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Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kamal Das" kamalendrad

*The stupid schizophrenic old shrew might also think that B. B. C. reporter
also belongs to RSS/Sangh Paribar.* *The so called 'Actual facts' are
cooked in her sterile brain.
*
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Jiten Roy, Kamal Das, S. Bain. et al are getting their
> feed from their RSS/ Sangh Parivar unit about the millions & millions of
> destitute Bangladeshi refugees and illegal immigrants in India/ Assam. It
> does not matter how many reports and analysis of the actual facts and
> figures are presented to them. They will repeat the same lies with the
> same bias again, & again, & again.
>
> A Foreign Hand From The East | Saba Naqvi
> www.outlookindia.com
> Who is an illegal immigrant? According to the Assam Accord of 1985, people
> from Bangladesh who had come over before January 1966 were to be
> regularised as Indian nationals. Those who came over between 1966 and March
> <http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282075>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:05:34 +0600
>
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
>
>
> *Thus far, technology had been the real savior. Once, it reaches a
> saturation point, the world would wake up to the grim reality of which
> Malthus had predicted. As David Suzuki, the noted environmentalist said,
> billions would die.*
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> **
>
>
> I am not talking about the prediction. Prediction did not come true
> because of excluded variables in the theory.
>
> Jiten Roy
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/26/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 8:19 PM
>
>
>
> "It is, of course, well known that Malthus' predictions, which he derived
> from his model, were mistaken because his assumptions were both inadequate
> and faulty."
> This is a quote from the masterpiece Asian Drama (Vol. II) by Gunnar
> Myrdal (p. 1857).
> There is a danger in talking about the Malthusian Theory taught us by a
> B.A passed (probably in third division) school teacher in Bangladesh.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
> *To:* mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:10 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
>
> Farida Majid: "Whether you like it or not, and you and the mukto-mona
> smart alecs may not have noticed it, the world has moved on from the early
> 19th century English Protestant priest's fear -- The Malthus catastrophe.
> Any one who talks about the Malthusian principle is laughed at."
> What is she talking about? Utter ignorance.
>
> Malthusian Theory is always valid. Production can never grow at a
> geometric progression forever, but population can. Yes, population burden
> can be lessened through economic development and growth in the country up
> to a point, but - that cannot compete with the ever growing population
> forever. When the economic growth in the country cannot handle the
> population burden, demographic invasion/migration to neighboring countries
> starts to occur. Such demographic invasion/migration from Bangladesh is
> occurring in India now, and creating havoc there. Recent carnages in
> Assam, West Bengal, Mumbai, etc. bear the hallmark of such demographic
> invasion/migration from Bangladesh, as indicated by Kamal Das. Yet, some
> people are still supporting such population growth merely for the sake of
> the growth of Ummah, and trying to put lipstick on the pig, as Farida Majid
> just did.
>
> Jiten Roy
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/26/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Deeldar Shah" <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 4:38 PM
>
>
> Whether you like it or not, and you and the mukto-mona smart
> alecs may not have noticed it, the world has moved on from the early 19th
> century English Protestant priest's fear -- The Malthus catastrophe. Any
> one who talks about the Malthusian principle is laughed at. Why are you
> babbling about Muslims in the same manner as Mohish Mohiuddin and, on the
> flip side, the Hindu communalists of Sangh Parivar and Bangladesh?
> It has been hard to rock the secular foundation of Bengal
> (Bangladesh) and we all know what painful, terrifying, murderous attempts
> there have been made to do so in the past 75 years or so. I lose heart
> sometimes. The Jamaat-shibir-razakar gang and their Baap-chacha -- KSA &
> Uncle Sam-- keep putting on the crunches. Bangladesh is increasingly an
> important South Asian country. Our human resources are our greatest
> strength. Again-- times don't stand still, and values, even in economic
> calculations, undergo changes. Farida Majid
> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:00:47 -0700 From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation" To: farida_majid@hotmail.com;
> mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com CC: kamalctgu@gmail.com
> Well, well, you might not like his straight talk but he is not totally
> wrong. We are now more 160 millions and still breeding with a very fast
> rate with the hope that Allah will take care of us. Obviously, the
> almighty does not care about our population growth or whether we should be
> forced to head for other countries in the future? The space is very limited
> in Bangladesh and there is already a spill over effect on surrounding
> countries whether you believe or not. No country would like to be
> overwhelmed by another fast growing population group with no intention to
> integrate but fight for a greater Ummah. These are legitimate fears whether
> you like or not. Muslims have failed to take care of its own problems. It
> is the quality that is needed not the quantity! -SD
>
>
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
> *From:* Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
> *To:* "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:34 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese
> Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
> Does this man Kamal Das have no other hobby than bashing Islam,
> bad-mouthing Muslims of Bangladesh and dispensing unsolicited,incoherent
> wisdom like disjointed dark-colored globules of shit (otherwise known as
> chhagoler naadi)?
