- Mr. Hannan is married to Jamaati ideaology and politics with unbreakable commitment. He is in the Mukto-mona forum as an amabassador or publicity secretary of Jamaat-i-Islam. That's why whatever he says, whatever he quotes, or whatever he refers to is a means to nakedly support Jamaati politics, idealogy, and activities---both past and present.
- Being a retired Secretary of the Bangladesh govt., he must be old enough to have witnessed with his own eyes the barbaric and heinous crimes Pakistani army and rightist antiliberation political parties including Jamaati Islam committed during the ten months in 1971. But to justfy their mischiefs he again and again refers to Sharmila Bose's cooked, motivated, and fictitious data.
- Everybody knows that Maududi was given death sentence which was subsequently commuted by Saudi pressure. A small group in Bangladesh once tried excommunicate the Ahmadiyas from Islam.
- Mr. Hannan is wrong: MQM is not responsible for killing of Shiites by radical Sunni groups. What is happening in Iraq? Does MQM have hand in their too? Mr. Hannan, should you not term Maududi a religious bigot when he incited attacks on the innocent Ahmadiyas in Pakistan? Can you say who these religious bigots are who are suicide-bombing the innocent musollis when they are saying their prayers in the mosque?
- I agree the barbaric attacks on innocent people are hated by 99% Muslims. But do the Jamaatis fall into the category comprised of the remaining 1%? People will have the right to ask you this question when they find out that you guys do not see any crimes committed by your people in Bangladesh during 1971.
- Killing has not been monopolized by religious fanatics, secularists (example, Stalin) have also large share in it---nobody will disagree to that. But why are you hesitant in accepting the fact that innumerable lives have been taken in the name of religion?
- I agree most of the people of religions are good people. But you also have to agree that most of the non-believers, skeptics, and agnostics are also good people. Bad guys are those who "sell" religion or an idealogy for capturin or retaining power. They indoctrinate innocent cadres committed to killing and torturing. Obviously, Jamaat-i-Islam is one of them. You can also pick a cruel communist dictator as an example from the other end of the scale.
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?--false propaganda against religion and religious people
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?--false propaganda against religion and religious people
Maulana Maududi was given the death sentence by the Ayub regime for the crime. But he was later pardonned by external pressure.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
As regards Subimol Chakrabarty sahib's points, followers of Maududi did not kill any Ahmadi( Pl see Munir Commision report on punjan disturbances)As regards 1971 events, many groups killed each other ( read Sharmila Bose's dead Reckoning)Shia Sunni violence is created by secular political elements like MQM and some religious bigot's .They are hated by 99 percent people.Again read my earlier submission" Respected all,Atheists and secularists (who believe in naturalism and rationalism only and who deny role of religion in public life) are more menace to humanity, morality, civilization as history shows. Most of the wars including first and second great wars were waged by them.Most of the people of religions are good people. Many of them are misguided by secular political leaders or some ignorant and aggressive religious bigots.Religious people of all religions should fight these exploiters and stand for humanity, morality and social welfare."Shah Abdul HannanFrom: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of qar
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:48 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam.
However atheist people have done more murdering of innocents than any religious people. Stalin, Mao (Of china) etc done their part in killing anyone who had a different point of view.-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:37 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?Respected all,Atheists and secularists (who believe in naturalism and rationalism only and who deny role of religion in public life) are more menace to humanity, morality, civilization as history shows. Most of the wars including first and second great wars were waged by them.Most of the people of religions are good people. Many of them are misguided by secular political leaders or some ignorant and aggressive religious bigots.Religious people of all religions should fight these exploiters and stand for humanity, morality and social welfare.Shah Abdul HannanFrom: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?@Nihar Singh:The true religious people - who are they? Whether they bother anybody or not - is not the issue. The issue is how much is their contribution towards the advancement of the modern society? Are people, who take part in the communal riots or blowup innocent people in the name of religion, any less religious? You may think so - but they don't.@Kamal Das:The New Testaments does not contain many of the violent verses of the Old Testament means these are not absolute truth. This is the point I am trying to make.Thanks.From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:49 AM
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--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: "Mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 7:12 PMAre some religious people menaces in the society?I have been asking this question lately to myself. I tried to find the roles and contributions (I mean, real contributions) of religious people in the society that brought us here from the beginning of time. What I envisioned is that - religion played a very insignificant role towards our social, moral, and scientific developments in this world. Most of these developments are made by religiously indifferent people. The religious people mostly deal with and talk about things that are out of this world. As a result, many of these religious people are misfits and menaces in the society.Many argue that religion builds our moral character, and we learn good and bad from religion, etc. etc. I, on the other hand, think – good and bad we learn from our ancestors, and from our own experiences; religion has nothing to do with it. You might ask where our ancestors learned them from, in the first place. They learned good and bad from their ancestors' experiences, so on, and so forth. Most Chinese do not have any religion. When I asked a Chinese man - how most people there learn about good and bad without religion, he told me - they learn them from their elders' wisdoms. That's right; our ancestors transferred their knowledge and wisdom to us. Therefore, I truly believe – this world would have been a much better place without religion. Religions have divided us into many sectarian hateful clans, which are constantly fighting with one another.Many of us believe that religious doctrines and dogmas are heavenly absolute entities. They forget that - many of those doctrines, dogmas, and interpretations have already been modified from the original preaching during emancipation. For example, Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament, many Quranic interpretations have been changed, and many Vedic/Puranic practices and interpretations have been changed, etc., etc. That means - religious teachings and practices are subject to change with the time, which means they are not so heavenly endowments as we believe them to be. This is a critical point to remember. Those who think otherwise are the menaces in the society.Jiten Roy
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