Probably Abdus Sattar Ghazali is not part of this forum. Mr. Isa Khan forwarded this article.
we used to laugh off our stupid Mollaas instead of becoming Sneak Attack Terrorists.
Like all religions there are bad mullahs and good mullahs. If you used to laugh off at someone because of their dress (Assuming Mullahs and connecting their IQ with their attire) shows your own IQ. I won't brag about it if I were you. Actually I would be ashamed if I chose to discriminate people based on their appearance. Maybe some other people will laugh at you or treat you badly because how you look or your English pronunciation. Don't think you would enjoy such treatment........
They are at war with Christians in the West, we were not.
American Muslims are not directly responsible for their current status. Some fanatic minority in other corner of the world making life hell for all Muslims all over the world. We just have to be proactive and sincere with ignorant non-Muslims. Allah gave high status to Christians in the noble Qur'an and we are NOT at war with Christians ( Source: Al Qur'an 5:32, 2:69). There are good and bad people in all communities, Christians are no different.
Why they had to pick this Mosque Project so near the Monument about to be built for Martyrs of your Savage Attack on USA?
Why are you blaming all Muslims for act of few?
As stated by imam Rauf { Initiator of Cordoba project}, the project is two blocks away from ground zero (NOT on ground zero) and they obtained necessary permits from local authorities (It is a misnomer to call it a "ground zero mosque").
As honest tax paying Americans, they have every right to build community center (Aimed at better understanding among faith traditions) at location of their choice. If your knowledge of American law is at par with Sarah Palin or hypocrite Newt Gingrich that would be truly sad. If at the end Muslims decide to back off, it would be nice gesture but not necessary.
If you want to criticize Muslims ( not Moslims) here, you are welcome. I would request you to update your knowledge of Islam. It would be more credible. Otherwise it looks like you are just ranting.
Why this was called 'Cordoba Project', Codoba, a city of Spain, from where Moslim Minority ruled Christian Spain for centuries and collected Protection Money, called 'Jiziya'?
The name Cordoba was chosen because it was one of those places, where minorities thrived under Muslim rule. Specially people from Jewish faith. Jewish scholars still calls that time as their "Golden age". They were marginalized all over Europe and other prominent places. One of the greatest Jewish philosopher Maimonides wrote his work in Arabic during Muslim rule in Spain.
The fact Muslims remained a minority after 800 years of absolute power shows they NEVER forced religion on common people. No other faith tradition shown such level of tolerance towards minority groups. For example, Muslims and Jews were forcefully ousted from Spain after Christian king and queen took over. Right after Muslims were forcefully ousted by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile (Who funded Columbus and it lead to discovery of America) Muslims and Jewish people were given limited choices. They were asked to convert, face death ( If they chose not to!) or leave their homeland forever!! This is known as inquisition to historians. Also see this link on the topic.
It is interesting that, at that time Christian lands were not a choice of destination for Jews but Muslims opened their land and houses for Jews. Please click here to enhance your knowledge of history.
Jiziya tax was taken for two different reasons. Unlike any other community minorities were allowed to practice civil laws among themselves [ There very allowed a different court system with judges from their faith tradition]. Muslim governments used to bear expenses for those parallel court systems. Under Islamic law, it was mandatory for Muslims to join army if country was attacked. It was NOT mandatory for non-Muslims. The Jizya tax gave them "protected" status. Besides reasonably rich Muslims had to pay Zakat but it did not apply to non-Muslims. Now we live in 21st century sadly I have to read news that, minorities in my country [with "Secular" aspiration] still cannot offer the level of protection to my non-Muslim brothers and sister given by Muslims to minorities hundreds of years ago. Now we (Muslims and non-Muslims) all pay taxes but our assets or lives are not protected. Please click here to learn more about this topic.
NOW I hope you got the lbackground information on what motivated the Cordoba name and project. The most ignorant and idiotic people are opposed to such project. Which only aimed to promote better understanding and tolerance among faith traditions. I hope if you see any dumb a$$es saying stupid things about such noble intention, you will be kind enough to educate them on history of Islam.
