I don't know, which Moderate Moslims you are talking about because I know hundreds of them and only few do not believe in Islamic Conspiracy Theories about 9/11. One of them is a Taxi Driver, who was on a 6 lane Expressway that passes by Pentagon Building. Over who's head a low flying Airliner passed and then crashed in to Pentagon Building. He laughed at the Lie that an F-16 had first shot missiles and then crashed in to it in front of me because he knew I do not believe in 9/11 Conspiracy Theory lies however, he never argues or tries to convince Conspiracy Theory Believers.
There is a friend of mine, a former Captain of Pak Army (who had been in Indian Jail because he was in East Pakistan in 1971), who was Chief of WTC Security. He was not scheduled to be there at the time the Airliners crashed in. He also denies all conspiracy Theories. He was getting ready to go to work and saw Airliners crashing in to WTC through his window facing it. He does not waste his time trying to convince any Moslim that it was not a Conspiracy either.
Its like we are an ancient 1400 years old Tribe. We have to agree with the rest of the Tribe or we would not remain a part of it. Who can be called a Moderate Moslim in this environment of stupidity and craziness?
Moslims are calling the protesters against the Mosque that they are prejudice and crazy. Most Americans agree but what are we?
Are we all not more prejudiced than those few crazy Americans?
Don't our Mollaa keep creating, what is called 'FiTna' in Arabic all the time to antagonize Westerners instead of being thankful of their generosity that they granted us Immigration, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Expression?
Don't they let poor of us get all kinds of their Government Charities, they treat us as Humans etc, when our own countries do not take care of our poor in our countries like that?
Give me a break ...!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
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> The mosque can indeed be located near to the WTC. And that is what many
> Americans believe. It is the malicious, the ignorant or the hurting who
> are against this.
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> It is not the fascist types you constantly refer to who are behind this
> mosque/ community centre. There are millions of Muslims who are devout
> Americans too and who wish no harm or hurt on anyone. The mosque would
> cater to them.
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> The building of this community centre is neither a triumph for Islam nor
> a failure of America. It is quite simply, a triumph for America. And
> many thoughtful Americans know this. Mayor Bloomberg supports it without
> hesitation. He quotes how, during an evening at a restaurant, he was
> approached by a two tour veteran of the Iraq War. The veteran simpy
> demanded that the Mayor ensure that the mosque was built as planned -
> because that's what Americans were dying for in Iraq.
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> America, for all its failings, is truly great. We know that. Ahmedinijad
> knows it too. Many of us can't admit it - mainly because that would
> require us to admit to many failings of our own nations and peoples.
> Well, we really do need to sort ourselves out.
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> And it would help everyone to see that mosque built. It would empower
> moderate, mainstream Muslims everywhere in the world. And above all it
> would lend greater voice to American values around the world. We hope
> hundreds of thousands will visit the WTC site and then go to the nearby
> mosque and pray - pray for the the victims, pray for tolerance, pray for
> forgiveness and pray for the reformation of much of the political and
> religious establishment in the Muslim world.
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> As matters stand today the moderate, disenfranchised Muslim world is
> waiting for the moderate Muslims of North America and Europe to redefine
> our Muslim world. That mosque near the WTC is small, but important step
> in that journey.
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> >
> > Its all fault of our Mollaas. Before their illiterate followers
> arrived looking for a better life only us, students from upper class
> educated families were here from Moslim Countries, we used to laugh off
> our stupid Mollaas instead of becoming Sneak Attack Terrorists.
> > .
> > Now all the good reputation that we had created for Moslims in USA is
> gone because of these stupid people, who want to thank generosity of
> Americans only by antagonizing them and seeking every kind of JehaaD
> against USA and Americans. They are at war with Christians in the West,
> we were not.
> > .
> > Why they had to pick this Mosque Project so near the Monument about to
> be built for Martyrs of your Savage Attack on USA?
> > Which Moslim Country would permit its Immigrant Christians to build a
> Church near a Monument being built in the Memory of Victims of Savage
> Attack of Christian Immigrants?
> > Answer me Ghazali ...!
