Many undesirable things happen in a parliament. A speaker got killed in the parliament in the hands of some unruly parliamentarians in East Pakistan assembly. Only the other day we saw in TV how a parliamentarian was being beaten by some of his fellow parlamentarians in a European parliament. In Bangladesh parliament, one prlamentarian said,"Chup Beyadob." I forgot if she was the PM at that time. Such behaviors are not standard and are beyond civility. Implication wise, the threat (admittedly not used literally) of taking the skin off of a human being's body while he is still alive is extremely dangerous. We should not make mukto-mona such a "parliament".
We should not and must not tolerate every view, every perspective, and every point. Nothing must go unchallenged. But we should learn to disagree with respect.
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
Incorrect editing caused a few errors in my last post. Please read 'andcan to' as can.
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Debate with somebody who believes he is well educated and I should be the 'last person' to talk about education'? What I said in English used to be a common parlance even in the English Parliament, andcan to be taken literally only by fools. How would one brand who considers 'Hebrew and Arabic' or 'Greek and English' as 'sister languages'? When that idiot wrote obscene language months ago, where was your sense of decency, Mr. Chakrabarty? Stop preaching and chant mantras in your divine alcove to prove your point.
Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2012, at 2:32 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:Member Das,
If I live in a world, where you are considered "Educated". I am satisfied being an ignorant person.
My only wish here is to "HELP" people who wanted to have opinions about religion by offering solid information. Nothing more. As always you are entitled to have an "Opinion" but not you cannot have your own "Facts". Thanks God for that!!
Mr. Rahman is lucky that he is not within the reach of my students. They could have flayed him alive.
>>>>>>>>> If they are being "Educated" by you, I am sure they will eventually learn to separate facts from fictions. I wish them well. :-)
Wishing you a nice day!!
Shalom!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 7:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
Mr. Rahman is totally ignorant of history as usual.
not exactly an example of a well educated person, he should be the last one talking about education to anyone.
Such comments can be made only by imbeciles, after over forty years of career as a teacher, should I be treated as the last one talking about education...?
Mr. Rahman is lucky that he is not within the reach of my students. They could have flayed him alive. Isn't it well recorded that Muslims turned there back towards western education. Even the Islamic education centers were run by the Hindus. Who, by the way, translated the Holy Quran first? Was it a Muslim?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries.
Member Bain,
You may want to read my post before you like to reply. It seems you are trying to have a "Creative interpretation" of what I said. Kindly READ the post first. On the discussion starting with Dhaka University, I said our forefathers felt Pakistan was needed. I was NOT there, so it is impossible to "Support" or "Oppose" such a concept.
As I said, I ONLY shared an observation. The Pakistan movement was popular and had enough support to get attention from the policy makers. It did not work out for us and looking as an outsider still not working for most Pakistanis either. But that is HISTORY!!
Discrimination has been an unfortunate part of our collective history and Hindus and Muslims have done some of it in the past. I never even tried to deny reality but if you ever try to sell me that, ONLY Hindus were discriminated and Muslims were only torturing them, I have to say it is not an honest narrative.
He was essentially saying that it was OK for displacing the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.
>>>>>>> Where did I say such a thing??
If you keep Assuming the worst things in others, maybe it is time for you to look in the mirror. :-)
>>>>>>>Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University
>>>>>>>> My "Request" to you would be to read the posts before you reply. I did not promote "Sprouting" madrassas RATHER I spoke about modernizing/improving them. Give them authentic quality education so people who come out of it will promote peace and be more tolerant. I have a feeling despite what you wrote here, you would not mind promoting tolerance and peace in BD.I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.
The only difference with our views is I do not see madrassahs as "wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity" and you do. If I was busy finding faults in others, it is not too difficult to have very long posts about How Muslims and Bhuddists were abused by Hindus over the centuries. But these sort of things don't bring people closer. I make a humble effort to promote more understanding about my faith and try to support "Common grounds" among all of us.
Science and technology have their places and religion have it's own space. In my world they compliment each others and there is no conflict.
Wish you have a nice day.
Shalom!!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:28 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka UniversitySorry, I do not wish to name that person in the public forums without his permission; and since I am not in touch with him, I can not get the permission readily.=================================From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 8:31 AM
Not surprisingly, people who make this accusation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore did not answer my questions.Q. A. Rahman has addressed some of the questions, with a declaration that he does not consider himself as an accuser. However, his answers and analyses were either plain wrong or typical of the two-nation theorist imbeciles.Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University during its early years.Now let me make some comprehensive points.Pakistan or not, if Hindus did not face the kind of discrimination, hatred, and barbaric atrocities that they did in East Bengal since 1947, if they did not leave East Bengal, the academic circle of any Bangladeshi
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