You mean, you did not write, "Those who want to be "Practicing Muslims" need to observe hijab [ Source: Al Qur'an 24:30-31]".
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The Question is, why are you lying?
Where the hell this Verse says, what you wrote if you have not mis-interpreted it?
You must think, I do not know Arabic and am just like you believing in whatever my Mollaa says.
If you are right, tell me, why our Prophet's own Wives and Daughters did not cover their faces or wore a Borqaa?
Who the hell are you trying to fool here?
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, qrahman@... wrote:
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> Please explain what do you mean by "Big pagri Mollah of yours"? Did I ever promoted any "Big pagri" mollahs in any of my mails? For your information I am from Bangladesh, I am worried about my country. You need to go to an Indian forum or Pakistani forum if you have anything to say to them or wanna ask them about their Supreme court.
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> The translations were not mine and anytime I say anything from the Qur'an, I offered source (verse and chapter) and most of the time give web links to them as well. I have NOT done any "mis-translation" here. Actually I have not done ANY translation at all. Only quoted most popular translations of the Qur'an.
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> I do not think you need to get personal with any of our discussions. If my point of view or part of the Qur'an is not your "Cup of tea", you need not to answer.
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> You need to POINT OUT where did I "Mis-translated or mis-interpreted" the Qur'an. Otherwise need not to slander anyone without any solid proof.
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> Fact is your uncivilized post ( With imaginary accusations) does not change who I am. But it says a whole lot about who you are.
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> Shalom!
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> --qr
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANDREWL <turkman@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:01 pm
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Burqa can't be forced: High Court
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> grahman wrote: " ... we need to understand that men or women should NOT be forced to go against religion either ...".
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> TURKMAN: But we need to understand that men or women are NOT being forced to go against religion either. We are going against "FORCING" them to follow something that is not a part of Religion because nowhere in Qoraan, Allah had said to wear a Borqa. Our Prohet's own wives never wore it because it was not even invented. All his wives never hid their faces either. If its a part of Islam, why all those big Pagri Mollaas of yours could not prove this case in Indian Supreme Court?
> Why they lost this case?
> Because your mis-translations and mis-interpretations of Qoraan and HaDees did not work there. There were Arabic Speaking Moslim Olma, who said opposite of what you Mollaas were saying.
> Stop your B.S. sir ...!
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, qrahman@ wrote:
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> >
> > The link did not bring any web page. Like you I do not think one should be force to follow any specific religion ( Islam or otherwise). Having said that, we need to understand that men or women should NOT be forced to go against religion either (Like the previous military regime in Turkey). Turkey,UAE and Malaysia are good role models we can follow when we talk about religion. All citizens of those countries have freedom to follow or not follow any particular religion.
> >
> > As far as burqa is concern, most scholars of Islam says covering face is NOT mandatory in Islam. However almost all prominent scholars of Islam says "hijab" is required by Islam. Those who want to be "Practicing Muslims" need to observe hijab [ Source: Al Qur'an 24:30-31] for modesty (Certain rules applies for men as well). The first command about hijab was directed towards men. Albeit we generally think it is only at women, men needs to follow hijab [ etiquette] as well.
> >
> > Please click here to get answers to frequently asked questions on this topic. [ Source: http://www.islam101.com/women/hijabfaq.html]
> >
> > For related information, please click here.
> >
> > As I said multiple times before, Islam (Or any other ideology) should not be forced but it is also important for Muslims to have clear understanding of their own religion.
> >
> > Shalom.
> >
> > --qr
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@>
> > To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:05 am
> > Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Burqa can't be forced: High Court
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> > Many people think that secularism is a grey (as opposed to the 'black' of the burqa) burlap sack that you can whack over a person's head.
> >
> > A black burqa is a very good thing for Muslims, they say.
> > It can put a ink-blot over the person's existence and obliterate the person's humanity. That is supposedly a very Islamic thing to do,
> > though there is no Qur'anic injunction or dress-code for the purpose of blotting out the humanity of a person.
> >
> > This grey burlap sack called secularism, they say, is an evil thing that can be 'imposed' and can make you look like
> > the devil incarnate otherwise known as Hindu. This sack is rumored to be outfitted with a devilish mechanism
> > that can make the whole religion of Islam disappear from the realm in a twinkle of an eye!
> >
> > They also say that this devil incarnate Hindu should be eliminated from the land by any means. The means
> > may take the form of mass murder but if that is what it takes to do the job there should not be any hesitation .
> > Anybody showing tendencies like a Hindu should be eliminated. This Hindu Hasina should take heed. Her father was wiped out.
> > "Did not hindu hasina learned anything from her Father"?