> > Why this was called 'Cordoba Project', Codoba, a city of Spain, from
> where Moslim Minority ruled Christian Spain for centuries and collected
> Protection Money, called 'Jiziya'?
> > Doesn't it tell, what dream is in the mind of starter of this project?
> > Answer me Ghazali ...!
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan bdmailer@ wrote:
> > >
> > > American Muslims Nine Years After 9/11
> > > By Abdus Sattar Ghazali
> > >
> > >
> > > *T*he seven-million strong American Muslim community, under siege
> since the
> > > ghastly tragedy of 9/11, is challenged in recent months with a
> growing
> > > anti-Islam and anti-Muslim bigotry sparked by the opposition to the
> planned
> > > Park51 project popularly known as the Ground Zero Mosque in
> Manhattan, New
> > > York. The inflammatory rhetoric surrounding the project, actually a
> cultural
> > > center and already approved by the New York City Planning
> Commission, has
> > > stirred hatred toward Muslims in America.
> > >
> > > There has been so much fear-mongering and so much misinformation in
> the
> > > debate peddled by bigots and rightwing politicians. The constant
> > > vilification of Islam and Muslims over the air on radio talk shows,
> in
> > > newspapers and the Internet is contributing to the rise in
> anti-Muslim
> > > sentiment across the country.
> > >
> > > The hate speech and fear-mongering has resulted in hate crimes
> against
> > > Muslims and their prayer centers. At least three anti-Muslim acts
> were
> > > reported in one day, on August 24. In New York, taxi driver Ahmed H.
> Sharif
> > > was stabbed after the passenger asked the driver "Are you Muslim?"
> When the
> > > driver said yes, the man slashed him with a knife on the throat, arm
> and
> > > face. The same night a drunk man barged into a Queens (New York)
> mosque and
> > > shouted anti-Muslim slurs at the congregation during the nightly
> Tarawee
> > > prayers. He then proceeded to urinate on the prayer rugs.
> Anti-Muslim acts
> > > are not limited to New York. Several thousand miles away in Madera,
> > > California, a mosque was vandalized with a sign reading 'Wake up
> America,
> > > the enemy is here.' Tellingly, earlier last month, a mock pig
> inscribed with
> > > "No Mosque in NYC" was left at a California Islamic center. It was
> also
> > > inscribed with "Remember 9-11" and "MO HAM MED the Pig."
> > >
> > > Amid growing anti-Muslim sentiment—stirred up by a raging debate
> over the
> > > Ground Zero mosque, at least two more incidents were reported till
> August
> > > 31. In New York State's tiny town, Carlton, five teenagers harassed
> > > worshippers at the town mosque. The teenagers were charged with
> disrupting
> > > religious services at the mosque after they honked their car horns
> and
> > > yelled obscenities during one prayer service, and fired a weapon
> outside of
> > > another. In the Nashville suburb of Murfreesboro (Tennessee) a fire
> was
> > > reported at the site of a planned Islamic center and mosque. More
> > > alarmingly, gunshots were fired when the community members arrived
> to
> > > inspect the site.
> > >
> > > All these hate incidents come in an atmosphere of near anti-Muslim
> hysteria
> > > that is currently being generated by the feverish discourse and
> manufactured
> > > controversy over the Ground Zero mosque. It is generating
> anti-Muslim and
> > > anti-Islam public sentiments. A poll on August 29 by the extreme
> right San
> > > Diego, California 760 KFMB AM talk radio station indicated that 70%
> of those
> > > polled are in favor of forced registration for American Muslims in a
> > > national database. The same day a poll conducted by Chris Matthews
> show at
> > > the MSNBC revealed that more than half of Republicans polled say
> they have a
> > > negative attitude toward Islam, this compared to only 27% of
> Democrats. A
> > > PEW Institute poll result released on August 24 corroborated the
> findings of
> > > Chris Mathews show. By more than two-to-one (54% to 21%),
> Republicans
> > > expressed an unfavorable opinion of Islam and by more than
> four-to-one (74%
> > > to 17%), Republicans say they agree more with those who object to
> the
> > > building of the Ground Zero Mosque. By contrast, more Democrats
> agree with
> > > the center's supporters than its opponents (by 47% to 39%).