Answer me Ghazali ...!
Since Gazzali has better things to do than answering to insults and rant. As a fellow countryman (Assuming you are from Bangladesh! please correct me if I am wrong) I tried to explain. I hope I was some help.
Peace.
--qr
From: ANDREWL <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:52 pm
Subject: [ALOCHONA] American Muslims Nine Years After 9/11
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Now all the good reputation that we had created for Moslims in USA is gone because of these stupid people, who want to thank generosity of Americans only by antagonizing them and seeking every kind of JehaaD against USA and Americans. They are at war with Christians in the West, we were not.
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Why they had to pick this Mosque Project so near the Monument about to be built for Martyrs of your Savage Attack on USA?
Which Moslim Country would permit its Immigrant Christians to build a Church near a Monument being built in the Memory of Victims of Savage Attack of Christian Immigrants?
Answer me Ghazali ...!
Why this was called 'Cordoba Project', Codoba, a city of Spain, from where Moslim Minority ruled Christian Spain for centuries and collected Protection Money, called 'Jiziya'?
Doesn't it tell, what dream is in the mind of starter of this project?
Answer me Ghazali ...!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@...> wrote:
>
> American Muslims Nine Years After 9/11
> By Abdus Sattar Ghazali
>
>
> *T*he seven-million strong American Muslim community, under siege since the
> ghastly tragedy of 9/11, is challenged in recent months with a growing
> anti-Islam and anti-Muslim bigotry sparked by the opposition to the planned
> Park51 project popularly known as the Ground Zero Mosque in Manhattan, New
> York. The inflammatory rhetoric surrounding the project, actually a cultural
> center and already approved by the New York City Planning Commission, has
> stirred hatred toward Muslims in America.
>
> There has been so much fear-mongering and so much misinformation in the
> debate peddled by bigots and rightwing politicians. The constant
> vilification of Islam and Muslims over the air on radio talk shows, in
> newspapers and the Internet is contributing to the rise in anti-Muslim
> sentiment across the country.
>
> The hate speech and fear-mongering has resulted in hate crimes against
> Muslims and their prayer centers. At least three anti-Muslim acts were
> reported in one day, on August 24. In New York, taxi driver Ahmed H. Sharif
> was stabbed after the passenger asked the driver "Are you Muslim?" When the
> driver said yes, the man slashed him with a knife on the throat, arm and
> face. The same night a drunk man barged into a Queens (New York) mosque and
> shouted anti-Muslim slurs at the congregation during the nightly Tarawee
> prayers. He then proceeded to urinate on the prayer rugs. Anti-Muslim acts
> are not limited to New York. Several thousand miles away in Madera,
> California, a mosque was vandalized with a sign reading 'Wake up America,
> the enemy is here.' Tellingly, earlier last month, a mock pig inscribed with
> "No Mosque in NYC" was left at a California Islamic center. It was also
> inscribed with "Remember 9-11" and "MO HAM MED the Pig."
>
> Amid growing anti-Muslim sentiment—stirred up by a raging debate over the
> Ground Zero mosque, at least two more incidents were reported till August
> 31. In New York State's tiny town, Carlton, five teenagers harassed
> worshippers at the town mosque. The teenagers were charged with disrupting
> religious services at the mosque after they honked their car horns and
> yelled obscenities during one prayer service, and fired a weapon outside of
> another. In the Nashville suburb of Murfreesboro (Tennessee) a fire was
> reported at the site of a planned Islamic center and mosque. More
> alarmingly, gunshots were fired when the community members arrived to
> inspect the site.
