>>>>>>>> Agreed. Today minorities are not targeted like that. However another form of discrimination is taking place in most government run institutions. That is which political party a student belongs to. In Dhaka university teachers openly support political parties and run for offices. Student politics used to be a moral force in our history but today that has been hijacked by extortionists, looters and arrogant low lives in most parts.
So in order to get good grade students have to do more than just study hard but they have to be "Nice" to their department chair and other teachers and support them in unethical practices (Like most teachers teaches at private universities beside public ones, Few fundamental research or papers etc).
Then you have political gangs hijacking the campus from genuine students. So good students do not feel motivated to aim to get selected in Dhaka University anymore. They want to either study in private universities or go abroad. Our country and people in it becomes the loser in the process.
>>>>>>>> Teachers live in this country and the ecosystem discourages us to follow laws or staying honest. The system most of the time goes against honest people or people who want to live a "Value based life". Not only a poor man face greater difficulty in current system even honest middle class people are shunned by the society in most parts. Private tutors are not the primary concern rather the rampant corruptions and how corrupt people gets away with it are bad examples in front of young men and women in our country.
I mentioned this before but it's worth repeating. We have to work hard to establish rule of laws and capable institutions to protect people from being oppressed. Regardless of faith background majority population suffers from current system. This is not a statement against current political leaders rather an observation of how our colonial systems sucks positive energy out of us. All major political parties participate in it and nurture it.
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The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!
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If M. H. Khundkar was actually 'against producing chemists for India', as Mr. Chakrabarty has phrased, I would not call that 'a great nationalist' even with a 'but ….'. I would not even ask, 'why did he take Hindu students at all?'
Of course, the phrase, 'against producing chemists for India', was really to mean "against producing Hindu chemists." As I wrote earlier, Khundkar should have known better; he should have known why the Hindus migrated to India; he should have known, acknowledged, and tried to mitigate the persecution that was going on against religious minorities in Pakistan. He had no right to deny any competent Hindu student of the country admission to the department, nor did he have the right to give undue grades based upon anyone's religious identity.
Unlike Mr. Chakrabarty, I would not overly praise Khundkar for an isolated decent human gesture. You support a hateful system, and then provide an isolated gesture of compassion; that does not earn much praise in my book. Khundkar was like a VVIP in Pakistan with no expressed support for Bangladesh that I am aware of. He was probably important enough to the pro-Pakistan thinkers. Thus, I doubt if he was a target of the Pakistani military, or if anyone was likely to probe into who was hiding in his house. I still would probably praise him mildly for saving an innocent human being in a most dreadful environment. I am also willing to learn, if I do not know enough, about his position toward the independence of Bangladesh.
'Inspiring and wonderful' to giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student; really! If we were to take unfair grading based upon prejudices as normal professorial behavior, then giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student would be 'inspiring and wonderful'. Is unfair grading based upon prejudices Mr. Chakrabarty's standard?
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!
I also agree with Dr. Roy and Mr. Deeldar on the points of brain drain and mediocrity breeding mediocrity.
Sukhamaya Bain
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Our memory fades. After 40 years it is hard to separate myths and facts from a mixture of these two. Let us assume that Dr. M. Khundakar, as the head of the department, was actually against producing chemists for India . Given the animosity between Pakistan and India , Khundakar was a great nationalist, but at the same time he was very poorly professional. Why did he take Hindu students at all? Once taken, how could he make a Hindu learn less and therby make him lesser of a chemist? During the Pakistani occupation period (March-Devcember 1971) he sheltered a brilliant Hindu student in his own home (Kamal-da might have been his classmate and hence may be able to reconfirm it). By doing this he risked his own life! Is it not intriguing that Khundakar was in the process of making a first-class-first Hindu chemist in the very Pakistan period in his own hands? Is it also not inspiring and wonderful? How a feat of professionalism be better? Is it not a wonderful piece of the untold history of our great liberation war and communal harmony as well?
By the by I should mention from whom I heard about Dr. M. Khundakar's alleged unwillingness to produce chemists for India . He was Ganapati Haldar. He was another brilliant student and was my roommate for one year in the dorm when we were students of Dhaka college. He came of a poor family. He got involved in a politics that made him dream of changing the society. He got killed in the hands of the antiliberation forces.
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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Well, we deserve no better than mediocrity. The worms are already planted in the brains of students and teachers. Only few might be coming out right from the system with an open mind while the rest will paying some money to the middlemen and get some mundane jobs and will carry on living happily after. I think the battle is already lost. Good and fair teachers for Bangladeshis? Why and who cares? (Sorry for my sarcasm)
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Very well said, Deeldar!
Communality blurs one's vision to see the talent in the people belonging to a different community from theirs. This practice gives undue advantage to a preferred community over the others. Although the preferred community may gain from this practice in the short term, but the country will lose in the long run due to mediocrity, as you so justly said. This practice encourages brain-drain, which causes irreparable damage to a country. Therefore, people who really love their county can never be communal.
You also said that talented people will always shine wherever they are. That's so true. I think communality anywhere in a country, especially in the academic institutions, is the highest form of betrayal to a country.
I taught Physics at Dhaka University for 3 years (1978 – 1981). While grading paper, my only thought used to be - if I was being fair to my students, nothing else. Never a thought of communal discrimination ever crossed through my mind during my academic tenure. I think - most of our teachers think that way also. Some Islamist-teachers may possess communality in Bangladesh . The same way, some Hindutyabadi-teachers in India may possess communality. I believe - these are exceptional cases only. It will always be there.
Jiten Roy
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
"I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination."
Discrimination has been pretty rampant in schools/colleges/universities without any doubt. You can't do much about it unless strong individuals step in and do the right thing. Nobody can stop a bright student becoming whatever he or she wants to do in his/her life. But with persistent practice of discrimination, you create mediocrity in your academic institutions. The very brights will leave while mediocre students will stay and create more mediocre students. And, you can guess what happens next. If you add politics and religion into the equation, that would lower the quality even further and set the standard as garbage in garbage out mode! –SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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