> > >
> > > One may ask. If the feverish discourse about the so-called Ground
> Zero
> > > mosque is only about the building of a new mosque or something else?
> To
> > > borrow, Stephan Salisbury of Tom Dispatch, the mosque controversy is
> not
> > > really about a mosque at all; it's about the presence of Muslims in
> America,
> > > and the free-floating anxiety and fear that now dominate the
> nation's
> > > psyche. The dark stain of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim bigotry or
> Islamophobia
> > > had spread far and wide long before the controversy erupted. As
> Salisbury
> > > pointed out, "those opposing the construction of the center in New
> York City
> > > are drawing on what amounts to a decade of government-stoked
> xenophobia
> > > about Muslims, now gathering strength and visibility in a nation
> full of
> > > deep economic anxieties and increasingly aggressive far-right
> grassroots
> > > groups."
> > >
> > > Since 9/11, there has been a steady rise in Islamophobia, however
> recent
> > > months have seen exponential rise of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim
> bigotry.
> > > Many Religious Right leaders and opportunist politicians assert over
> and
> > > over that Islam is not a religion at all but a political cult, that
> Muslims
> > > cannot be good Americans and that mosques are fronts for extremist
> > > `jihadis.' Over the course of the past year there has been a
> substantial
> > > increase in the number of political candidates using Islamophobic
> tactics in
> > > an effort to leverage votes, and use such tactics as a platform to
> enhance
> > > their political visibility.
> > >
> > > Few examples: A Minnesota Republican congressional candidate, Lynne
> > > Torgerson, says that the religion of Islam cannot be protected by
> the First
> > > Amendment to the United States Constitution. Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron
> Ramsey,
> > > one of three Republican candidates running for governor, says Islam
> may be
> > > called a "cult" instead of a religion. Ron McNeil, a Florida
> congressional
> > > candidate tells local high and middle class students that Islam is
> against
> > > everything America stands for. Another Florida Republican candidate
> for
> > > Congress, Dan Fanelli, runs television ads in which he points to a
> white man
> > > and asks, "Does this look like a terrorist?" and then turns to an
> > > Arab-looking man and asks, "Or this?" A Texas congressional hopeful,
> Canyon
> > > Clowdus, wants no more Muslim immigration to America. The American
> Family
> > > Association also wants a halt to the immigration of Muslims into the
> U.S. to
> > > "protect our national security and preserve our national identity,
> culture,
> > > ideals and values." In Oklahoma an anti-Muslim measure is being
> pushed for
> > > November ballot.
> > >
> > > Alarmingly, allegations of anti-Muslim bias are being leveled
> against the
> > > U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, that advises the
> > > president and other government officials on issues related to
> religious
> > > freedom worldwide. The Washington Post has quoted some past
> commissioners,
> > > staff and former staff of the Commission as saying that the agency
> is rife,
> > > behind-the-scenes, with ideology and tribalism, with commissioners
> focusing
> > > on pet projects that are often based on their own religious
> background. In
> > > particular, they say an anti-Muslim bias runs through the
> commission's work.
> > >
> > > *Burning of the Quran stunt*
> > >
> > > Desecration of the Quran, Islam's holy book, is another method of
> bigotry.
> > > Anti-Islam and anti-Muslim Pastor Terry Jones of a tiny Florida
> Church,
> > > known as the Dove World Outreach Center, planned to commemorate 9/11
> by
> > > burning copies of the Holy Quran. He abandoned the Quran burning
> stunt when
> > > US Secretary of Defense phoned him saying that his provocative act
> would
> > > inflame the Muslim world and jeopardize the lives of American troops
> now
> > > deployed in many Muslim countries. However, Jones message was not
> lost to
> > > many. Torn pages of the Quran were found on Saturday (9/10) at the
> front of
> > > the Islamic Center of East Lansing, Michigan. Some of the pages
> appeared to
> > > be smeared with feces.