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: kamalctgu@gmail.com Date: Sun, 26
> Aug 2012 16:40:03 +0600 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing Bangladeshi
> Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
> A blind man is not expected to see anything. The B. B. C. & CNN
> coverage on the episode had plenty of people speaking with Bangladeshi
> accent.
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> **
>
> *I saw no trace of Bagladeshi offensive in the conflict, so
> systematically and vigorously orchestrated by BJP and VHP, led by L.K.
> Advani, Tarun Vijay and Praveen Togadia.* They are playing with the lives
> of people and poisoning atmosphere for future. Bangladeshi is more of an
> abuse to humiliate Muslims who are native Indians. There may be a few
> percent Bangladeshis (as a Rajvanshi ex-serviceman in rural Kokrajhar put
> it at 10%), but even these, in all likelihood are labourers and labourers
> are no exploiters but an exploited lot. They need to be treated with
> dignity. *All countries have legal and illegal migrants.*
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. At last some common sense!!
>
> I have been to India but did not see large "Bangladeshi" population
> roaming around. I hear a lot about Bangladeshi shoppers who buys a lot of
> Indian goods and going for better treatment in India but don't think there
> are significant amount of Bangladeshi people that can cause social unrest.
>
> Once of the problem is Muslims from West Bengal are treated like
> "Bangladeshi foreigners" in their own country. This is an Indian issue and
> Indian leadership need to address it properly.
>
>
> Even if there are some insignificant number of "Illegals" in India, I
> don't think they are running out with a load of money in their pockets. We
> are talking India not Sweden!!
> So treating every person with minimum dignity will bring India closer to
> her neighbors. Right now "Center" is hated by many Indians themselves and
> Indian policies are disliked by her neighbors. This is not how future super
> powers works. *Maybe India can learn from China about foreign policies. *
> t 6 AM on August 5 I left for Kashipara and from there to Kokrajhar. I
> visted the Commerce College Bodo camp. People treated me with warmth and
> showed appreciation for peace efforts. At 12 noon I took Kamrup express to
> Guwahati.
> >>>>>>>>> I am glad people are coming back their senses. Wish only peace
> and prosperity for these people. Hope politicians will not mislead these
> people any more. A peaceful, prosperous and stable India should be part of
> collective Bangladeshi wishes as well.
>
> Shalom!
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 5:27 am Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: "Bringing
> Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
>
> From: sukla.sen@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:11:01 +0530
> Subject: [india-unity] "Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic
> Conflict is Disservice to the Nation"
> *Bringing Bangladeshi Angle to Assamese Ethnic Conflict is*
> *Disservice to the Nation*
> V.K. Tripathi, IIT Delhi
> The ethnic violence between Bodos and Muslims in Bodo
> territorial region of Assam is a national calamity. It has taken a toll of
> 65 innocent lives (besides the scores of people missing) and rendered 4
> lakh homeless. *The first priority of sane polity and responsible
> government is to restore the trust between the warring groups, Bodos and
> Muslims, without the slightest of ill will against any of the communities
> and isolate miscreants from the masses.* Muslims are poorer, have lost
> more lives and fled in larger numbers (up to 80%) but Bodos are no economic
> elite. The creation of Bodo Territorial Council (covering 4 districts –
> Kokrajhar, Chirang, Baxa and Udalguri) by the Center in 2003, has given a
> section of them an upper hand but masses of both the communities are in
> hardships.
> I spent three days (August 3 to 5) in the area, visited relief
> camps – 2 Bodo camps in Kokrajhar (with 560 and 1500 people) , 1 Muslim
> camp in Kashipara (960 people), 1 Muslim camp in Dhubri (360 people) and 3
> Muslim camps in Bilasipara (2000, 2500 and 3500 people), visited a Muslim
> village Bhadyagudi, a mixed Bodo-Muslim village Bhatipara and met a
> cross-section of people. I also met Deputy Commissioner (DC) of Kokrajhar
> Mr. Jayant Narlikar, DC of Dhubri Mr. Kumud Kalita and Principal, Vice
> Principal and Librarian of Bhola Nath College, Dhubri.
> *I saw no trace of Bagladeshi offensive in the conflict, so
> systematically and vigorously orchestrated by BJP and VHP, led by L.K.
