A country, her culture, the civilization can never become mature and can never gain respects from the world till it comes out the filthy and slimy cocoon of religious debates. It is very unfortunate when debate about religion is dumped throughout the world Bangladeshi intellectuals [ a tiny and yet vocal minority though] still cracks their head on it. It is disparaging! Act your age! please, please grow up and look at the problems of the people, their livelihood, their quotidian struggle against injustice, economic inequalities, imperialism and hegemonism. Please walk with the people who produce, who toil, who create wealth and stop peering beneath their pants.
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:14 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Can we discuss religion freely?
It is not easy to make sense with cave-dwellers, especially the kind that hangs upside down from the roof of the cave. The visionary power of these people are often known as "blind as a bat." I don't expect Jiten Roy to know idiomatic English. I only wish he was a little more honest.
"Where do you see "Islam-bashing" in my statement", charges Jiten Roy. The question I should be asking: Where did he "see" that I saw Islam-bashing in his statement? He did not see it. He is just blindly casting a stone in the dark. Or, just plain lying.
I charged mukto-mona for Islam bashing for years, pleading in the beginning (in the early 1992-93, when activities of Nirmul Committee were in full swing) that this kind of crude attacks on the religion of Islam is going to be counter-productive to our stand against the Jamaat. It will only encourage Jamaat to equate themselves with Islam. I got blasted by the Islam-bashers calling me all kinds of ugly names. No logic, no appeal to scientific thinking or citation of history of the humanities -- nothing worked to change their obstinate view.
That was then. {People curious can look up my article "Talibanization of the Cyberspace by the Crypto-Islamists." Quotation from this article is used in the biography of Beatles George Harrison, "And the Guitar Gently Weeps."}
And this is now. Due to his ignorance of the RSS/BJP anti-Muslim propaganda literature circulated at communal riot-instigating rallies in India, Jiten Roy does not realize that a lot of what he puts forth echoes that language. An example of what I mean is right here on this page -- in the lines he has written -- about Muslims consisting of "poor and backward population" and they being exploited by the fundamentalists, and somehow that is the cause of "faster growth of Muslim population of the world."
Even a deaf, mute and 'blind as a bat' will have difficulty following the logic of poor backward Muslim population being converted to Islam by the fundamentalists and thereby causing Islam to be the fastest growing religion in the world.
Curiously, there is no opinion or view on SECULARISM. The reason is nether Q. Rahman nor Jiten Roy are secular despite their masks. They are both communal to the core. The word "religion" has many meanings in many contexts. Here in this page the word 'religion' connotes communalism.
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:15:02 -0700
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Can we discuss religion freely?
"Where do you see "Islam-bashing" in my statement", charges Jiten Roy. The question I should be asking: Where did he "see" that I saw Islam-bashing in his statement? He did not see it. He is just blindly casting a stone in the dark. Or, just plain lying.
I charged mukto-mona for Islam bashing for years, pleading in the beginning (in the early 1992-93, when activities of Nirmul Committee were in full swing) that this kind of crude attacks on the religion of Islam is going to be counter-productive to our stand against the Jamaat. It will only encourage Jamaat to equate themselves with Islam. I got blasted by the Islam-bashers calling me all kinds of ugly names. No logic, no appeal to scientific thinking or citation of history of the humanities -- nothing worked to change their obstinate view.
That was then. {People curious can look up my article "Talibanization of the Cyberspace by the Crypto-Islamists." Quotation from this article is used in the biography of Beatles George Harrison, "And the Guitar Gently Weeps."}
And this is now. Due to his ignorance of the RSS/BJP anti-Muslim propaganda literature circulated at communal riot-instigating rallies in India, Jiten Roy does not realize that a lot of what he puts forth echoes that language. An example of what I mean is right here on this page -- in the lines he has written -- about Muslims consisting of "poor and backward population" and they being exploited by the fundamentalists, and somehow that is the cause of "faster growth of Muslim population of the world."
Even a deaf, mute and 'blind as a bat' will have difficulty following the logic of poor backward Muslim population being converted to Islam by the fundamentalists and thereby causing Islam to be the fastest growing religion in the world.
Curiously, there is no opinion or view on SECULARISM. The reason is nether Q. Rahman nor Jiten Roy are secular despite their masks. They are both communal to the core. The word "religion" has many meanings in many contexts. Here in this page the word 'religion' connotes communalism.
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:15:02 -0700
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Can we discuss religion freely?
Where do you see "Islam-bashing" in my statement, which I made after Q. Rahman boasted that Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth? In my last response, I have pointed out some of the reasons why Islam is growing faster than Christianity. One reason I gave was the Christian population growth deceleration due to various reasons, and then I said faster growing religion also brings faster growing problems. Let me explain why. Faster growth in Islam is due to faster growth in Muslim population in the world. Unfortunately, most of the growth is happening in the poor and backward population. Islamists/fundamentalists are taking advantage of all these poor and desperate people. This is causing enormous problem everywhere else, including Islamic countries, like Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. In USA, highest rate of conversion to Islam is in the Prison. Q. Rahman is right when he said that it's not the religion - it's the people, who make troubles using religion. I concur with him completely - but, the fact that - those trouble makers are growing faster rate also with the faster growth of the religion. That was my point. In fact, you are also talking about the same problem. I do not expect blanket statement like "Islam Bashing" from you. If you do so, you will be no different from Mohiuddin Anwar, who went as far as saying that critics are "Enemy of Islam." Jiten Roy --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
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