>
> All these hate incidents come in an atmosphere of near anti-Muslim hysteria
> that is currently being generated by the feverish discourse and manufactured
> controversy over the Ground Zero mosque. It is generating anti-Muslim and
> anti-Islam public sentiments. A poll on August 29 by the extreme right San
> Diego, California 760 KFMB AM talk radio station indicated that 70% of those
> polled are in favor of forced registration for American Muslims in a
> national database. The same day a poll conducted by Chris Matthews show at
> the MSNBC revealed that more than half of Republicans polled say they have a
> negative attitude toward Islam, this compared to only 27% of Democrats. A
> PEW Institute poll result released on August 24 corroborated the findings of
> Chris Mathews show. By more than two-to-one (54% to 21%), Republicans
> expressed an unfavorable opinion of Islam and by more than four-to-one (74%
> to 17%), Republicans say they agree more with those who object to the
> building of the Ground Zero Mosque. By contrast, more Democrats agree with
> the center's supporters than its opponents (by 47% to 39%).
>
> One may ask. If the feverish discourse about the so-called Ground Zero
> mosque is only about the building of a new mosque or something else? To
> borrow, Stephan Salisbury of Tom Dispatch, the mosque controversy is not
> really about a mosque at all; it's about the presence of Muslims in America,
> and the free-floating anxiety and fear that now dominate the nation's
> psyche. The dark stain of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim bigotry or Islamophobia
> had spread far and wide long before the controversy erupted. As Salisbury
> pointed out, "those opposing the construction of the center in New York City
> are drawing on what amounts to a decade of government-stoked xenophobia
> about Muslims, now gathering strength and visibility in a nation full of
> deep economic anxieties and increasingly aggressive far-right grassroots
> groups."
>
> Since 9/11, there has been a steady rise in Islamophobia, however recent
> months have seen exponential rise of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim bigotry.
> Many Religious Right leaders and opportunist politicians assert over and
> over that Islam is not a religion at all but a political cult, that Muslims
> cannot be good Americans and that mosques are fronts for extremist
> `jihadis.' Over the course of the past year there has been a substantial
> increase in the number of political candidates using Islamophobic tactics in
> an effort to leverage votes, and use such tactics as a platform to enhance
> their political visibility.
>
> Few examples: A Minnesota Republican congressional candidate, Lynne
> Torgerson, says that the religion of Islam cannot be protected by the First
> Amendment to the United States Constitution. Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey,
> one of three Republican candidates running for governor, says Islam may be
> called a "cult" instead of a religion. Ron McNeil, a Florida congressional
> candidate tells local high and middle class students that Islam is against
> everything America stands for. Another Florida Republican candidate for
> Congress, Dan Fanelli, runs television ads in which he points to a white man
> and asks, "Does this look like a terrorist?" and then turns to an
> Arab-looking man and asks, "Or this?" A Texas congressional hopeful, Canyon
> Clowdus, wants no more Muslim immigration to America. The American Family
> Association also wants a halt to the immigration of Muslims into the U.S. to
> "protect our national security and preserve our national identity, culture,
> ideals and values." In Oklahoma an anti-Muslim measure is being pushed for
> November ballot.
>
> Alarmingly, allegations of anti-Muslim bias are being leveled against the
> U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, that advises the
> president and other government officials on issues related to religious
> freedom worldwide. The Washington Post has quoted some past commissioners,
> staff and former staff of the Commission as saying that the agency is rife,
> behind-the-scenes, with ideology and tribalism, with commissioners focusing
> on pet projects that are often based on their own religious background. In
> particular, they say an anti-Muslim bias runs through the commission's work.
>
> *Burning of the Quran stunt*
>
> Desecration of the Quran, Islam's holy book, is another method of bigotry.
> Anti-Islam and anti-Muslim Pastor Terry Jones of a tiny Florida Church,
> known as the Dove World Outreach Center, planned to commemorate 9/11 by
> burning copies of the Holy Quran. He abandoned the Quran burning stunt when
> US Secretary of Defense phoned him saying that his provocative act would
> inflame the Muslim world and jeopardize the lives of American troops now
> deployed in many Muslim countries. However, Jones message was not lost to
> many. Torn pages of the Quran were found on Saturday (9/10) at the front of
> the Islamic Center of East Lansing, Michigan. Some of the pages appeared to
> be smeared with feces.