> Advani, Tarun Vijay and Praveen Togadia.* They are playing with the lives
> of people and poisoning atmosphere for future. Bangladeshi is more of an
> abuse to humiliate Muslims who are native Indians. There may be a few
> percent Bangladeshis (as a Rajvanshi ex-serviceman in rural Kokrajhar put
> it at 10%), but even these, in all likelihood are labourers and labourers
> are no exploiters but an exploited lot. They need to be treated with
> dignity. All countries have legal and illegal migrants. USA has a very
> significant percentage of illegal Mexicans. But who engages them and
> benefits from their hard work?"- the business class, for cheap labour. USA
> is immensely more powerful than us but it could not force the Mexicans out.
> India has limited resources and can't afford to sustain work force from
> neighbouring countries, hence legal ways, commensurate with workers'
> dignity, must be employed to identify and deport them and to stop their
> migration (if at all there is any loop hole). As far as the language of
> Muslims in the area is concerned, there is strong historical reason for
> it. Kokrajhar district borders with West Bengal and Dhubri with
> Bangladesh. 100-150 years ago British tea planters brought labourers from
> Bengal where Muslims were a predominant landless work force. Thus they
> speak Bengali. One more observation. In 1971 India welcomed lakhs of
> Hindu-Muslim refugees as a part of strategy on Bangladesh. Many of them
> overstayed.
> The current conflict developed as a chain event. Miscreants
> killed two Muslims on July 6. On July 19, a prominent Muslim suffered
> bullet injuries and a mob killed 4 Bodos, Subsequently sporadic killings of
> Muslims and display of fire power by Bodo elements, created a frightening
> atmosphere, forcing people to flee their homes. In Muslim dominated areas
> Bodos were made to flee. Once people fled, many of their homes were looted
> and put on fire. Most camps, having over 2.5 lakh Muslim refugees, are
> located in Dhubri district. This district with 80% Muslim population
> suffered no loss of life Bodos from six villages had to flee to Kokrajhar.
> Bodo insurgents have carried a long drawn violent struggle for
> separate Bodoland. In 2003 Center created BTAD (Bodoland Territorial
> Autonomous Districts) giving substantial authority to Bodos (about 35 seats
> in the 40 member BTC Council). This created a wedge between them and other
> communities (Muslims, Santhals and Rajvanshis) who have a much larger share
> in population. Many insurgent groups surrendered their arms but some still
> have them*. Disarming them is a major responsibility of the state.*
> All relief camps are facing severe hardships. The Muslim camps
> look even more dejected and worried, besides being poorer. On August 5 as
> I was sitting with people in a camp in Bilasipara when Roja Aftar time
> arrived, I noted that they had only one bucket of dates and biscuit packets
> for aftaar for 2000 people. On behalf of Sadbhav Mission I offered them
> 1000 rupees to purchase additional dates. Same was the scene in another
> camp. At night often there is load shedding for several hours and these
> camps plunge into darkness besides exposing them to mosquito bite. People
> cook their own food from the ration (rice, pulses and oil) provided by the
> government and vegetables provided by local support or NGOs. In most places
> people of all the communities are coming forward to extend support. Despite
> heavy odds people are at peace. I wish they had a creative engagement. They
> could be given some training or exposure in relevant trades. Students can
> be given tutorial sessions, game sessions or could go for jogging.
> Mine was a short visit that began with my arrival in Guwahati
> at 7 AM. From the airport I took bus to train station. At 9:45 I took North
> East Express and got down at Kokrajhar at 1:20 PM. I walked through the
> city and then took a tempo to Kashipara (8 km away). I visited a Muslim
> camp and walked 3 km to visit two villages. At 8 PM I met the DC. By that
> time curfew had started hence I stayed in the circuit house in a awesome
> room for Rs. 130. Next morning (August 4) at 7 AM, I walked to Bodo camp
> Swrang M.E. High School. People were nice. Some got annoyed when I
> mentioned Nellie massacre. From there I took tempo, minibus and bus to
> reach Dhubri by 12 noon. I walked to a relief camp and talked to people for
> one hour. This interaction was heartening. From there I went to Bholanath
> college. At 3:15 PM I met the DC and then left for Bilasipara. During 5 to
> 8:15 PM I visited 3 camps. Then took shelter in ABI hotel (for Rs. 250). It
> gave me the feeling of hardships faced by camp people as there was no light
> and mosquitoes were in abundance.
> At 6 AM on August 5 I left for Kashipara and from there to
> Kokrajhar. I visted the Commerce College Bodo camp. People treated me with
> warmth and showed appreciation for peace efforts. At 12 noon I took Kamrup
> express to Guwahati. After reaching there I called some friends and left
> for the airport en route to Delhi.
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *vipin tripathi* <
> tripathivipin@yahoo.co.in<https://mail.google.com/mail/h/1kc9hacc48la7/?&v=b&cs=wh&to=tripathivipin%40yahoo.co.in>
> > Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:17 AM
> -- Peace Is Doable
>
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