated in Bangladesh politics," said Dr Peter Custers from The Netherlands in his speech during inaugural session.
He also mentioned that European countries politically support this effort of war crimes trial and suggested taking assistance from international lawyers.
"It's never too late for justice. Time is always now. It is always the right time to punish crime against humanity," said William Sloan.
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