>
> Amid heightened hate speech and fear-mongering mosques in California,
> Tennessee, New York, Illinois, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida have
> faced vocal opposition or have been targeted by hate incidents in recent
> months. In the most recent incidents, on 9/11 eve, vandals spray-painted
> "9-11" on windows and countertops at the Muslim owned Jaffa Market in
> Columbus, Ohio. Some cash and a laptop computer were stolen, while several
> display cases were vandalized. Just after midnight on Wednesday (9/8), back
> wall of the Hudson Islamic Center in New York was pained with slur "sand
> n**gers" and an obscenity. Last week also, a Phoenix mosque under
> construction was vandalized. Paint was spilled on the floor and several
> tall, arched glass windows were broken by what appeared to be gunshots.
> There was also anti-Muslim graffiti. The same mosque was vandalized in
> February last.
>
> The presence of mosques and the building of new mosques have become a
> divisive issue in several communities across the country in recent years. A
> church may be a church, and a temple a temple, but through the prism of
> emotion that grips many Americans, a decade after 9/11, a mosque can
> apparently represent a lot of things.
>
> *Eid Al Fitr celebrations scaled back *
>
> This year the seven million strong American Muslim community scaled back the
> Eid Al Fitr celebrations at the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, which
> fell just one day before the 9/11 anniversary. Islamic civic advocacy groups
> worried that the proximity of Eid Al Fitr with 9/11 anniversary will
> increase suspicion and hostility towards Muslims at a time when feelings
> towards their religion are already running high.
>
> The Council of Muslim Organizations in Washington DC called on all US
> Islamic centers, schools and organizations to refrain from holding Eid Al
> Fitr celebrations. The Council said the move was out of respect for the
> victims of the 9/11 attacks.
>
> Muslim leaders feared that the celebrations might have been mistakenly -- or
> deliberately – misconstrued. "Definitely there are people who would like to
> make us look like we are celebrating on 9/11 and we are not going to let
> them," said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, Director of Outreach at the Dar Al
> Hijrah Islamic Center, Washington DC.
>
> Many Muslims believed that sensitivity toward the anniversary of September
> 11 is crucial since this has been a tense summer for Muslims in the US due
> to the controversy over the Grand Zero mosque.
>
> The Islamic Cultural Center of Fresno, California announced cancellation of
> its Eid al-Fitr carnival on Sept. 11. For the past several years, the
> Islamic Cultural Center had celebrated Eid al-Fitr with a carnival on the
> first Saturday after the holiday, when the potential is greater for large
> attendance. Center officials said the cancellation was an acknowledgment
> that any celebration could be misinterpreted and also could be seen by some
> as insensitivity to the remembrance of 9/11.
>
> With anti-Muslim rhetoric reaching epic proportions in broader U.S. society
> -- largely tolerated, rarely condemned – the American Muslim community
> remains optimistic that the current campaign which is partly driven by the
> forthcoming elections will eventually subside since the religious freedom is
> a founding principle of this country and the main catalyst for its origins
> in the early seventeenth century. This principle was emphatically reiterated
> by President George Washington in his 1790 letter to the Jews of Rhode
> Island who built the Touro Synagogue:
>
> "The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud
> themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal
> policy -- a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of
> conscience and immunities of citizenship….The Government of the United
> States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance,
> requires only that they who live under its protection should demean
> themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual
> support."
>
> When President Washington wrote this letter 220 years back, he must have
> been aware of the effect it would have on the fledgling nation.
>
> *Abdus Sattar Ghazali *is the Executive Editor of the online magazine
> American Muslim Perspective:
> *www.amperspective.com*<;http://www.amperspective.com/>Email:
> *asghazali786@...*
>
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Friday, September 24, 2010
Re: [ALOCHONA] American Muslims Nine Years After 9/11
Answer me Ghazali ...!
-----Original Message-----
Its all fault of our Mollaas. Before their illiterate followers arrived looking for a better life only us, students from upper class educated families were here from Moslim Countries, we used to laugh off our stupid Mollaas instead of becoming Sneak Attack Terrorists.
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