> >
> > Did not hindu hasina learned anything from her Father?
> >
> > However, the people who speak in the above language have not been able to provide a sample of the grey burlap sack
> > called secularism that can be 'imposed' over people's head and that can make Islam disappear in a twinkle of an eye.
> >
> > Until they do, we have the Holy Qur'an to turn to for guidance, solace and fortitude. In this holy month of Ramadan,
> > time for penance and self-purification, we should recognize that the above talk is itself a kind of 'covering' or clothing
> > or 'lebas'. And the Qur'an warns us to be wary of these attempts at falsehoods:
> >
> > "Wa la talbisu al Huqqa bi-l batili wa taktumoo ul Huqqa wa antum taAlamuna" 2:42.
> > (And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor coceal the Truth when ye know whar it is)
> >
> > For those who want be sure that there is no Qur'anic mandate for women to wear the burqa or the hijab,
> > please read the following article which was published in the Daily Star, and then archived by the Islamic
> > Reasearch Foundation Information.
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> > Fashioning lies, veiling the truth
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> > Farida Majid As the hijab issue heats up in France and Germany, and the psychological pressure and the brainwashing of women intensifies all over the Muslim world, the feverish ...
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> > irfi.org/articles/articles_201_250/fashioning_lies.htm · Cached page
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> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > From: qrahman@
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:38:27 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Burqa can't be forced: High Court
> >
> >
> >
> > I think burqa should not be forced but the new law does not have some "Common sense" exceptions. For Islamic institutions "Islamic" dress should be enforced (That may include Burqa if the local community feels right about it). Albeit there are difference of opinion among scholars if Burqa is mandatory in Islam or not. Most scholars think "Hijab" covers Islamic requirements for women.
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> > While I agree Burqa should not be forced but secularism should not be forced on our people either. Maybe experts should be looking into the verdict more to ensure some "Activist" judges going overboard or not. There are some concerns from liberal groups about civil rights in another ruling regarding Shaheed minar.
> >
> > Personally I feel that, God created us as "FREE" men and women and gave us freedom to obey or disobey Him. Therefore, we should encourage honest and open discussions/debates about religion. Blaming everything Islamic TODAY for what some Jamaat-e-Islami leaders did 40 years ago does not seem fair or logical to me.
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> > Peace.
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mo Assghar <moassghar@>
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 9:02 am
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Burqa can't be forced: High Court
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> > But Secularism can be forced? Give me a break!!
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> > Did not hindu hasina learned anything from her Father?
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> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
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> >
> > From: Isha Khan <bdmailer@>
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Burqa can't be forced: High Court
> > To:
> > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 2:36 AM
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> > Burqa can't be forced: High Court
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> > The court also ordered relevant officials to explain why forcing girls to wear burqa (veil) and keeping them out of sports and cultural activities were illegal.
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> > Dhaka, Aug 22 (bdnews24.com)â€"The High Court has ruled that no women can be forced to wear burqa at work and educational institutions. In it's ruling The High Court on Sunday in a suo moto order directed the government to ensure that no women were forced to wear veil or religious dress in the educational institutions and offices.
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> > The court also ordered the government to ensure that the cultural activities and sports in the educational institutions are not restricted.The orders came in the wake of a public interest petition filed by Supreme Court lawyers Mahbub Shafi and A K M Hafizul Alam on Sunday. The bench of justices A H M Shamsuddin Chowdhury and Sheikh Mohammad Zakir Hossain also ruled that they cannot be barred from taking to culture and sports
> >
> > The court also ordered relevant officials to explain why forcing girls to wear burqa (veil) and keeping them out of sports and cultural activities were illegal.
> >
> > The A Bengali daily news item said that principal of the college in Natore ( Northern Bangladesh ) has stopped any cultural activities and sports at the college and forced female students to wear Borka or veil in the college.The HC also directed principal of the college Mozammel Haque to appear before the HC bench on August 26 to explain the matter.
> >
> > It also issued a rule upon the government to explain why imposition of restriction on cultural activities and sports in the educational institutions and offices and forcing the female students to wear veil should not be declared illegal.
> >
> > Secretaries to the ministries of home, education, social welfare and women affair and principal Mozammel Haque has been made respondent to the rule and orderThe education, home, social welfare, and women and children affairs secretaries and principal of Rani Bhabani Mohila College Mozammel Huq were asked to reply to ruling. Following a brief hearing, the court also asked the principal to appear before it on Aug 26.
> >
> > The lawyers in their petition on Sunday cited a report carried by a Bengali newspaper the same day headlined, 'Burqa mandatory at Rani Bhabani Mohila College'. The lawyers stated such enforcement was discriminatory.
> >
> > http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=332264
> >
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