Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Essay] Why We Critique Only Islam !

Abraham was a follower of Moloch for the first ninety nine years of life.  His name was Ab-hamra then, hamra was the altar where the first born was sacrificed as the burnt offering.  Having fathered no child for over seven decades of his procreative life, Abraham was naturally suspicious of having been cuckolded by others as two sons were born to his wives.  So he exiled Ismael to Mecca, and took Isaac to slaughter.  Then he changed his mind, and brought him back home.  Such practice prevailed for about two thousand years more on the belief that children are born as a result of the sin of procreation.  The practice died out after God himself was atoned by sacrificing his first born child Jesus.

>>>>>>>>> This is another "Copy and paste" job from anti-Christian web sites or persons. 

Albeit Abraham (PBUH) is shared among three religions, Islam does NOT follow this narrative. Where did you get this information? Please share!!

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Abraham was a follower of Moloch for the first ninety nine years of life.  His name was Ab-hamra then, hamra was the altar where the first born was sacrificed as the burnt offering.  Having fathered no child for over seven decades of his procreative life, Abraham was naturally suspicious of having been cuckolded by others as two sons were born to his wives.  So he exiled Ismael to Mecca, and took Isaac to slaughter.  Then he changed his mind, and brought him back home.  Such practice prevailed for about two thousand years more on the belief that children are born as a result of the sin of procreation.  The practice died out after God himself was atoned by sacrificing his first born child Jesus.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM, kajalahmed62 <kajalahmed62@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

 

I am in-line with Lopa Tasneem's conclusion, i.e
All religious intolerances are bad. Coming up essays after essays against one religion is doing nothing but serving the purpose of the fundamentalists of other religions. I also find SKM's approach tedious as he keeps his "search" limited to a specific religion (probably on purpose). I hope he will be brave enough use his intelligence on finding flaws religions as a "whole" (atleast all "Abrahamic" religions).

K.A

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "Lopa Tasneem" wrote:
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> America has a super plural society having many religions (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jews, Buddha's etc). Every day, every hour or every minute—we are sick and tired of hearing in the radio, TV, or newspapers some very common (colorful) adjectives, such as: Muslim militants, Muslim terrorists, Islamic terrorists, Islamic radicals, and Islamic militants, Islamic fanatics, Al-Qeada, and Taliban. My question is that, why do not we hear about terrorists or radicals of any other religions? Why do not we hear these kind of ear-soothing colorful adjectives about those millions of atheists, agnostics or even Homosexual guys? Why it is always attached with the peaceful (?) ISLAM?
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> One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that the American media is after Islam, more for political reason than anything else. Western world, as a whole, is after Islam because if the Arab countries get united, they would pose a direct threat to the West. Besides, American media is mainly controlled by the Jews. All the main TV, radio, newspaper, magazines are owned by Jewish people. That's why we hardly hear what the Christians did to the Jews and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
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> In the North America and throughout the western world—there are hundreds of societies bearing the name of only one religion and that is ISLAM. Examples: AMC, AMA, NABIC, ICNA, ISNA, CAIR etc. etc. There are hundreds of Ummatic organizations/societies throughout the North America and elsewhere in the whole world. Ummatic organizations mostly preach segregation/isolation of Muslims from other peoples in general in the host countries. They teach Muslims that they are superior and their religion is superior and ask to guard their children from mixing with the western "rotten" society. As a result, future generations of Muslims can not blend with the society of host country resulting isolationists and problematic youngsters in an alien society. Ultimate result is the scenario of item# 13 below. In this, I have many questions: How many Ummatic organizations for Hindu, Christian or Jews can we find? Why no such organization is needed by any other religions? Why only the people of Muslim origin need such Ummatic organization? What is the purpose of such organization?
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> There are many Christian organizations in America. There are churches every 10 yards possibly at the place where I live in America. My door gets regularly knocked by some type Bible associations for fund-raising. What do you think the Christian missionaries have been doing all over the world for ages? Don't they preach Christianity as the best of all religions? In countries like Bangladesh, still they are very active in convincing the poor people to convert to Christianity and I have seen these in my own eyes.
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> By searching through the internet, I found over a thousand groups related to Hinduism. Some of them do preach hatred against other religions. What do you think Shivsena, RSS, Bajrangi dal are doing in India? India is ruled by a Fundamentalist Hindu party. Haven't we heard what happened in Gujarat recently? How those Hindu fundamentalists are any less evil than the Muslim terrorists. In this age of internet one doesn't need to rely on American media only to know what's happening in the whole world.
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> Can we find Jihadi organization in any other religions such: Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hizbullah, Horkut-ul- Jihad, Horkut-ul-mujahedin, Jaise Muhamad, Jihad-e-Muhammad, Tahrik-e-Nifaj-shariaat-e-Muhammad, Al-Hikhma, Al-badr-Mujaheddin, Jamah-e-Islamia, Hijb-e-Islamia, etc. etc.??? We can find several dozens of Jihadi Islamic terrorist organizations exists in every Muslim country throughout the world. Can we find such organization in other religions? If not, then why?
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> 6. Honor killing is the most inhuman and most disgraceful act by any human standard. This act is condemned by any sane human being today. But surprisingly—this horrendous episode is only present in the Muslim countries and Muslim societies. Islamists will argue that there is nothing in the Quran which suggests honor killing! Well, question here is, if Islam has nothing to do with it, then why it is only practiced by Muslims? NO OTHER SOCIETIES EXCEPT ISLAM PRACTICE IT, PERIOD. Even in the same country—example Nigeria, Northern Nigerian (Muslims) do practice this heinous act, but Southern Nigeria (Christians) do not practice this at all. It may present in any country in the whole world—but 100% sure that it will happened only in a Muslim family. My questions here are—please tell me why Muslims only perform this heinous act? Why this act is totally absent in any other religions?
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> Yes we do. Fanatics exist in every religion, they just change their color. Fanaticism of any religion is bad. If you lived in the South East Asia, for example, you'd have heard more about the recent Gujarat episode than anything else. (I hope Mukto-mona will remember the Gujarat episode too on its anniversary. )
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