> > >
> > > Amid heightened hate speech and fear-mongering mosques in
> California,
> > > Tennessee, New York, Illinois, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Texas, and
> Florida have
> > > faced vocal opposition or have been targeted by hate incidents in
> recent
> > > months. In the most recent incidents, on 9/11 eve, vandals
> spray-painted
> > > "9-11" on windows and countertops at the Muslim owned Jaffa Market
> in
> > > Columbus, Ohio. Some cash and a laptop computer were stolen, while
> several
> > > display cases were vandalized. Just after midnight on Wednesday
> (9/8), back
> > > wall of the Hudson Islamic Center in New York was pained with slur
> "sand
> > > n**gers" and an obscenity. Last week also, a Phoenix mosque under
> > > construction was vandalized. Paint was spilled on the floor and
> several
> > > tall, arched glass windows were broken by what appeared to be
> gunshots.
> > > There was also anti-Muslim graffiti. The same mosque was vandalized
> in
> > > February last.
> > >
> > > The presence of mosques and the building of new mosques have become
> a
> > > divisive issue in several communities across the country in recent
> years. A
> > > church may be a church, and a temple a temple, but through the prism
> of
> > > emotion that grips many Americans, a decade after 9/11, a mosque can
> > > apparently represent a lot of things.
> > >
> > > *Eid Al Fitr celebrations scaled back *
> > >
> > > This year the seven million strong American Muslim community scaled
> back the
> > > Eid Al Fitr celebrations at the end of the fasting month of Ramadan,
> which
> > > fell just one day before the 9/11 anniversary. Islamic civic
> advocacy groups
> > > worried that the proximity of Eid Al Fitr with 9/11 anniversary will
> > > increase suspicion and hostility towards Muslims at a time when
> feelings
> > > towards their religion are already running high.
> > >
> > > The Council of Muslim Organizations in Washington DC called on all
> US
> > > Islamic centers, schools and organizations to refrain from holding
> Eid Al
> > > Fitr celebrations. The Council said the move was out of respect for
> the
> > > victims of the 9/11 attacks.
> > >
> > > Muslim leaders feared that the celebrations might have been
> mistakenly -- or
> > > deliberately – misconstrued. "Definitely there are people who
> would like to
> > > make us look like we are celebrating on 9/11 and we are not going to
> let
> > > them," said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, Director of Outreach at the Dar
> Al
> > > Hijrah Islamic Center, Washington DC.
> > >
> > > Many Muslims believed that sensitivity toward the anniversary of
> September
> > > 11 is crucial since this has been a tense summer for Muslims in the
> US due
> > > to the controversy over the Grand Zero mosque.
> > >
> > > The Islamic Cultural Center of Fresno, California announced
> cancellation of
> > > its Eid al-Fitr carnival on Sept. 11. For the past several years,
> the
> > > Islamic Cultural Center had celebrated Eid al-Fitr with a carnival
> on the
> > > first Saturday after the holiday, when the potential is greater for
> large
> > > attendance. Center officials said the cancellation was an
> acknowledgment
> > > that any celebration could be misinterpreted and also could be seen
> by some
> > > as insensitivity to the remembrance of 9/11.
> > >
> > > With anti-Muslim rhetoric reaching epic proportions in broader U.S.
> society
> > > -- largely tolerated, rarely condemned – the American Muslim
> community
> > > remains optimistic that the current campaign which is partly driven
> by the
> > > forthcoming elections will eventually subside since the religious
> freedom is
> > > a founding principle of this country and the main catalyst for its
> origins
> > > in the early seventeenth century. This principle was emphatically
> reiterated
> > > by President George Washington in his 1790 letter to the Jews of
> Rhode
> > > Island who built the Touro Synagogue:
> > >
> > > "The citizens of the United States of America have a right to
> applaud
> > > themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and
> liberal
> > > policy -- a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of
> > > conscience and immunities of citizenship….The Government of the
> United
> > > States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no
> assistance,
> > > requires only that they who live under its protection should demean
> > > themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their
> effectual
> > > support."
> > >
> > > When President Washington wrote this letter 220 years back, he must
> have
> > > been aware of the effect it would have on the fledgling nation.
> > >
> > > *Abdus Sattar Ghazali *is the Executive Editor of the online
> magazine
> > > American Muslim Perspective:
> > > *www.amperspective.com*<http://www.amperspective.com/>Email:
> > > *asghazali786@*
> > >
> >
>
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